Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Risker]

You're correct Srikanth; I'd like to think that VisualEditor will be the
"entry" editing interface of the future, but it's still not stable enough
and is missing too many features to be ideal for new editors.  It is,
however, getting better every time I use it, so it is inching closer
incrementally.  Today I successfully completed an edit using VE that I know
for a fact would have broken the page back in July, so progress is being
made.  When I worked with a group of new editors back in August, they
universally reverted to using Wikitext because it had easy-to-use
referencing and editing tools, only some of which are now incorporated into
VE, but I have faith that these will be folded in as time goes on.

It should be noted, however, that almost every single "bug" reported in
relation to VE occurred with experienced editors who had the skill to
report it, or to at least figure out how to "undo" the edit.  Those that
occurred with new editors were not reported unless an experienced editor
reviewed it and then tried to replicate it and figure out what went wrong.
It was this situation that led to showdowns on the English Wikipedia, more
so than just about anything else.  Well, that, and making it the production
editing interface without even testing major features.

I cannot speak to the experience on projects outside of English Wikipedia,
but I dearly hope that things are going more smoothly on other projects
that have not decided to remove themselves from participation in the
testing.

Risker




On 16 October 2013 01:08, Srikanth Ramakrishnan wrote:

> Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's
> permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a
> deserted ground?
>
> Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have
> noticed.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Chris Keating
> wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> > srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
> >
> > > That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
> > > editing articles right away.
> > >
> > >
> > Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster!
> >
> > 
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Chris, as Ziko put it. Would you like a novice driver with a Learner's
permit to drive on a Crowded street or a High speed expressway or in a
deserted ground?

Visual Editor for newbies has caused a lot of pages to 'break' as I have
noticed.



On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 1:27 AM, Chris Keating
wrote:

> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
> srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
> > That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
> > editing articles right away.
> >
> >
> Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster!
>
> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Letters of Intent for FDC Round 2 due Nov 8, and community review right now!

[Anasuya Sengupta]

Hi Lodewijk,

Thanks for asking. The FDC and WMF are currently in conversation about
exactly what this looks like - so stay tuned for the details :-) - but yes,
in principle, WMF will be submitting its proposal to the FDC in Round 2 of
the process (for the annual plan 2014-15).

Anasuya


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:23 PM, Lodewijk wrote:

> Thanks for the update!
>
> Just to be clear - after ducking the FDC process for 2013/2014, this will
> be the round where the WMF will apply for funding of what it considers
> 'non-core' programs, correct? (There was some confusion over that in the
> round earlier this year, so trying to make sure I'm still up to date on the
> latest state of affairs)
>
> Thanks,
> Lodewijk
>
>
> 2013/10/15 Katy Love 
>
> > Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
> >
> > I write to remind Wikimedia-affiliated entities interested in
> > submitting an annual plan grant proposal to the Funds Dissemination
> > Committee (FDC) in Round 2 2013-2014 that they must first submit a
> > Letter of Intent (LOI). The Letter of Intent is the first step in
> > applying for funds from the FDC, as outlined in the FDC Framework. [1]
> > This step has been implemented as part of the improvements for
> > 2013-2014. In Round 1 of this year, it helped the FDC staff to work
> > closely with interested applicants ahead of eligibility and proposal
> > deadlines.
> >
> > Entities interested in applying for funding in Round 2 must submit an
> > Letter of Intent before submitting a proposal. For Round 2 of
> > 2013-2014, the LOI is due on November 8. The LOI asks potential FDC
> > applicants to state their intentions to apply and to include a
> > notional dollar figure (or local currency figure). The LOI can be
> > created on the FDC portal [2], and a sample is here for your
> > reference. [3] The LOI is non-binding, but it is required.
> >
> > Milestones from Round 2 can be found on the portal [4] and below:
> >
> > * Letter of Intent deadline: 8 November 2013
> > * Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013
> > * Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February
> 2014
> > * Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014
> > * Community review period: 1 March 2014 - 31 March 2014
> > * Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014
> > * FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014
> > * Board decision due: 1 June 2014
> >
> > Also, I want to bring to your attention the current Round 1 community
> > review process for the eleven Round 1 proposals just submitted to the
> > FDC. We ask you, members of the community, to share your thoughts and
> > questions on the Discussion pages of the submitted proposals!  [5]
> >
> > Have any questions or comments? Reach out to us at:
> > fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org. The FDC staff is here to help you understand
> > and navigate the process!
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Katy Love and the FDC support team
> >
> > [1]
> >
> >
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal#fdc-portal-start
> > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent
> > [4]
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Timeline#2013-2014_Round_2
> > [5]
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Letters of Intent for FDC Round 2 due Nov 8, and community review right now!

[Lodewijk]

Thanks for the update!

Just to be clear - after ducking the FDC process for 2013/2014, this will
be the round where the WMF will apply for funding of what it considers
'non-core' programs, correct? (There was some confusion over that in the
round earlier this year, so trying to make sure I'm still up to date on the
latest state of affairs)

Thanks,
Lodewijk


2013/10/15 Katy Love 

> Dear members of the Wikimedia community,
>
> I write to remind Wikimedia-affiliated entities interested in
> submitting an annual plan grant proposal to the Funds Dissemination
> Committee (FDC) in Round 2 2013-2014 that they must first submit a
> Letter of Intent (LOI). The Letter of Intent is the first step in
> applying for funds from the FDC, as outlined in the FDC Framework. [1]
> This step has been implemented as part of the improvements for
> 2013-2014. In Round 1 of this year, it helped the FDC staff to work
> closely with interested applicants ahead of eligibility and proposal
> deadlines.
>
> Entities interested in applying for funding in Round 2 must submit an
> Letter of Intent before submitting a proposal. For Round 2 of
> 2013-2014, the LOI is due on November 8. The LOI asks potential FDC
> applicants to state their intentions to apply and to include a
> notional dollar figure (or local currency figure). The LOI can be
> created on the FDC portal [2], and a sample is here for your
> reference. [3] The LOI is non-binding, but it is required.
>
> Milestones from Round 2 can be found on the portal [4] and below:
>
> * Letter of Intent deadline: 8 November 2013
> * Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013
> * Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February 2014
> * Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014
> * Community review period: 1 March 2014 - 31 March 2014
> * Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014
> * FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014
> * Board decision due: 1 June 2014
>
> Also, I want to bring to your attention the current Round 1 community
> review process for the eleven Round 1 proposals just submitted to the
> FDC. We ask you, members of the community, to share your thoughts and
> questions on the Discussion pages of the submitted proposals!  [5]
>
> Have any questions or comments? Reach out to us at:
> fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org. The FDC staff is here to help you understand
> and navigate the process!
>
> Cheers,
> Katy Love and the FDC support team
>
> [1]
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal#fdc-portal-start
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent
> [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Timeline#2013-2014_Round_2
> [5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/Community/Review
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Letters of Intent for FDC Round 2 due Nov 8, and community review right now!

[Katy Love]

Dear members of the Wikimedia community,

I write to remind Wikimedia-affiliated entities interested in
submitting an annual plan grant proposal to the Funds Dissemination
Committee (FDC) in Round 2 2013-2014 that they must first submit a
Letter of Intent (LOI). The Letter of Intent is the first step in
applying for funds from the FDC, as outlined in the FDC Framework. [1]
This step has been implemented as part of the improvements for
2013-2014. In Round 1 of this year, it helped the FDC staff to work
closely with interested applicants ahead of eligibility and proposal
deadlines.

Entities interested in applying for funding in Round 2 must submit an
Letter of Intent before submitting a proposal. For Round 2 of
2013-2014, the LOI is due on November 8. The LOI asks potential FDC
applicants to state their intentions to apply and to include a
notional dollar figure (or local currency figure). The LOI can be
created on the FDC portal [2], and a sample is here for your
reference. [3] The LOI is non-binding, but it is required.

Milestones from Round 2 can be found on the portal [4] and below:

* Letter of Intent deadline: 8 November 2013
* Deadline for WMF Staff to post eligibility: 15 December 2013
* Deadline for entities to meet eligibility requirements: 15 February 2014
* Proposal submission deadline: 1 March 2014
* Community review period: 1 March 2014 - 31 March 2014
* Staff assessment deadline: 8 April 2014
* FDC recommendation due: 1 May 2014
* Board decision due: 1 June 2014

Also, I want to bring to your attention the current Round 1 community
review process for the eleven Round 1 proposals just submitted to the
FDC. We ask you, members of the community, to share your thoughts and
questions on the Discussion pages of the submitted proposals!  [5]

Have any questions or comments? Reach out to us at:
fdcsupp...@wikimedia.org. The FDC staff is here to help you understand
and navigate the process!

Cheers,
Katy Love and the FDC support team

[1]
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Funds_Dissemination_Committee/Framework_for_the_Creation_and_Initial_Operation_of_the_FDC#Process_overview
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal#fdc-portal-start
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Sample_letter_of_intent
[4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Timeline#2013-2014_Round_2
[5] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/FDC_portal/Proposals/Community/Review

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Chris Keating]

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:42 PM, Srikanth Ramakrishnan <
srik.r...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
> editing articles right away.
>
>
Oh no! People editing articles! What a disaster!



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Ziko van Dijk]

This is very true; there is a gap between what (most) beginners like
to do and what would be wise to do. Some education colleagues told me
that their beginners never wanted to edit elsewhere than on the real
Wikipedia, not on an educational wiki. That beginners what to write
"an article of their own" as the first thing, and are not interested
in free knowledge, free licenses etc.

I compare that to someone who wants to get a drivers license. Riding
on the highway, that's great, but learning for the theoretical exam,
few are eager to. :-)

Kind regards
Ziko




Dr. Ziko van Dijk
voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland

Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
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2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan :
> That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
> editing articles right away.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg
> wrote:
>
>> Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
>>
>> > Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a
>> > tendency of making errors.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified
>> with
>> > > something like:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisualeditor=1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that
>> > > link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea.
>> > >
>> > > *Med vänliga hälsningar,
>> > > Jan Ainali*
>> > >
>> > > Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <
>> > http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
>> > > >
>> > > 0729 - 67 29 48
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin 
>> > >
>> > > > Hear hear.
>> > > >
>> > > > I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't
>> possibly
>> > > win,
>> > > > given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on
>> > > enwiki
>> > > > (see
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354
>> > > > ,
>> > > > for those who aren't aware).  Turn it on, turn it off; either way
>> > someone
>> > > > gets upset.
>> > > >
>> > > > From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on
>> > the
>> > > > new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without
>> > > having
>> > > > to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user
>> preferences
>> > > > page?
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > > > Craig
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell <
>> > > richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk
>> > > > >wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when
>> > training
>> > > > new
>> > > > > editors isn't my preferred method.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Richard
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk 
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Hello,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
>> > > > > > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning
>> of
>> > > the
>> > > > > > session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget
>> > that
>> > > > > > beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the
>> more
>> > > > > > you can reduce, the better.
>> > > > > > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like
>> Wikipedia
>> > > but
>> > > > > > is best suited to use in trainings.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Kind regards
>> > > > > > Ziko
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> 
>> > > > > > Dr. Ziko van Dijk
>> > > > > > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
>> > > > > > Postbus 167
>> > > > > > 3500 AD Utrecht
>> > > > > > http://wikimedia.nl
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> 
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès :
>> > > > > > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out
>> option
>> > > > > > (disable visual editor) :-(
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Charles
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ___
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>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
>> > > > > > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of fre

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[James Forrester]

On 15 October 2013 00:58, Charles Andres wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have
> the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor
> activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
>

​Charles,

​Is this because of the browser they are using, the wiki they are trying to
edit on, or specific to their account? Which wiki are you talking about
this happening on?

There was a configuration that we used in June for just over a week to A/B
test VisualEditor, but that code is no longer around, so this should not be
happening.

However, users of Internet Explorer and some marginal or old browsers
cannot use VisualEditor yet as we have not been able to get it to work
there, which may explain the issue?

Yours,
-- 
James D. Forrester
Product Manager, VisualEditor
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Andrew Gray]

Before Visual Editor was invented, we complained about people starting
editing right away and making mistakes. I'm not sure this is a
completely tool-linked issue ;-)

A.

On 15 October 2013 18:42, Srikanth Ramakrishnan  wrote:
> That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
> editing articles right away.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg
> wrote:
>
>> Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
>>
>> > Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a
>> > tendency of making errors.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali 
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > > From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified
>> with
>> > > something like:
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisualeditor=1
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that
>> > > link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea.
>> > >
>> > > *Med vänliga hälsningar,
>> > > Jan Ainali*
>> > >
>> > > Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <
>> > http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
>> > > >
>> > > 0729 - 67 29 48
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin 
>> > >
>> > > > Hear hear.
>> > > >
>> > > > I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't
>> possibly
>> > > win,
>> > > > given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on
>> > > enwiki
>> > > > (see
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354
>> > > > ,
>> > > > for those who aren't aware).  Turn it on, turn it off; either way
>> > someone
>> > > > gets upset.
>> > > >
>> > > > From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on
>> > the
>> > > > new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without
>> > > having
>> > > > to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user
>> preferences
>> > > > page?
>> > > >
>> > > > Cheers,
>> > > > Craig
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell <
>> > > richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk
>> > > > >wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > > I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when
>> > training
>> > > > new
>> > > > > editors isn't my preferred method.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Richard
>> > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk 
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > > Hello,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
>> > > > > > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning
>> of
>> > > the
>> > > > > > session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget
>> > that
>> > > > > > beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the
>> more
>> > > > > > you can reduce, the better.
>> > > > > > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like
>> Wikipedia
>> > > but
>> > > > > > is best suited to use in trainings.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Kind regards
>> > > > > > Ziko
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> 
>> > > > > > Dr. Ziko van Dijk
>> > > > > > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
>> > > > > > Postbus 167
>> > > > > > 3500 AD Utrecht
>> > > > > > http://wikimedia.nl
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > >
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>> 
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès :
>> > > > > > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out
>> option
>> > > > > > (disable visual editor) :-(
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Charles
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > ___
>> > > > > > > I use this email for mailing list only.
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
>> > > > > > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free
>> > knowledge
>> > > –
>> > > > > > > www.wikimedia.ch
>> > > > > > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
>> > > > > > > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador <
>> > kwadzo...@gmail.com>
>> > > a
>> > > > > > écrit :
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > >> Hello Charles,
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration
>> > > > process.
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
>> > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
>> > > > > > >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box
>> > be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

That would be a great idea; but nobody seems to bother. They just start
editing articles right away.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:05 PM, Sophie Osterberg
wrote:

> Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE?
>
>
>
>
> 2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan 
>
> > Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a
> > tendency of making errors.
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified
> with
> > > something like:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisualeditor=1
> > >
> > >
> > > which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that
> > > link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea.
> > >
> > > *Med vänliga hälsningar,
> > > Jan Ainali*
> > >
> > > Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <
> > http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
> > > >
> > > 0729 - 67 29 48
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin 
> > >
> > > > Hear hear.
> > > >
> > > > I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't
> possibly
> > > win,
> > > > given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on
> > > enwiki
> > > > (see
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354
> > > > ,
> > > > for those who aren't aware).  Turn it on, turn it off; either way
> > someone
> > > > gets upset.
> > > >
> > > > From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on
> > the
> > > > new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without
> > > having
> > > > to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user
> preferences
> > > > page?
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Craig
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell <
> > > richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk
> > > > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when
> > training
> > > > new
> > > > > editors isn't my preferred method.
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk 
> > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hello,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
> > > > > > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget
> > that
> > > > > > beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the
> more
> > > > > > you can reduce, the better.
> > > > > > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like
> Wikipedia
> > > but
> > > > > > is best suited to use in trainings.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Kind regards
> > > > > > Ziko
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> > > > > > Dr. Ziko van Dijk
> > > > > > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
> > > > > > Postbus 167
> > > > > > 3500 AD Utrecht
> > > > > > http://wikimedia.nl
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès :
> > > > > > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out
> option
> > > > > > (disable visual editor) :-(
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charles
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ___
> > > > > > > I use this email for mailing list only.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > > > > > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free
> > knowledge
> > > –
> > > > > > > www.wikimedia.ch
> > > > > > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > > > > > > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador <
> > kwadzo...@gmail.com>
> > > a
> > > > > > écrit :
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >> Hello Charles,
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration
> > > > process.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
> > > > > > >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box
> > beside
> > > > > > Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> OR
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Follow this link
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
> > > > > > >> Then repeat step 2 above.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Hope it helps.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> Thanks.
> > > > > > >>
> 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Michelle Paulson]

Hi Nathan,

My apologies for the delay.  We will begin responding asap.

-Michelle


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 9:33 AM, Nathan  wrote:

> This is directed at the Wikimedia legal team, whom I have cc'd: Even
> though the pace of contributions to the discussion page of the policy
> has picked up in the last couple of days, no one from the legal team
> has commented in about a month. I think it would help the discussion
> if the legal team would engage while members of the community are also
> engaged, so that it is truly a discussion and not people talking past
> each other at different moments in time.
>
> Nathan
>



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Nathan]

This is directed at the Wikimedia legal team, whom I have cc'd: Even
though the pace of contributions to the discussion page of the policy
has picked up in the last couple of days, no one from the legal team
has commented in about a month. I think it would help the discussion
if the legal team would engage while members of the community are also
engaged, so that it is truly a discussion and not people talking past
each other at different moments in time.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Sophie Osterberg]

Srikanth, why don't you let them use their sandbox then to learn VE?




2013/10/15 Srikanth Ramakrishnan 

> Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a
> tendency of making errors.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali 
> wrote:
>
> > From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with
> > something like:
> >
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisualeditor=1
> >
> >
> > which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that
> > link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea.
> >
> > *Med vänliga hälsningar,
> > Jan Ainali*
> >
> > Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige <
> http://se.wikimedia.org/wiki/Huvudsida
> > >
> > 0729 - 67 29 48
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin 
> >
> > > Hear hear.
> > >
> > > I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly
> > win,
> > > given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on
> > enwiki
> > > (see
> > >
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354
> > > ,
> > > for those who aren't aware).  Turn it on, turn it off; either way
> someone
> > > gets upset.
> > >
> > > From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on
> the
> > > new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without
> > having
> > > to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences
> > > page?
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Craig
> > >
> > >
> > > On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell <
> > richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk
> > > >wrote:
> > >
> > > > I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when
> training
> > > new
> > > > editors isn't my preferred method.
> > > >
> > > > Richard
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk 
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hello,
> > > > >
> > > > > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
> > > > > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of
> > the
> > > > > session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget
> that
> > > > > beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more
> > > > > you can reduce, the better.
> > > > > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia
> > but
> > > > > is best suited to use in trainings.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kind regards
> > > > > Ziko
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> > > > > Dr. Ziko van Dijk
> > > > > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
> > > > >
> > > > > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
> > > > > Postbus 167
> > > > > 3500 AD Utrecht
> > > > > http://wikimedia.nl
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès :
> > > > > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option
> > > > > (disable visual editor) :-(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charles
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ___
> > > > > > I use this email for mailing list only.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > > > > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free
> knowledge
> > –
> > > > > > www.wikimedia.ch
> > > > > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > > > > > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador <
> kwadzo...@gmail.com>
> > a
> > > > > écrit :
> > > > > >
> > > > > >> Hello Charles,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration
> > > process.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
> > > > > >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box
> beside
> > > > > Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> OR
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Follow this link
> > > > >
> > >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
> > > > > >> Then repeat step 2 above.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Hope it helps.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Thanks.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> Regards,
> > > > > >> Enock S. Nyamador.
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> ---
> > > > > >> Writer | Wikimedian
> > > > > >> Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog
> > > > > >> C: +233 (0)27 565 7589
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres <
> > > > > charles.andres.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >> Dear all,
> > > > > >>
> > > > > >> In our new education program with youngs in scholar
> difficulties,
> > we
> > > > > have the problem that only 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Srikanth Ramakrishnan]

Honestly speaking I'd disable Visual Editor for new users. They have a
tendency of making errors.



On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 5:41 PM, Jan Ainali  wrote:

> From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with
> something like:
>
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisualeditor=1
>
>
> which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that
> link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea.
>
> *Med vänliga hälsningar,
> Jan Ainali*
>
> Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige  >
> 0729 - 67 29 48
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 2013/10/15 Craig Franklin 
>
> > Hear hear.
> >
> > I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly
> win,
> > given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on
> enwiki
> > (see
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354
> > ,
> > for those who aren't aware).  Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone
> > gets upset.
> >
> > From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the
> > new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without
> having
> > to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences
> > page?
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Craig
> >
> >
> > On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell <
> richard.nev...@wikimedia.org.uk
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training
> > new
> > > editors isn't my preferred method.
> > >
> > > Richard
> > >
> > >
> > > On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk 
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello,
> > > >
> > > > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
> > > > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of
> the
> > > > session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that
> > > > beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more
> > > > you can reduce, the better.
> > > > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia
> but
> > > > is best suited to use in trainings.
> > > >
> > > > Kind regards
> > > > Ziko
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> > > > Dr. Ziko van Dijk
> > > > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
> > > >
> > > > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
> > > > Postbus 167
> > > > 3500 AD Utrecht
> > > > http://wikimedia.nl
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> 
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès :
> > > > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option
> > > > (disable visual editor) :-(
> > > > >
> > > > > Charles
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ___
> > > > > I use this email for mailing list only.
> > > > >
> > > > > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > > > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge
> –
> > > > > www.wikimedia.ch
> > > > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > > > > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> > > > >
> > > > > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador 
> a
> > > > écrit :
> > > > >
> > > > >> Hello Charles,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration
> > process.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
> > > > >>
> > > > >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
> > > > >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside
> > > > Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> OR
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Follow this link
> > > >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
> > > > >> Then repeat step 2 above.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Hope it helps.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Regards,
> > > > >> Enock S. Nyamador.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ---
> > > > >> Writer | Wikimedian
> > > > >> Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog
> > > > >> C: +233 (0)27 565 7589
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres <
> > > > charles.andres.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >> Dear all,
> > > > >>
> > > > >> In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties,
> we
> > > > have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual
> > > editor
> > > > activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a
> > > > specific user?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Thanks
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Charles
> > > > >>
> > > > >> ___
> > > > >> Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > > > >> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My vision for WMF and the movement

[Arjuna Rao Chavala]

Hi Ting,

On Oct 9, 2013 3:22 PM, "Ting Chen"  wrote:
>
> Hello dear all,
>
> the following was one of t'he documents I created for my ED application.
It took me quite some time to create it and thus it was clear for me at the
beginning that I would publish it at some time point. I struggled a long
time with myself though about when to publish it. I didn't want to publish
it as long as I was an aspirant for the position since this seems to me to
be unfair to the other candidates. And now that I am out of the run I think
it is a good time to do this. Many of you may find your own ideas reflected
in it. I think it is not surprising that ideas doesn't come from nowhere
but from the interaction of people with each other. I want to thank you all
for the thoughts you published here or elsewhere (like on Wikimania or on
meta). I didn't change the wording of the text and I know it is quite
inappropriate for this forum. And as I said before, since I am out of
competition it is quite outdated, what makes it bit of embarrassing. I
appologize for that.

Sorry to hear your update about ED pursuit.

Thanks for sharing your position/vision document.  I feel your ideas will
certainly be used in shaping movement future.

Cheers
Arjuna Rao Chavala
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Jan Ainali]

From Charles original questions I guess that he would be satisified with
something like:

https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserLogin&enablevisualeditor=1


which should enable the Visual Editor for users signing up through that
link. If it is possible or not to do that I have no idea.

*Med vänliga hälsningar,
Jan Ainali*

Verksamhetschef, Wikimedia Sverige 
0729 - 67 29 48






2013/10/15 Craig Franklin 

> Hear hear.
>
> I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win,
> given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki
> (see
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354
> ,
> for those who aren't aware).  Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone
> gets upset.
>
> From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the
> new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having
> to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences
> page?
>
> Cheers,
> Craig
>
>
> On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell  >wrote:
>
> > I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training
> new
> > editors isn't my preferred method.
> >
> > Richard
> >
> >
> > On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
> >
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
> > > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the
> > > session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that
> > > beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more
> > > you can reduce, the better.
> > > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but
> > > is best suited to use in trainings.
> > >
> > > Kind regards
> > > Ziko
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> > > Dr. Ziko van Dijk
> > > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
> > >
> > > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
> > > Postbus 167
> > > 3500 AD Utrecht
> > > http://wikimedia.nl
> > >
> > >
> >
> 
> > >
> > >
> > > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès :
> > > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option
> > > (disable visual editor) :-(
> > > >
> > > > Charles
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ___
> > > > I use this email for mailing list only.
> > > >
> > > > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> > > > www.wikimedia.ch
> > > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > > > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> > > >
> > > > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador  a
> > > écrit :
> > > >
> > > >> Hello Charles,
> > > >>
> > > >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration
> process.
> > > >>
> > > >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
> > > >>
> > > >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
> > > >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside
> > > Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> OR
> > > >>
> > > >> Follow this link
> > >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
> > > >> Then repeat step 2 above.
> > > >>
> > > >> Hope it helps.
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks.
> > > >>
> > > >> Regards,
> > > >> Enock S. Nyamador.
> > > >>
> > > >> ---
> > > >> Writer | Wikimedian
> > > >> Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog
> > > >> C: +233 (0)27 565 7589
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres <
> > > charles.andres.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> Dear all,
> > > >>
> > > >> In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we
> > > have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual
> > editor
> > > activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
> > > >>
> > > >> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a
> > > specific user?
> > > >>
> > > >> Thanks
> > > >>
> > > >> Charles
> > > >>
> > > >> ___
> > > >> Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > > >> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> > > >> www.wikimedia.ch
> > > >> Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > > >> IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> > > >>
> > > >> ___
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> > > >> educat...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
> > > >>
> > > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Craig Franklin]

Hear hear.

I know this is a battle that the Foundation's engineers can't possibly win,
given the circumstances which VE was moved from opt-out to opt-in on enwiki
(see
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)&diff=prev&oldid=574251354,
for those who aren't aware).  Turn it on, turn it off; either way someone
gets upset.

From a pure technical standpoint, is it possible to put a checkbox on the
new user page or something so that new users can turn it on without having
to delve deep into the untamed wilderness that is the user preferences page?

Cheers,
Craig


On 15 October 2013 21:54, Richard Nevell wrote:

> I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new
> editors isn't my preferred method.
>
> Richard
>
>
> On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
> > possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the
> > session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that
> > beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more
> > you can reduce, the better.
> > Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but
> > is best suited to use in trainings.
> >
> > Kind regards
> > Ziko
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> 
> > Dr. Ziko van Dijk
> > voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
> >
> > Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
> > Postbus 167
> > 3500 AD Utrecht
> > http://wikimedia.nl
> >
> >
> 
> >
> >
> > 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès :
> > > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option
> > (disable visual editor) :-(
> > >
> > > Charles
> > >
> > >
> > > ___
> > > I use this email for mailing list only.
> > >
> > > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> > > www.wikimedia.ch
> > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> > >
> > > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador  a
> > écrit :
> > >
> > >> Hello Charles,
> > >>
> > >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process.
> > >>
> > >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
> > >>
> > >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
> > >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside
> > Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> OR
> > >>
> > >> Follow this link
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
> > >> Then repeat step 2 above.
> > >>
> > >> Hope it helps.
> > >>
> > >> Thanks.
> > >>
> > >> Regards,
> > >> Enock S. Nyamador.
> > >>
> > >> ---
> > >> Writer | Wikimedian
> > >> Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog
> > >> C: +233 (0)27 565 7589
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres <
> > charles.andres.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Dear all,
> > >>
> > >> In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we
> > have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual
> editor
> > activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
> > >>
> > >> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a
> > specific user?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >>
> > >> Charles
> > >>
> > >> ___
> > >> Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > >> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> > >> www.wikimedia.ch
> > >> Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > >> IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> > >>
> > >> ___
> > >> Education mailing list
> > >> educat...@lists.wikimedia.org
> > >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
> > >>
> > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Richard Nevell]

I firmly agree with that, taking a detour to preferences when training new
editors isn't my preferred method.

Richard


On 15 October 2013 12:47, Ziko van Dijk  wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
> possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the
> session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that
> beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more
> you can reduce, the better.
> Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but
> is best suited to use in trainings.
>
> Kind regards
> Ziko
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> 
> Dr. Ziko van Dijk
> voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland
>
> Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
> Postbus 167
> 3500 AD Utrecht
> http://wikimedia.nl
>
> 
>
>
> 2013/10/15 Charles Andrès :
> > Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option
> (disable visual editor) :-(
> >
> > Charles
> >
> >
> > ___
> > I use this email for mailing list only.
> >
> > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> > www.wikimedia.ch
> > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> > IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> >
> > Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador  a
> écrit :
> >
> >> Hello Charles,
> >>
> >> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process.
> >>
> >> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
> >>
> >> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
> >> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside
> Enable VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
> >>
> >>
> >> OR
> >>
> >> Follow this link
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
> >> Then repeat step 2 above.
> >>
> >> Hope it helps.
> >>
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Enock S. Nyamador.
> >>
> >> ---
> >> Writer | Wikimedian
> >> Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog
> >> C: +233 (0)27 565 7589
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres <
> charles.andres.w...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear all,
> >>
> >> In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we
> have the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor
> activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
> >>
> >> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a
> specific user?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >> Charles
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> >> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> >> www.wikimedia.ch
> >> Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> >> IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
> >>
> >> ___
> >> Education mailing list
> >> educat...@lists.wikimedia.org
> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
> >>
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Ziko van Dijk]

Hello,

I think that for beginners things must be as simple and clear as
possible. Make them manipulate the preferences at the beginning of the
session is already complicated and a waste of time. Don't forget that
beginners already have to learn so many things quickly, so the more
you can reduce, the better.
Actually I'd prefer to have a model wiki that looks like Wikipedia but
is best suited to use in trainings.

Kind regards
Ziko







Dr. Ziko van Dijk
voorzitter / president Wikimedia Nederland

Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
Postbus 167
3500 AD Utrecht
http://wikimedia.nl



2013/10/15 Charles Andrès :
> Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable 
> visual editor) :-(
>
> Charles
>
>
> ___
> I use this email for mailing list only.
>
> Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> www.wikimedia.ch
> Skype: charles.andres.wmch
> IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
>
> Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador  a écrit :
>
>> Hello Charles,
>>
>> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process.
>>
>> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
>>
>> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab.
>> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable 
>> VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
>>
>>
>> OR
>>
>> Follow this link 
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
>> Then repeat step 2 above.
>>
>> Hope it helps.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Enock S. Nyamador.
>>
>> ---
>> Writer | Wikimedian
>> Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog
>> C: +233 (0)27 565 7589
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres 
>>  wrote:
>> Dear all,
>>
>> In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have 
>> the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor 
>> activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
>>
>> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific 
>> user?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Charles
>>
>> ___
>> Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
>> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
>> www.wikimedia.ch
>> Skype: charles.andres.wmch
>> IRC://irc.freenode.net/wikimedia-ch
>>
>> ___
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>> educat...@lists.wikimedia.org
>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/education
>>
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Education] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Charles Andrès]

Thanks, but in FR.Wikipedia.org you only have the opt-out option (disable 
visual editor) :-(

Charles


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Le 15 oct. 2013 à 10:10, Enock Seth Nyamador  a écrit :

> Hello Charles,
> 
> I don't think there is a way to for this in the registration process.
> 
> To enable or disable Visual Editor. Login
>  
> 1. Go to ---> Preferences --> Click Editing tab. 
> 2. At the bottom of Editing page, Check or uncheck the box beside Enable 
> VisualEditor (only in the main and user namespaces)
> 
> 
> OR 
> 
> Follow this link 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-editing
> Then repeat step 2 above.
> 
> Hope it helps.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> Enock S. Nyamador.
> 
> ---
> Writer | Wikimedian
> Planning Wikimedia Ghana | About.me | Blog
> C: +233 (0)27 565 7589
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:58 AM, Charles Andres 
>  wrote:
> Dear all,
> 
> In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the 
> problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, 
> it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
> 
> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Charles
> 
> ___
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> "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> www.wikimedia.ch
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Keegan Peterzell, 15/10/2013 10:24:

The two are related. Both measures seek transparency, one to the WMF and
one to the community.  The fact that the community side has worked is
interesting when there is pushback to private transparency.


This is an interesting point, thanks for making it. I would never have 
considered the identification via private means something relating to 
"transparency", but it's clear that – as you say – people are more 
likely to accept a transparency which benefits the public.


Nemo

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[K. Peachey]

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 7:22 PM, Jon Davies wrote:

> Thanks, but newbies shouldn't have to do all that - it should sit there as
> an option.


The same can be argued for the many other features that can be found in
your preferences.

No reason to see that as a downside, but a chance to cover that in the
intro training explaining that many features and additional options can be
found under your preferences and for example we will enable Visual Editor.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Jon Davies]

Thanks, but newbies shouldn't have to do all that - it should sit there as
an option.


On 15 October 2013 09:34, K. Peachey  wrote:

> Under Preferences > Editing > "Enable VisualEditor (only in the
> main
>  and user 
>  namespaces)"
>
> will do it iirc.
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Jon Davies  >wrote:
>
> > Yes a problem I have encountered too and very annoying. Newbies really
> > appreciate it.
> > Jon
> >
> >
> > On 15 October 2013 08:58, Charles Andres  > >wrote:
> >
> > > Dear all,
> > >
> > > In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we
> have
> > > the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor
> > > activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
> > >
> > > Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a
> specific
> > > user?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Charles
> > >
> > > ___
> > > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> > > www.wikimedia.ch
> > > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
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> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Tomasz W. Kozlowski]

Keegan Peterzell wrote:

The discussion, as I was clarifying, was about requiring agents that had 
not Identified to do so.  There was no re-identifying require, which is 
th point that I was making.


Oh yes, that's right. Thanks for the clarification, Keegan; I'm sorry 
about the confusion.


The two are related. Both measures seek transparency, one to the WMF and 
one to the community.  The fact that the community side has worked is 
interesting when there is pushback to private transparency. 


The community side, as you call it, has received its share of comments, 
criticism, and suggestions from OTRS volunteers when the issue was 
brought to their (our) attention.


There have been many voices opposing the publication or at least 
concerned about the possible implications of the change, just as there 
are some voices expressing concerns about the apparent lack of details 
and deeper thought behind some parts of the policy.


I don't think this is something new or interesting per se; people 
usually tend to ask tough questions when it comes to their privacy, and 
I can only hope we will be able to work out the details, and that the 
WMF will be able to respond to people's concerns.


  Tomasz

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[K. Peachey]

Under Preferences > Editing > "Enable VisualEditor (only in the
main
 and user 
 namespaces)"

will do it iirc.


On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 6:30 PM, Jon Davies wrote:

> Yes a problem I have encountered too and very annoying. Newbies really
> appreciate it.
> Jon
>
>
> On 15 October 2013 08:58, Charles Andres  >wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have
> > the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor
> > activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
> >
> > Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific
> > user?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Charles
> >
> > ___
> > Charles ANDRES, Chief Science Officer
> > "Wikimedia CH" – Association for the advancement of free knowledge –
> > www.wikimedia.ch
> > Skype: charles.andres.wmch
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Jon Davies]

Yes a problem I have encountered too and very annoying. Newbies really
appreciate it.
Jon


On 15 October 2013 08:58, Charles Andres wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have
> the problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor
> activated, it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.
>
> Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific
> user?
>
> Thanks
>
> Charles
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Keegan Peterzell]

On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 3:14 AM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski  wrote:

> Keegan Peterzell wrote:
>
>  This isn't 100% correct. �The idea was to have agents who had not already
>> identified do so, since OTRS agents have access to a massive amount of
>> non-public information. �For those interested in the result, it was posting
>> a public list of OTRS agent usernames on meta. �There is no current
>> requirement for agents to ID.
>>
>
> Not really. The discussion on the OTRS wiki clearly states that the
> intention was for all OTRS volunteers to "[be] identified just like
> CheckUsers, Oversights, and Stewards" "in accordance with the non-public
> data and privacy policies." which, at that time required people to
> "satisfactorily identify" themselves to the Foundation (and they still do),
> which in effect means that they need to send a copy of their ID to the WMF.


The discussion, as I was clarifying, was about requiring agents that had
not Identified to do so.  There was no re-identifying require, which is th
point that I was making.


>
> The posting of a public list of OTRS agents usernames was result of an
> entirely different discussion, which was only started in January 2013; the
> one I was referring to took place in February 2011 (and later on).


The two are related. Both measures seek transparency, one to the WMF and
one to the community.  The fact that the community side has worked is
interesting when there is pushback to private transparency.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Tomasz W. Kozlowski]

Keegan Peterzell wrote:

This isn't 100% correct. �The idea was to have agents who had not 
already identified do so, since OTRS agents have access to a massive 
amount of non-public information. �For those interested in the result, 
it was posting a public list of OTRS agent usernames on meta. �There is 
no current requirement for agents to ID.


Not really. The discussion on the OTRS wiki clearly states that the 
intention was for all OTRS volunteers to "[be] identified just like 
CheckUsers, Oversights, and Stewards" "in accordance with the non-public 
data and privacy policies." which, at that time required people to 
"satisfactorily identify" themselves to the Foundation (and they still 
do), which in effect means that they need to send a copy of their ID to 
the WMF.


After various concerns raised by OTRS volunteers on the OTRS wiki, at 
least two private OTRS mailing lists, and this very list, the issue was 
frozen after this announcement by Philippe[1].


The posting of a public list of OTRS agents usernames was result of an 
entirely different discussion, which was only started in January 2013; 
the one I was referring to took place in February 2011 (and later on).


And yes, there is currently no requirement for OTRS agents to ID 
themselves to the WMF, but the new draft is, at this point, planning to 
change this.


  Tomasz

== References ==
* [1] 
http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2011-February/063776.html


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[Wikimedia-l] How to force to enable Visual Editor

[Charles Andres]

Dear all,

In our new education program with youngs in scholar difficulties, we have the 
problem that only half of the new accounts have the visual editor activated, 
it's quite annoying to have two teach two way of editing.

Is there a trick to force the activation of Visual Editor for a specific user?

Thanks

Charles

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] New access to non-public information policy, re-ID requirements and data retention

[Keegan Peterzell]

Thanks for the notice about this discussion.  I knew it was to be a part of
the new privacy policy, but I wasn't aware of the talk page.

On Mon, Oct 14, 2013 at 2:11 PM, Tomasz W. Kozlowski  wrote:
>
>
> We already went through a similar discussion two and a half years ago,
> when the WMF planned to make all OTRS agents re-identify to them by sending
> a copy (or a scan) of their ID to a secure e-mail address (or by using
> another option provided).


This isn't 100% correct.  The idea was to have agents who had not already
identified do so, since OTRS agents have access to a massive amount of
non-public information.  For those interested in the result, it was posting
a public list of OTRS agent usernames on meta.  There is no current
requirement for agents to ID.




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