Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia
Hi yana, You are right, there is no hostility in my message. You know that wikimedians are very sensitive to follow existing law (especially copyright), and to provide and ask references all the time :) @labs Could you please provide a reference why labs can be misused? @understanding wikimedians needs Would you mind providing a reference for your wikipedia contributions? @negotiating future wp zero deals What is the basic problem that you are not able to negotiate a first 300 mb free for wikimedians, unrestricted to contents ? Rupert Am 01.06.2014 22:06 schrieb Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org: Gerard: Labs is not currently considered for zero-rating because it can be misused. But it may be added over time if we figure out how to work around that and there is demand for it. Rupert: Your comment seems unnecessarily hostile to me, but I'm going to try to assume good faith. I have of course edited Wikipedia articles in my spare time, though I may not do it as much given that I spend most of my time defending the projects legally and creating a safer environment for other editors. To address your substantive point: that people need full Internet access to do research for Wikipedia articles. I do think there are ways the community could work with editors that have limited access to the Internet rather than dismissing them outright. The fact that people can't afford to pay for full Internet access should not exclude them from contributing to the projects. Best, Yana -- Yana Welinder Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6867 @yanatweets https://twitter.com/yanatweets NOTICE: As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Legal_Disclaimer. On Sun, Jun 1, 2014 at 8:45 AM, rupert THURNER rupert.thur...@gmail.com wrote: Yana, may i suggest that you try at least one time in your life edit a wikipedia article so you experience how much bandwith is consumed to do a proper research of verifyable sources? Or just read an article and try to verify the contents? Yana, there is only one type of internet, please leave it up to the reader what is good and what is bad, and please let the wikipedia zero contracts reflect this. Rupert Am 01.06.2014 09:57 schrieb Yana Welinder ywelin...@wikimedia.org: As the Quartz article from Jens's email discusses, the decision in Chile is very unfortunate.[1] It's an example of when net neutrality — which is an important principle for the free and open internet — is poorly implemented to prevent free dissemination of knowledge. Although Wikipedia Zero is not yet available in Chile, it is a country of interest for the program, so we are thinking about what options are available in light of this decision. That said, I would like to clarify a couple of points about the implementation of Wikipedia Zero that were raised in this thread: 1. The newer Wikipedia Zero partnerships have provided the full Wikipedia sites (m.wikipedia) free of data charges for some time now and we are phasing out the reduced version (zero.wikipedia) from the older partnerships. 2. While earlier Wikipedia Zero partnerships only zero-rated Wikipedia, we are working on getting carriers to zero-rate all the Wikimedia projects. 3. We are also working on getting editing functions zero-rated, though there are some technical hurdles for that right now. But, eventually, Wikipedia Zero will not only make knowledge more accessible, but also empower more people in the Global South to contribute to the projects. 4. Finally, WMF does *not* pay carriers to zero-rate Wikipedia under Wikipedia Zero. Carriers zero-rate the sites because they want to make a commitment to access to knowledge as a corporate social responsibility.[2] I believe this question has already been answered in this thread since Scott raised it earlier, but I just wanted to confirm that Wikipedia Zero does not involve payments. Hope this is helpful! Best, Yana [1] http://qz.com/215064/when-net-neutrality-backfires-chile-just-killed-free-access-to-wikipedia-and-facebook/ [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporate_social_responsibility -- Yana Welinder Legal Counsel Wikimedia Foundation 415.839.6885 ext. 6867 @yanatweets https://twitter.com/yanatweets NOTICE: As an attorney for the Wikimedia Foundation, for legal/ethical reasons I cannot give legal advice to, or serve as a lawyer for, community members, volunteers, or staff members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see our legal disclaimer
[Wikimedia-l] Please spread the word: Tools only on Tool Labs from July 1
Hi all, please spread the word: Tools only on Tool Labs from July 1 About one year ago, we, Wikimedia Deutschland e. V., announced June 30th as the deadline of the Toolserver migration (Roadmap at [1]). This deadline is approaching. The Toolserver will stop working on June 30th. What will happen afterwards? Background information The Toolserver is a community based infrastructure that hosts software supporting Wikipedia and its sister projects. Over the years many active volunteers have developed helpful and great software tools that are running on several Wikimedia projects. The Toolserver is operated by Wikimedia Deutschland with assistance from the Wikimedia Foundation and several chapters. For many reasons, the Toolserver will be discontinued and replaced by Tool Labs [2], a platform operated by the Wikimedia Foundation. Please see the reasons at [3]. For more than one year Wikimedia Deutschland has been coordinating the migration of software tools from Toolserver to Tool Labs. What editors should know The toolserver is a community-driven project. The tools shall be migrated by the developers resp. maintainers themselves. Many of them have already migrated their tools or have indicated that they will do so before the end of this month. We have a special agreement with the OpenStreetMap projects and with the developer of Merlbot [4] to ensure these tools don’t stop working. All other tools will stop working by July 1st. What editors can do * On Tool Labs [2], you can look up if the tools that you use and need have already moved there. * Talk to the developers of your favourite tools: It is important to let them know how much you appreciate their tools and that you need them to do your work. * Contact us if you don’t know who these developers are or if you have any questions or if you want us to forward wishes or requests to tool developers. Contact information is given at the end of this text. Information for tool developers If you are still facing the migration of your tools, please keep in mind that lots of people use your tools. They are a great support for their daily work and will be missed when they fail. Please take the time to migrate them or poke us: WMDE can still support you during migration - what we can’t do is maintain abandoned tools in the long run. From July 1st on, the toolserver admins will still hand you over your backups upon request and create redirects to Tool Labs for you. *You won’t be able to log in to the toolserver anymore though.* If anyone wants to have and reuse other people’s code, we recommend to seek approval from them directly, even if from a legal point of view there is no problem. Don’t hesitate to talk to us if you need a contact person. Here is a collection of the relevant links for you again: * Tool Labs: http://tools.wmflabs.org * Tool Labs help pages: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Nova_Resource:Tools/Help * How to create redirects to Tool Labs: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/.htaccess#.htaccess * Magnus Manske’s migration manual: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Magnus_Manske/Migrating_from_toolserver * Scripts to clean up your toolserver account]] after migration: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Main_Page * Mailing list Labs-l: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l * IRC channel #wikimedia-labs: http://webchat.freenode.net/?channels=#wikimedia-labs * Marc-André Pelletier (Coren) and Andrew Bogott (andrewbogott) are the WMF Tool Labs ops. Petr Bena (petan) and Tim Landscheidt (scfc_de) are voluntary Tool Labs admins. We invite you to join our IRC office hour in #wikimedia-office on Wednesday, June 11th, at 5 p.m. UTC. Contact: The migration is coordinated by Silke Meyer (WMDE). Birgit Müller supports her in communications. The two toolserver admins Marlen Caemmerer und Alexander Mette are glad to help you with advice. Marc-André Pelletier can answer all questions concerning Tool Labs. Contact us at Silke: silke.me...@wikimedia.de, Talk page at [5], IRC: Silke_WMDE Birgit: birgit.muel...@wikimedia.de, Talk page at [6], IRC: Birgit_WMDE We hope that the transition will happen as smoothly as possible! Best, Silke [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Tool_Labs/Roadmap_en [2] http://tools.wmflabs.org [3] https://toolserver.org/ [4] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer:MerlBot [5] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Silke_WMDE [6] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benutzer_Diskussion:Birgit_Müller_(WMDE) -- Silke Meyer Internes IT-Management und Projektmanagement Toolserver Wikimedia Deutschland e.V. | Obentrautstr. 72 | 10963 Berlin Tel. (030) 219 158 260 http://wikimedia.de Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e.V. Eingetragen im Vereinsregister des Amtsgerichts Berlin-Charlottenburg unter der Nummer 23855 B. Als gemeinnützig anerkannt durch das Finanzamt für Körperschaften I Berlin, Steuernummer 27/681/51985. ___ Wikimedia-l
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives
Thanks for sharing, Tilman! (These are really useful pages, and nice to see them continue to be maintained). Best regards, Bence On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: Minutes and slides from last week's quarterly review of the Foundation's Mobile Contributions team are now available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Mobile_contributions/May_2014 . On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, to increase accountability and create more opportunities for course corrections and resourcing adjustments as necessary, Sue's asked me and Howie Fung to set up a quarterly project evaluation process, starting with our highest priority initiatives. These are, according to Sue's narrowing focus recommendations which were approved by the Board [1]: - Visual Editor - Mobile (mobile contributions + Wikipedia Zero) - Editor Engagement (also known as the E2 and E3 teams) - Funds Dissemination Committe and expanded grant-making capacity I'm proposing the following initial schedule: January: - Editor Engagement Experiments February: - Visual Editor - Mobile (Contribs + Zero) March: - Editor Engagement Features (Echo, Flow projects) - Funds Dissemination Committee We’ll try doing this on the same day or adjacent to the monthly metrics meetings [2], since the team(s) will give a presentation on their recent progress, which will help set some context that would otherwise need to be covered in the quarterly review itself. This will also create open opportunities for feedback and questions. My goal is to do this in a manner where even though the quarterly review meetings themselves are internal, the outcomes are captured as meeting minutes and shared publicly, which is why I'm starting this discussion on a public list as well. I've created a wiki page here which we can use to discuss the concept further: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews The internal review will, at minimum, include: Sue Gardner myself Howie Fung Team members and relevant director(s) Designated minute-taker So for example, for Visual Editor, the review team would be the Visual Editor / Parsoid teams, Sue, me, Howie, Terry, and a minute-taker. I imagine the structure of the review roughly as follows, with a duration of about 2 1/2 hours divided into 25-30 minute blocks: - Brief team intro and recap of team's activities through the quarter, compared with goals - Drill into goals and targets: Did we achieve what we said we would? - Review of challenges, blockers and successes - Discussion of proposed changes (e.g. resourcing, targets) and other action items - Buffer time, debriefing Once again, the primary purpose of these reviews is to create improved structures for internal accountability, escalation points in cases where serious changes are necessary, and transparency to the world. In addition to these priority initiatives, my recommendation would be to conduct quarterly reviews for any activity that requires more than a set amount of resources (people/dollars). These additional reviews may however be conducted in a more lightweight manner and internally to the departments. We’re slowly getting into that habit in engineering. As we pilot this process, the format of the high priority reviews can help inform and support reviews across the organization. Feedback and questions are appreciated. All best, Erik [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Vote:Narrowing_Focus [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia
On 06/04/2014 02:36 AM, rupert THURNER wrote: @labs Could you please provide a reference why labs can be misused? The problem with Zero-rating (all of) labs is that there is no constraint on the actual nature of the content that is provided there. While we /do/ have rules about what is and is not permissible on labs, and most of what is allowed should be okay to zero-rate alongside the projects, it's fairly easy to cheat your way around it and construct a workaround to access other services/websites/whatever which is what the telco providers would be concerned about. That said, I could see a plausible future scenario where a carefully curated /subset/ of labs could be made available from the zero range; but I don't expect making labs in general zero-rated is possible. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] [MED] Most visited articles of a topic
Hi, Amical is just drafting its very first collaboration with a Hospital, in order to improve MED articles on ca.wiki The doctors comittée asked us, in order to optimize efforts, if we knew which are the most visited articles medicine related, so they can start putting their efforts there Do you know if there is a tool for that? - tracking which are the most visited articles in a category tree on a wiki (not only En.wiki). I just tried to RTFM and JGI but didn't found what I was looking for. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia
A question to Yana et al.: Is there any reason for the WMF to promote/sign Zero agreements instead of the local chapters/user groups? I mean, if that ability was subsidized to the chapters we could have a different strategy depending on the country, because: - in some places the benefits of promoting Zero outweighs the risks - in some other places it is just the opposite By decoupling the decisions from the umbrella organization we would allow different strategies according to different needs, with the focus to converge on net-neutrality on the long term, but not now for everyone, which is not ideal either. Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 9:54 AM, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: A question to Yana et al.: Is there any reason for the WMF to promote/sign Zero agreements instead of the local chapters/user groups? I mean, if that ability was subsidized to the chapters we could have a different strategy depending on the country, because: - in some places the benefits of promoting Zero outweighs the risks - in some other places it is just the opposite By decoupling the decisions from the umbrella organization we would allow different strategies according to different needs, with the focus to converge on net-neutrality on the long term, but not now for everyone, which is not ideal either. Cheers, Micru How would an affiliate have the ability to sign any agreements for the delivery of WMF content? The agreements cover access to WMF-owned websites. I can see local affiliates being helpful with translation, advice and communication support etc., but I don't see that this kind of decision can be decoupled from the WMF. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [MED] Most visited articles of a topic
Àlex Hinojo, 04/06/2014 15:35: Do you know if there is a tool for that? - tracking which are the most visited articles in a category tree on a wiki https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/ https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/ (if you're lucky and they share a title prefix; can work for asteroids and proteins I guess :P ) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] [PRESS RELEASE] Airtel Offers Nigerians Free Access to Wikipedia
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Nathan nawr...@gmail.com wrote: How would an affiliate have the ability to sign any agreements for the delivery of WMF content? The agreements cover access to WMF-owned websites. I can see local affiliates being helpful with translation, advice and communication support etc., but I don't see that this kind of decision can be decoupled from the WMF. The mechanism would be as follows: 1. the wmf or the local organization handles the first round of talks 2. the local organization formally asks for a temporal exception to the net-neutrality policy for a certain territory 3. the wmf temporally surrogates the capacity to sign the agreement to the local organization, and provides support (translation, advice, etc) That way we would have: - an umbrella net neutrality policy that all should strive to reach - local exceptions where it makes sense - the wmf being able to advocate for net neutrality - the local population born in disadvantaged places enjoying (temporary) benefits Of course it would be even better to define the limits of eligibility, that would need some discussion. Cheers, Micru ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [MED] Most visited articles of a topic
Oh thanks! Didn't know it was moved to wmflabs and improved so well! 2014-06-04 16:06 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: Àlex Hinojo, 04/06/2014 15:35: Do you know if there is a tool for that? - tracking which are the most visited articles in a category tree on a wiki https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/ https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/ (if you're lucky and they share a title prefix; can work for asteroids and proteins I guess :P ) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why the quiet announcement of Wikimania 2015?
On Thu, 05 Jun 2014 00:56:07 +1000, billinghurst billinghu...@gmail.com wrote: Just wondering whether there is going to be a bigger announcement of Wikimania 2015 going to be in Mexico City, than its appearance in the WM2014 programme https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme If the decision is announced on [[m:Wikimania 2015]] by the green text, I think that is a very quiet way of doing things. Seems that we can make a bit of a bigger fuss. Congrats Mexico City. Regards, Billinghurst Hmm, it was obviously just me missing it. And I only double-checked the archives for May. sigh Regards, Billinghurst (cleaning specs) ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] Why the quiet announcement of Wikimania 2015?
Just wondering whether there is going to be a bigger announcement of Wikimania 2015 going to be in Mexico City, than its appearance in the WM2014 programme https://wikimania2014.wikimedia.org/wiki/Programme If the decision is announced on [[m:Wikimania 2015]] by the green text, I think that is a very quiet way of doing things. Seems that we can make a bit of a bigger fuss. Congrats Mexico City. Regards, Billinghurst ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [MED] Most visited articles of a topic
Hello Alex, WikiProject Medicine on English discusses this issue in various ways. Consider posting this message on that project's talk page. The most prominent international project is with the Translation Task Force, in which there is a coordinated international effort to get 80 medical articles presumed to be the most popular in the world all translated and interconnected between every language. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Medicine/Translation_task_force/RTT Right now Catalan is not part of this only because we have not yet identified any Catalan community working on health articles. If you want to talk more then please write me or just go to English WikiProject Medicine - it would be great to collaborate. yours, On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 10:50 AM, Àlex Hinojo alexhin...@gmail.com wrote: Oh thanks! Didn't know it was moved to wmflabs and improved so well! 2014-06-04 16:06 GMT+02:00 Federico Leva (Nemo) nemow...@gmail.com: Àlex Hinojo, 04/06/2014 15:35: Do you know if there is a tool for that? - tracking which are the most visited articles in a category tree on a wiki https://tools.wmflabs.org/glamtools/treeviews/ https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikiviewstats/ (if you're lucky and they share a title prefix; can work for asteroids and proteins I guess :P ) Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Lane Rasberry user:bluerasberry on Wikipedia 206.801.0814 l...@bluerasberry.com ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)
??? writes: On 02/06/2014 21:14, Mike Godwin wrote: Google has a clear purpose too, and it was no defense. Plus, there is a public-interest argument in favor of eschewing the erasure of true, accurate public data that happens to be old. There is nothing in the judgement about erasing true, acaccurate public data that happens to be old. The judgement is about collecting, collating, and processing it, in away that is an invasion of privacy. This is an incorrect characterization of the opinion. The ECJ said the right to be forgotten applies when the data aggregated appear to be inadequate, irrelevant or no longer relevant, or excessive in relation to the purpose for which they were processed and in light of the time that has elapsed. This does not mean invasion of privacy, which is a term generally applied to information that has not previously been published. By its nature, Google is not publishing information that has never been published. -- it indexes and enables the retrieval of information that has been previously published. Whatever the right to be forgotten may turn out to be, it's not about publication of previously unpublished information. Ergo, it's not about invasion of privacy, broadly speaking. The opinion makes clear that one can publish true, accurate, already-published information and nevertheless be compelled to erase it by an individual or entity invoking a right to be forgotten. --Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)
Whatever the right to be forgotten may turn out to be, it's not about publication of previously unpublished information. Ergo, it's not about invasion of privacy, broadly speaking. The opinion makes clear that one can publish true, accurate, already-published information and nevertheless be compelled to erase it by an individual or entity invoking a right to be forgotten. I think there's a philosophical issue about privacy here. As far as I can see the ECJ interprets privacy as the right to enjoy a private life, and sees any party holding a significant amount of data about a private individual without good reason as a potential infringement on that right, regardless of whether that information was previously published or not. There is a narrower interpretation of privacy as the right of private individuals to control what information about them is published, which I think is implied by your post. From my own point of view and at the philosophical rather than practical level, I think the ECJ's approach is better suited to what privacy means these days. Chris --Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives
+1. These are an amazing resource for understanding what's happening. Thanks to Tilman and the teams who put these together. Is there any thought of making metrics updates more machine-readable, exposing data/metrics/timelines? Right now the excellent data is flattened into slides, and then further flattened into a single pdf. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 7:53 AM, Bence Damokos bdamo...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks for sharing, Tilman! (These are really useful pages, and nice to see them continue to be maintained). Best regards, Bence On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 11:39 PM, Tilman Bayer tba...@wikimedia.org wrote: Minutes and slides from last week's quarterly review of the Foundation's Mobile Contributions team are now available at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews/Mobile_contributions/May_2014 . On Wed, Dec 19, 2012 at 6:49 PM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi folks, to increase accountability and create more opportunities for course corrections and resourcing adjustments as necessary, Sue's asked me and Howie Fung to set up a quarterly project evaluation process, starting with our highest priority initiatives. These are, according to Sue's narrowing focus recommendations which were approved by the Board [1]: - Visual Editor - Mobile (mobile contributions + Wikipedia Zero) - Editor Engagement (also known as the E2 and E3 teams) - Funds Dissemination Committe and expanded grant-making capacity I'm proposing the following initial schedule: January: - Editor Engagement Experiments February: - Visual Editor - Mobile (Contribs + Zero) March: - Editor Engagement Features (Echo, Flow projects) - Funds Dissemination Committee We’ll try doing this on the same day or adjacent to the monthly metrics meetings [2], since the team(s) will give a presentation on their recent progress, which will help set some context that would otherwise need to be covered in the quarterly review itself. This will also create open opportunities for feedback and questions. My goal is to do this in a manner where even though the quarterly review meetings themselves are internal, the outcomes are captured as meeting minutes and shared publicly, which is why I'm starting this discussion on a public list as well. I've created a wiki page here which we can use to discuss the concept further: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings/Quarterly_reviews The internal review will, at minimum, include: Sue Gardner myself Howie Fung Team members and relevant director(s) Designated minute-taker So for example, for Visual Editor, the review team would be the Visual Editor / Parsoid teams, Sue, me, Howie, Terry, and a minute-taker. I imagine the structure of the review roughly as follows, with a duration of about 2 1/2 hours divided into 25-30 minute blocks: - Brief team intro and recap of team's activities through the quarter, compared with goals - Drill into goals and targets: Did we achieve what we said we would? - Review of challenges, blockers and successes - Discussion of proposed changes (e.g. resourcing, targets) and other action items - Buffer time, debriefing Once again, the primary purpose of these reviews is to create improved structures for internal accountability, escalation points in cases where serious changes are necessary, and transparency to the world. In addition to these priority initiatives, my recommendation would be to conduct quarterly reviews for any activity that requires more than a set amount of resources (people/dollars). These additional reviews may however be conducted in a more lightweight manner and internally to the departments. We’re slowly getting into that habit in engineering. As we pilot this process, the format of the high priority reviews can help inform and support reviews across the organization. Feedback and questions are appreciated. All best, Erik [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Vote:Narrowing_Focus [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Metrics_and_activities_meetings -- Erik Möller VP of Engineering and Product Development, Wikimedia Foundation Support Free Knowledge: https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l -- Tilman Bayer Senior Operations Analyst (Movement Communications) Wikimedia Foundation IRC (Freenode): HaeB ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)
Chris writes: I think there's a philosophical issue about privacy here. As far as I can see the ECJ interprets privacy as the right to enjoy a private life, and sees any party holding a significant amount of data about a private individual without good reason as a potential infringement on that right, regardless of whether that information was previously published or not. But the ECJ opinion does not impose upon Google the obligation to erase all the information about the complainant. The underlying facts of the case (always a good idea to consult these!) relate to an order from the Spanish Data Protection Authority to remove links to a newspaper article relating to the auction of complainant's house, 16 years ago, to recover social-security debts. In general, possession of real estate, and public auctions of real-estate by the government, are both public matters. Indeed, you likely wouldn't want to live in a society in which they are not. Furthermore, the newspaper itself is expressly not obligated to censor its own databases, which adds the extra added benefit of philosophical inconsistency. --Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] [MED] Most visited articles of a topic
Àlex Hinojo, 04/06/2014 16:50: Oh thanks! Didn't know it was moved to wmflabs and improved so well! Yes, that's thanks to the renewed efforts by User:Henrik (stats.grok.se): https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/glamtools/issue/3/treeviews-unchained Nemo ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)
(note any comments here are entirely my own personal opinion) On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 11:23 AM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: The ECJ said the right to be forgotten applies when the data aggregated appear to be inadequate, irrelevant or no longer relevant, or excessive in relation to the purpose for which they were processed and in light of the time that has elapsed. That begs the question as to what is the purpose for which they were processed. Even in this case with Google and the Spanish guy and some old repossession: What's the purpose of Google's processing the data? To satisfy search requests. Is the old repossession relevant to the search for the guy's name? It depends on why someone is doing the searching, maybe it is and maybe it isn't. And is Google having to remove all record of the repossession from their index, or just in connection with the guy's name? What if someone searches for Mario Costeja González repossession, is the old repossession relevant then? What about Mario Costeja González 1998, since the repossession occurred in 1998? How many years until he can whine at Google that the top results for Mario Costeja González are now all about this stupid lawsuit? What if it had been some other Mario Costeja González (maybe one living outside Europe) who had the repossession? Would the ECJ ruling still require Google to remove the information based on the complaint by *this* Mario Costeja González? ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Quarterly reviews of high priority WMF initiatives
On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:37 AM, Samuel Klein meta...@gmail.com wrote: Is there any thought of making metrics updates more machine-readable, exposing data/metrics/timelines? Right now the excellent data is flattened into slides, and then further flattened into a single pdf. If anyone is seeking more data on the project-wide or feature-related metrics we typically discuss, there are several tools available. Other than the Report Card [1] and stats.wikimedia.org, probably the best resource is our extensive list of dashboards on Meta.[2] Those provide a lot of structured data over time. The format for the Reviews are slides since the primary intended audience of the Quarterly Reviews is still internal-facing. Steven 1. http://reportcard.wmflabs.org/ 2. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Data/Dashboards ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
[Wikimedia-l] A Quick Hello from New List Subscriber
Hi Wikimedia-l, Just to say hello and introduce myself to the list. I'm a research professional seven years experience hoping to break into the legal field. I'm not 25 or anything like that though. I've done other stuff in my life, and I am middle-aged. How do I come here to the list? I was a Wikipedia (English) contributor for like six years before being blocked. I hope you do not infer guilt into that statement or that I'm somehow a bad person. I am not here to discuss that and would also ask you not to, of course, because it's off-topic for the list. I just say it because I'm introducing myself. The reason I subscribe to the list is because after I couldn't edit content anymore, I became more interested and thoughtful as to the meaning of Wikipedia and its effect on the world. Because of the way people web-search for information, where Wikipedia of course is so incredibly often the top result, it has immense power on the way people think about the subjects of all its articles. The more I analyzed this, the more I became critical. Anyhow, my interest in this Wikimedia Foundation list is really because I hold the WMF responsible for Wikipedia. I reject the notion that Wikipedia is just some separate construct owned by the WMF, like a copy machine or something. And for which it is not responsible. So I come here to be informed by all of you and also perhaps to inform all of you. I know most on this list use their real names. I choose to maintain a pseudonym. It's not because I am scared to own my words. I want to own all my words. It's rather because I have realized that there is a value in online anonymity, because of the invasive force the Internet has become in telling any random stranger about our lives. I respect the decision though of those that sign their real name to everything, and endeavor to consider that in any interaction I have with you. Signature: well let me see how my nickname shows up on the list. I selected Trillium Corsage as the name at the email service, but I typed Cloaked Citizen when I registered for this list. I guess I'll sign after this with whichever of those appears. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia
I think having a two part RfC with the first part discussing the minimum conditions the community would like VE to meet before having a discussion about more widely enabling VE in the second portion of the RfC makes sense. This raises the possibility that as VE becomes more and more functional that the community will incrementally approve of wider default use over time and different presentations of VE to editors. There are a lot of options for how extensively VE could be enabled and how it can be presented to users with the community's consent, which we can discuss in the second portion of the RfC. I have a draft for that portion off-wiki that I will tweak depending on how the first portion looks before I put it on-wiki for other editors to review. Risker, would you like to set up the first portion of this, if this arrangement sounds good to you? Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia
(META: I have to wonder why Wikimedia-l was chosen as the venue for this conversation. Visual Editor is deployed and working in quite a few of our projects, including very active ones and difficult ones such as the right-to-left Hebrew Wikipedia; this discussion, then, is very much about the English Wikipedia and VE, and would be appropriate in a venue more specific to ENWP -- whether list or wiki.) A. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 12:57 PM, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: I think having a two part RfC with the first part discussing the minimum conditions the community would like VE to meet before having a discussion about more widely enabling VE in the second portion of the RfC makes sense. This raises the possibility that as VE becomes more and more functional that the community will incrementally approve of wider default use over time and different presentations of VE to editors. There are a lot of options for how extensively VE could be enabled and how it can be presented to users with the community's consent, which we can discuss in the second portion of the RfC. I have a draft for that portion off-wiki that I will tweak depending on how the first portion looks before I put it on-wiki for other editors to review. Risker, would you like to set up the first portion of this, if this arrangement sounds good to you? Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- Asaf Bartov Wikimedia Foundation http://www.wikimediafoundation.org Imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. Help us make it a reality! https://donate.wikimedia.org ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia
Asaf, I agree in some ways. ENWP's email list is a backwater though, and since the discussion that got me thinking about this issue started on this list it made sense to me to keep it on this list. Also, other wikis' experiences with VE are relevant. My personal experience with VE has most recently been on Meta. Also, you may remember that I suggested that a recent and much more intensive discussion about Commons would have been better elsewhere than this list, but a lot of it stayed here. The volume of this conversation about VE is pretty low. There should be a single standard on this list, not separate standards for Commons and ENWP. However, I agree that we don't need to keep this conversation here. Risker and anyone else who's interested, please continue on my ENWP talk page or start a thread somewhere like VP-T. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia
Hoi, There should not be separate standards for Commons and any Wikipedia is surely what you mean... Thanks, GerardM On 4 June 2014 22:17, ENWP Pine deyntest...@hotmail.com wrote: Asaf, I agree in some ways. ENWP's email list is a backwater though, and since the discussion that got me thinking about this issue started on this list it made sense to me to keep it on this list. Also, other wikis' experiences with VE are relevant. My personal experience with VE has most recently been on Meta. Also, you may remember that I suggested that a recent and much more intensive discussion about Commons would have been better elsewhere than this list, but a lot of it stayed here. The volume of this conversation about VE is pretty low. There should be a single standard on this list, not separate standards for Commons and ENWP. However, I agree that we don't need to keep this conversation here. Risker and anyone else who's interested, please continue on my ENWP talk page or start a thread somewhere like VP-T. Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] VisualEditor on English Wikipedia
GerardM, Yes, if Asaf or someone else wanted to have a low-frequency discussion about VE on Hebrew Wikipedia or some other wiki on this list I think that would be ok too. IMO this is a high-traffic general-purpose list, but Asaf is right that taking discussions to a more specific place is appreciated by others who may not want to get 50 emails about a local issue. Let's continue discussion about VE on English Wikipedia on the pages I suggested. Thanks, Pine ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Ukraine's anniversary
Congrats! On 2 June 2014 15:50, Amy Vossbrinck avossbri...@wikimedia.org wrote: Very nice work!! Take good care, Amy On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 8:10 AM, Cristian Consonni kikkocrist...@gmail.com wrote: Today, our organization celebrates anniversary - 5 years from the date of creation. Exactly 5 years ago, on May 31, 2009, in Kyiv was held the constituent meeting, which approved the bylaws and elected its first Board of the new organization, known as Wikimedia Ukraine. Our community has gone through a long and difficult path. Birthday of Wikimedia Ukraine for our community is the third remarkable date this year. On January 30 was the 10th anniversary of the establishment of Ukrainian Wikipedia and on May 12 Ukrainian Wikipedia has crossed the threshold of 500 000 articles. We want to thank to Wikimedia Foundation Inc. for their help, to our neighboring communities for fruitful cooperation with us and of course to our community for their contributions! Regards, Levon Azizian Deputy chair Wikimedia Ukraine Congratulations! Cristian ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe -- *Amy Vossbrinck* *Executive Assistant to the* *Chief of Finance and Administration, Garfield Byrd* *Wikimedia Foundation* *149 New Montgomery Street* *San Francisco, CA 94105* *415.839.6885 ext 6628* *avossbri...@wikimedia.org avossbri...@wikimedia.org* ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
Re: [Wikimedia-l] A Quick Hello from New List Subscriber
Trillium Corsage wrote: Just to say hello and introduce myself to the list. I'm a research professional seven years experience hoping to break into the legal field. I'm not 25 or anything like that though. I've done other stuff in my life, and I am middle-aged. How do I come here to the list? I was a Wikipedia (English) contributor for like six years before being blocked. I hope you do not infer guilt into that statement or that I'm somehow a bad person. I am not here to discuss that and would also ask you not to, of course, because it's off-topic for the list. I just say it because I'm introducing myself. Welcome! Anyhow, my interest in this Wikimedia Foundation list is really because I hold the WMF responsible for Wikipedia. I reject the notion that Wikipedia is just some separate construct owned by the WMF, like a copy machine or something. And for which it is not responsible. So I come here to be informed by all of you and also perhaps to inform all of you. Wikipedia pre-dates the Wikimedia Foundation and will very likely outlive the Wikimedia Foundation. The Wikimedia Foundation is an important player in the Wikimedia movement, but responsibility is a complex and faceted concept and I'm not exactly sure what you're getting at here. I'm looking forward to reading you. :-) MZMcBride ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, mailto:wikimedia-l-requ...@lists.wikimedia.org?subject=unsubscribe
