Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Steven Walling
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 7:00 AM Andreas Kolbe jayen...@gmail.com wrote: Steven Walling has written an interesting answer on Quora about one aspect of the New York Times op-ed, i.e. the threat NSA surveillance supposedly poses to Wikipedians living under oppressive regimes:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
I'm generally supportive of this legal action, but I am troubled by this statement: I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In general I think highly of Michelle, but this statement fits a long-running pattern I percieve in WMF governance of the board

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread James Alexander
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:04 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm generally supportive of this legal action, but I am troubled by this statement: I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In general I think highly of Michelle, but this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
Oliver, I have thought about running more than once (: Perhaps I am reading more into that comment than was intended. James, I have mixed feelings about having discussions behind closed doors. Sometimes it's convenient or emotionally easier to do so, but I worry about losing our value of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Samuel Klein
Keegan: thank you, great news.SJ On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, Single-user login[1] finalization will be taking place next month.[2] I know this has been said before over the past two years, but it is actually going to take

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
Excellent, thank you Keegan and all who have worked on this. Pine On Mar 13, 2015 1:07 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi all, Single-user login[1] finalization will be taking place next month.[2] I know this has been said before over the past two years, but it is

[Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
Hi all, Single-user login[1] finalization will be taking place next month.[2] I know this has been said before over the past two years, but it is actually going to take place after nearly a decade of waiting :) I just posted an important announcement about the renaming process itself on Meta.[3]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
(Personal capacity) Pine: I think you're reading far more into Phoebe's comment than it actually contained. What she said was I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. In other words, to make evaluations about the probability of success, the necessity of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
Pardon the mobile device mistype. A *move* toward more openness. Pine On Mar 13, 2015 12:49 PM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: Oliver, I have thought about running more than once (: Perhaps I am reading more into that comment than was intended. James, I have mixed feelings about

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:16 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks very much for keeping us up to date, Keegan. When I look at the Special:UsersWhoWillBeRenamed on enwiki, I note a large number of accounts whose registration date is listed as today, even though I realise that's not

Re: [Wikimedia-l] SUL finalization update (no, for real this time)

2015-03-13 Thread Keegan Peterzell
On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:07 PM, Keegan Peterzell kpeterz...@wikimedia.org wrote: 5. for example, https://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikos:UsersWhoWillBeRenamedHmm That should be https://vo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patikos:UsersWhoWillBeRenamed It does make you go hmm though. -- Keegan Peterzell

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Cristian Consonni
2015-03-13 10:36 GMT+01:00 Edward Saperia edsape...@gmail.com: Education is apolitical. I beg to differ. Me too. «Growing up, you know, I slowly had this process realizing that all the things around me that people had told me were just the natural way of things were, or the way things would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread David Gerard
On 13 March 2015 at 19:04, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: In general I think highly of Michelle, but this statement fits a long-running pattern I percieve in WMF governance of the board being deferential to the ED and staff. This goes back to Sue's tenure and possibly longer. I feel that

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Bishakha Datta
On Sat, Mar 14, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Pine W wiki.p...@gmail.com wrote: I'm generally supportive of this legal action, but I am troubled by this statement: I trust our legal team to make decisions about what legal actions to participate in. ...WMF needs an activist board. All of the guidance

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Pine W
Hmm. It's more like we have little evidence that the former is happening, perhaps because of the latter. Anyway, yes, I think I've made my point and will let this thread get back on its main track. Pine On Mar 13, 2015 5:43 PM, Oliver Keyes ironho...@gmail.com wrote: So we've now moved from the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Oliver Keyes
So we've now moved from the board doesn't ask hard enough questions! to the board doesn't tell us enough? Those are distinct concerns. If you have them, I'd suggest spinning off a thread so we can keep this one to what it's meant to be discussing. On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 3:51 PM, Pine W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Strainu
2015-03-12 20:50 GMT+02:00 Fæ fae...@gmail.com: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:BLP_overwrites A quick reminder about this report which helps vandalism patrollers for the English Wikipedia spot when images used in Wikipedia biographies are being overwritten by newbie accounts. I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 March 2015 at 09:06, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Fae, you are aware that this is NOT the list for en.wp, right? Perhaps you missed the part of Fae's email which read: If there are other Wikipedias that may benefit from a similar report, please drop me a note on Commons or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:BLP_overwrites It was chance that the English Wikipedia was the first noticeable target of a revenge porn attack. The serious concern about potential public impact started me looking at how to build a report to help address the problem of image overwrites

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Edward Saperia
Education is apolitical. I beg to differ. Saying that Wikipedia is apolitical is like saying democracy is apolitical. Control of information is at the heart of politics, and the knowledge that people have access to profoundly changes the way that they interact with society over their

[Wikimedia-l] Understanding and building digital democracy

2015-03-13 Thread Stevie Benton
Hello everyone, Apologies for cross posting. Wikimedia UK, along with the Open Coalition http://open-coalition.org/ and Demos http://www.demos.co.uk/, are developing a project called From ticks to clicks - understanding and building digital democracy. We have just made a proposal

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Strainu
I think we can agree to disagree - I don't want to clutter other people's inboxes even more. Still, I'll hold you to this PoV next time I'll feel the need to constantly remember other people about my initiatives. Best regards, Strainu 2015-03-13 15:30 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Kim Bruning
I think that making us not-a-source-of-referred-traffic might be a good thing. (It disincentivises those who should be disincentivised, while not harming anyone else) sincerely, Kim Bruning On Tue, Mar 10, 2015 at 09:21:57AM -0700, Pete Forsyth wrote: There's a relevant research

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Strainu
2015-03-13 11:56 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: On 13 March 2015 at 09:06, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: Fae, you are aware that this is NOT the list for en.wp, right? Perhaps you missed the part of Fae's email which read: I did not. The place for such announcements

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Steven Walling has written an interesting answer on Quora about one aspect of the New York Times op-ed, i.e. the threat NSA surveillance supposedly poses to Wikipedians living under oppressive regimes:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 March 2015 at 11:36, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: I'm sure Fae will appreciate your apology. There is nothing to apologize for. There is a place for such announcements, and wikimedia-l is not that. ORly? From: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l quote

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcement: WMF to file suit against the NSA

2015-03-13 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Wed, Mar 11, 2015 at 5:03 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: How does the Wikimedia Foundation intend to protect the rights of users around the world when it will have a nearly impossible time of protecting Americans, much less non-Americans? U.S. courts and the U.S. Congress have

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 13 March 2015 at 14:32, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: I'll hold you to this PoV next time I'll feel the need to constantly remember other people about my initiatives. constantly? How many times has Fae made such posts in, say, the last three months? -- Andy Mabbett @pigsonthewing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Patrolling photographs of living people

2015-03-13 Thread Thyge
No more, please. If needed, start a thread to discuss the scope of wikimedia-l. Regards, Thyge 2015-03-13 16:57 GMT+01:00 Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk: On 13 March 2015 at 14:32, Strainu strain...@gmail.com wrote: I'll hold you to this PoV next time I'll feel the need to