It's interesting that of all the strategy recommendations, two are so far
being implemented. One is the Universal Code of Conduct, which has at least
had plenty of discussion and publicity, that even precedes the strategy
process. The other is this, which hasn't been particularly prominent
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that
actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code
of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging
anti-educational content, or require projects to take action.
This may surprise some, but
1. Never let a crisis go to waste.
2. Never let a strategy process go to waste.
If you've got something you want that is not necessarily universally loved,
make a plan and cram it into anything that doesn't make it a laughingstock.
Want to loot Constantinople? Make sure you're in the Crusade
Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not defined
by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are
different, and that some people may even be better adapted to
the environment than me. ;)
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ wrote:
> No, we do not call
Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention
the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or
susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain
Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to
I don't feel safe in an environment were racism is being labeled as
Maybe the list moderators should take a look at this thread.
Em ter, 16 de jun de 2020 10:42, Dennis During
> I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can
yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about
enforcing Race as a concept.
The traits you speak of;
> hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain
> diseases are heritable characteristics of certain
Are attributes of DNA and
Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects should reflect the scientific
consensus, whether that be on climate, vaccines, or the concept of
The latter concept is deeply tied to 19th-century pseudoscience, and is
very different from modern genetic science. Genetic traits have various
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I write to you in my volunteer capacity of list-admin, to inform you that
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Comments on the thread titled
I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be
bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so painted.
Does the Code of Conduct cover that?
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ wrote:
> It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans,
whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to point
out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a
Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should not be
What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote
biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour.
Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism.
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad wrote:
> Feel free to explain how the appearance of race
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their
appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s.
Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending
"scientific racism" on this public list?
On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad wrote:
So you don't believe that skin color, susceptibility to disease etc are
heritable? Have you heard of DNA?
I had sincerely hoped that the equivalent of yahooist book-burning wouldn't
take over Wikimedia. It's not just disappointing; it's scary.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:49 AM Chico Venancio
This conversation has very quickly veered away from the original topic and
what the scope of this list is.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM Gnangarra wrote:
> yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about
> enforcing Race as a concept.
> The traits you speak of;
I think that saying this happened because of the recommendations remains a
fair statement but for sure there are some caveats with that. I don’t want
to speak for the entire org but I'm also pretty confident in saying that
there are a lot more than just two recommendations with work
This is an update on the Wikimedia Clinics pilot:
On June 15th we hosted the first Wikimedia Clinic call. It was well
attended (~25 volunteers, not counting WMF staff), with a good mix of
experience levels and countries of origin. As promised, we publish a
*digest* of the
Thank you, Asaf.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:03 AM Asaf Bartov wrote:
> Dear Wikimedia-l subscribers.
> I write to you in my volunteer capacity of list-admin, to inform you that
> the entire Wikimedia-l mailing list is now under moderation, meaning all
> posts will have to be manually reviewed
A well-provisioned bulk api has been missing for some time. Thanks for
working on this. And clearing up the recommended way for WP content to
appear and be linked in third-party searches and infoboxes is important --
the sort of thing that an internal policy (and way to subscribe to feeds)
Reminder that this is happening tomorrow!
On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Janna Layton wrote:
> Hi all,
> The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed on Wednesday, June 17, at
> 9:30 AM PDT/16:30 UTC.
> In the era of 'information explosion,' we strive to stay informed and
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