On Fri, Feb 22, 2013 at 7:49 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote:
> Not really, there are many alternatives. One of them is a NomCom which
> works... how? no idea.
So, a one time committee from 2008 made up of largely the same individuals
as the ones who will decide now, in a closed process? Sure, th
Theo10011, 22/02/2013 23:39:
There is no guaranty that a third party understands or shares the values
of the community; there is no guaranty that giving it influence over the
candidatures for five seats will serve the cause of the community. That's a
risk. I'm not to say if it should be taken or
Hi Cyrano
I generally agreed with your underlying sentiment in the earlier email. I
do believe the board or any internal power structure of an organization,
has a self-perpetuating nature that preserves itself from outside
influence, and at times re-affirms its own direction. But what I do
disagre
On 22 February 2013 17:42, cyrano wrote:
> Le 18/02/2013 20:35, Nathan a écrit :
>
>> Cyrano - I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature
>> of the Board. It is self-perpetuating in every respect; the elections
>> are advisory only, and the actual appointment of Board members is
Le 18/02/2013 20:35, Nathan a écrit :
Cyrano - I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature
of the Board. It is self-perpetuating in every respect; the elections
are advisory only, and the actual appointment of Board members is
executed by the existing Board. The organization has
Le 2013-02-18 00:09, Federico Leva (Nemo) a écrit :
There's only a passage about «willingness to
learn from and engage with the community» which despite the word
"engage" is made into a passive light by «deeply understand their
interests and concerns».
This is not what we need from a trustee, in
Hey
I think that chapters represent a different part of the movement, and that
their input in board composition results in different candidates than we would
possibly elect :) At the same time the increased scope of affcom also gives us
the option of increasing the scope of these two selected s
Snipping a bunch for simplicities sake
On Mon, Feb 18, 2013 at 11:14 PM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <
jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> I simply don't agree.
> a) Chapters are part of the community
> b) Whenever a vote comes up for an appointed seat that seat obviously does
> not vote, therefore the (s)
AHHH!
Oh wow, thats pretty bad.
Funny thing is: I really don't have the board manual url bookmarked (terrible
of me) and i googled "BOARD MANUAL WIKIMEDIA"… and you will never guess what
the first result was…. the Wikimedia one doesnt really show up until the 6th
result :( sorry about that..
Hey
(have cut some items to focus on main points)
On Feb 18, 2013, at 11:22 PM, cyrano wrote:
>
>> if there is a divergence you can (s)elect different people for those five
>> seats. The appointed seats are intended to help add specific
>> skills/expertise to the board to make sure that it c
The link you provided said "Wikipedia board manual", Jan-Bart. The correct
link is: <
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_board_manual#Roles_and_responsibilities
>
Risker/Anne
On 19 February 2013 01:52, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
> Hey Nemo,
>
> I seriously have no idea what yo
Hey Nemo,
I seriously have no idea what you are talking about. I looked at the talk page
and could not find a hint. In what way is the board manual a highly misleading
link?
Jan-Bart
On Feb 18, 2013, at 9:41 PM, "Federico Leva (Nemo)" wrote:
> Jan-Bart de Vreede, 18/02/2013 21:09:
>> I, and
Cyrano - I think you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the nature
of the Board. It is self-perpetuating in every respect; the elections
are advisory only, and the actual appointment of Board members is
executed by the existing Board. The organization has no members, and
no one who is not on th
Le 18/02/2013 17:09, Jan-Bart de Vreede a écrit :
Hi
On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:52 PM, cyrano wrote:
To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the determination
of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people within the Board
Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself
If I were making the decision, I would want to know how well someone
would be able to research and articulate a response on these issues
even without a substantial amount of background knowledge. So I'm not
suggesting the questions are appropriate for anything other than
written answers, but they'r
Jan-Bart de Vreede, 18/02/2013 21:09:
I, and most of the non-profit world (not to mention the law ;) respectfully
disagree and would argue that the main function of any board of trustees is
more governance related. For a good summary of what our Board of Trustees'
function is I would refer yo
cyrano, 18/02/2013 20:52:
To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the
determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people
within the Board Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself). Otherwise,
it would boil down to a disguised form of cooptation.
The bo
Hi
On Feb 18, 2013, at 8:52 PM, cyrano wrote:
> To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the
> determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people
> within the Board Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself). Otherwise, it
> would boil down to a disgui
To ensure a representation of the interests of the community, the
determination of a new Board Trustee cannot be influenced by the people
within the Board Trustee (and even less by the WMF itself). Otherwise,
it would boil down to a disguised form of cooptation.
Cooptation is a way to absorb ne
yes:
this bit:
"
I don't think it's about childish beliefs about "evil". Money has a real
influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any stage
allow abuses. It has been shown countless times in countless situations,
empirically and scientifically, that people in power W
Jan-Bart,
can you be more specific?
Cheers
Le 18/02/2013 10:55, Jan-Bart de Vreede a écrit :
Hey
I seriously can't follow this, could you explain?
Jan-Bart
On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:11 PM, cyrano wrote:
I don't think it's about childish beliefs about "evil". Money has a real
influence, con
Hey
I seriously can't follow this, could you explain?
Jan-Bart
On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:11 PM, cyrano wrote:
> I don't think it's about childish beliefs about "evil". Money has a real
> influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any stage
> allow abuses. It has been show
Hey
And I was not responding specifically to you, no worries!
Jan-Bart
On Feb 18, 2013, at 2:01 PM, Everton Zanella Alvarenga
wrote:
> Hi,
>
> sure I didn't mean every external consultancy is evil. Sorry if I
> sounded like that. Firstly, the world is not divided between good and
> evil, li
I would like to promote the idea that this person should be a supporter
of counties/language that is less fortunate then most of us, ie where
free expression of speech is in threat and where we now see an
unfortunate trend to limit the free Internet access.
I have spoken with colleagues from R
I quite like questions 2, 6, 9 and 10 - the answers to those should
help to show how well applicants understand our culture and what new
insights they can bring to the table. The others are either too
obscure for most applicants to be able to give an informed answer or
aren't really things the boar
I don't think it's about childish beliefs about "evil". Money has a real
influence, conflicts of interests are a real thing, and opacity at any
stage allow abuses. It has been shown countless times in countless
situations, empirically and scientifically, that people in power WILL
use it to keep
Hi,
sure I didn't mean every external consultancy is evil. Sorry if I
sounded like that. Firstly, the world is not divided between good and
evil, like if we had an axis of evil. :P
Just as an example, the same company I just criticized had a better
performance in another country. Things can vary
Hi
Sounded like good intervention, thanks for reminding me :)
Truth is of course that board Governance Committee is driving this process
together with Gayle. That means that multiple community (s)elected board
members are involved in the initial screening and that the whole board will be
inclu
Hi all.
I would like to recommend to see the Brazil case where the recruitment
of the coordinator of the Catalyst Project was done in partnership
with the community
http://blog.wikimedia.org/2012/01/11/brazil-recruiting-and-partnership-with-the-community-moves-forward/
After the community notice
On 18 February 2013 08:19, James Salsman wrote:
> I have these ten questions:
This is ridiculously inside-baseball stuff. It strikes me as possibly
a bad idea to turn board selection into something like en:wp RFA.
- d.
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Hey
Thanks!
I am sure that Alice is grateful for the input. I must confess though that I
think that most of these questions require a deep knowledge of the movement and
the community and as such disqualify a lot of potential candidates… (I would
hazard a guess that none of the past appointed
Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote:
>...
> if you have questions that you think we should ask: feel free to suggest them
> here :)
I have these ten questions:
1. What do you think a reasonable goal for the growth of the Wikimedia
Education Program over the next five years is?
2. Do you believe that the F
Samuel Klein, 18/02/2013 01:31:
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:
Indeed there's nothing to be surprised of, m/Oppenheim has always been used.
Actually, the last time we were looking for a new appointed Trustee we
had a NomCom in place and worked with the recruiter E
Hi
I would not think so. In my experience we end up with candidates who appreciate
a confidential process (especially if they get turned down). We have different
processes for each of the three different board member types, this is probably
the most private one. But if you have questions that y
Samuel Klein wrote:
>
>... The person we find this time will also be through our community
> and advisor networks
Will there be an opportunity for the community to pose questions to
finalists, the answers to which the Board might be able to evaluate in
making a final decision?
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For context (because I needed to look it up)..
I believe this vacancy is to replace the seat held by Matt Halprin,
which was not renewed at the end of December 2012.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:CurrentBoardChart
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Board_of_trustees needs an update too
if
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:09 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo)
wrote:
> Indeed there's nothing to be surprised of, m/Oppenheim has always been used.
Actually, the last time we were looking for a new appointed Trustee we
had a NomCom in place and worked with the recruiter Eunice Azzani -
though at the time
On Feb 17, 2013 8:29 PM, "Itzik Edri" wrote:
>
> I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a board
> member? Have we tried before via our networks, chapters, and via our
> advisory board to find such a person (as been done until now?).
The chapters are used to find new fou
Indeed there's nothing to be surprised of, m/Oppenheim has always been used.
Alice Wiegand, 17/02/2013 00:55:
Interested individuals should contact Lisa Grossman li...@moppenheim.com
I didn't understand this line: did you mean individuals interested in
"applying" for the position or in comm
To respond in brief on the m|Oppenheim hire to support us
administratively on this search, board searches are incredibly time
and resource intensive, and need to be handled with a great deal of
sensitivity. We already have a great many interested parties, so the
task needs to include screening hund
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 6:37 PM, Dan Rosenthal wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the WMF has used Oppenheim before for senior
> level hiring (appointed board members and maybe C-suite level staff? I'm
> not sure about that last one, but I'm almost certain I recall the WMF has
> used Oppenheim
On 17 February 2013 21:37, Dan Rosenthal wrote:
> Correct me if I'm wrong, but the WMF has used Oppenheim before for senior
> level hiring (appointed board members and maybe C-suite level staff? I'm
> not sure about that last one, but I'm almost certain I recall the WMF has
> used Oppenheim for e
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the WMF has used Oppenheim before for senior
level hiring (appointed board members and maybe C-suite level staff? I'm
not sure about that last one, but I'm almost certain I recall the WMF has
used Oppenheim for executive searches before.) My understanding is that the
va
my first thought when i read this was "should i use my free time to
edit wikipedia so that somebody donates money to wmf, and they use it
to pay oppenheim?"
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Itzik Edri wrote:
> I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a board
> member? Hav
I don't understand. The board hired and pays to a company to find a board
member? Have we tried before via our networks, chapters, and via our
advisory board to find such a person (as been done until now?).
On Sun, Feb 17, 2013 at 1:55 AM, Alice Wiegand wrote:
> Hi everyone,
>
> as you know, we h
Hi everyone,
as you know, we have one vacant appointed seat on the Board of Trustees. We
have asked m/Oppenheim Associates to assist us in finding a new board
member and and we are reaching out to the community for suggestions and
nominations.
The Board functions as a governance body that is ulti
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