Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

2014-08-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers. This is not a zero sum game. It is not as if there are no consequences. I am certain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

2014-08-14 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 1:41 PM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, The big question is not so much where and when things happen, the big question is who supports all the muck. There have been enough instances where changes to for instance common.js brought down servers.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Russavia
Erik On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:32 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: This is why on all major sites, you see a gradual ramp-up of a new feature, and continued improvement once it's widely used. Often there's an opt-in and then an opt-out to ease users into the change. But once a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] how global.js works? (was: Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

2014-08-14 Thread Magnus Manske
Ah, I believe when the Italian (?) Wikipedia started using my JS-based also-search-on-wikidata tool. A dependency JS file was hosted on Tools Labs, effectively DDOSing it to a halt. Moved file to en.wp, cache can handle it easily now. So, not technically a Wikipedia server, but a Wikimedia server

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Pine W
FYI, Lila had chosen to engage in discussion on her meta talk page. Numerous editors are commenting there. Discussion also continues on the meta RFC and on the English Wikipedia arbitration workshop page. Pine On Aug 14, 2014 12:03 AM, Russavia russavia.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: Erik On Thu,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Clarification by Lila Tretikov about MediaViewer

2014-08-14 Thread Richard Farmbrough
The community too is asking for kindness and consideration. Riding roughshod over community consensus does not equate to kindness, or even wisdom, unless it it that of Niccolò Machiavelli! The Mission Statement of the Foundation says *The mission of the Wikimedia Foundation is to empower and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A bunch of nobodies

2014-08-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Because you can.. Thanks, GerardM Op 13 aug. 2014 23:41 schreef Michael Peel em...@mikepeel.net: Why? On 13 Aug 2014, at 22:40, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Add evidence of your insignificance here! https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/A_bunch_of_nobodies - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A bunch of nobodies

2014-08-14 Thread
Let's not encourage using meta like it was Facebook. However, meh, looking at the important names listing themselves, I can't get very excited about pursuing the point. I'd rather not get even more black listed than I already am. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing

Re: [Wikimedia-l] A bunch of nobodies

2014-08-14 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi Fae, For me you added a positive notch at Wikimania to your reputation. It was good to see you and you were involved and having fun.. Thanks, GerardM On 14 August 2014 11:07, Fæ fae...@gmail.com wrote: Let's not encourage using meta like it was Facebook. However, meh, looking at the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Erik Moeller
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:41 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Is there anything that the German Wikipedia could do to convince you to disable MediaViewer there? Some percentage of active users showing up to say so? Some percentage of users (logged-in or otherwise) disabling the feature?

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Henning Schlottmann
On 12.08.2014 21:41, Magnus Manske wrote: On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 5:33 PM, Henning Schlottmann h.schlottm...@gmx.net wrote: This is serious. WMF really needs to appreciate the expertise of the author community and accept their experience a important and valid. If authors tell the WMF and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Henning, To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would not be appropriately written by a German to a German. You may find yourself very smart with this kind of wording. Let me tell you from a North German to a North German:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread David Cuenca
Erik, I'm impartial about the mediaviewer, but I have the feeling that this is a recurring a pattern: 1) contributors ask for some change to improve their experience or the reader's experience 2) their request is ignored because either it doesn't fit in the big picture, or there is no mechanism

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 August 2014 13:56, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: It would be more sensible to let contributors participate in the tech roadmap in more formal and empowered way than now, because without that early participation there is no possibility for later consensus. A pattern we see over

[Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

2014-08-14 Thread Jan-Bart de Vreede
Hi all, Some of you have asked the Board and its individual members for feedback. Some of us are already in conversation with you or are planning to answer on different pages. This is our general common statement: The Board supports the decision to protect the Media Viewer roll out. Our

[Wikimedia-l] We have an awesome Translation Tools....made for English speakers first

2014-08-14 Thread Charles Andrès
Dear all, I would like to draw your attention on the Translation Extension for Mediawiki, since 2 years now, community members ask to improve this extension by adding the possibility to select the original language. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=35489 We are in a movement

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Todd Allen
On Aug 14, 2014 3:58 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:41 AM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Is there anything that the German Wikipedia could do to convince you to disable MediaViewer there? Some percentage of active users showing up to say so? Some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread David Cuenca
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:35 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: A pattern we see over and over is that the developers talk at length about what they're working on in several venues, then it's released and people claiming to speak for the community claim they were not adequately

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

2014-08-14 Thread Manuel Schneider
Hi Jan-Bart, thanks for this statement. Thanks to all on the board and Lila working on this, the improvement of our website and trying to recover the trust of our community. /Manuel Am 14.08.2014 15:42, schrieb Jan-Bart de Vreede: Some of you have asked the Board and its individual members for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] We have an awesome Translation Tools....made for English speakers first

2014-08-14 Thread Vira Motorko
It is weird that, for example, chapters' pages on Meta should be written in English and then translated into native language -- according to current logic. I agree with Charles, this change would be a step forward. Sure, translators-l will also agree. *Vira Motorko* Help save natural resources

[Wikimedia-l] Mexico facts about Wikipedia

2014-08-14 Thread Ivan Martínez
Hi folks, For any interested, today appear in the blog Codigo Espagueti[1] a survey about the trust in Wikipedia and the use both in Mexico and the United States. Some facts: - 60% of people with internet access in Mexico has heard about Wikipedia. - 82% are very or somewhat confident. In

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

2014-08-14 Thread Juergen Fenn
Only after the last editor has been been driven away Only after the last article written by a volunteer has been published Only after the last vandal has been reverted by a volunteer Then will you find that money alone cannot write an encyclopædia. See:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

2014-08-14 Thread Martin Rulsch
The Board did not even consider to apologize for the rushed interference of WMF staff on de:MediaWiki:Common.js which caused so much trouble in the last days? No empathy for German Wikimedians who feel completely overruled and locked out from maintaining its display and implementing community

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mexico facts about Wikipedia

2014-08-14 Thread Tanweer Morshed
Thanks Ivan for sharing the interesting survey. After Britain, the survey in Mexico and US unveils that Wikipedia is still a major online platform for learning and majority of people have faith on it. Regards, Tanweer On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:16 PM, Ivan Martínez gala...@gmail.com wrote: Hi

[Wikimedia-l] How to change the world

2014-08-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
This is a talk from Rick Falkvinge, founder of the Swedish Pirate Party, at the TEDx in Oslo last year. I thought it was worth sharing with you all: http://tedxtalks.ted.com/video/Changing-the-world-through-swar It would be really interesting to apply these methods within Chapters and the overall

[Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Coming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Tim Davenport
Re: Erik Möller's remark: In general, though, let's talk. The overarching principle we're not going to budge on is that this process is really not acceptable: 1) The UI changes 2) A subset of users is upset and organizes a poll/vote 3) The poll/vote closes with a request to undo said UI Change

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Mike Godwin
Henning writes: To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would not be appropriately written by a German to a German. My experience over the last quarter century suggests that this metaphor rarely works out well. --Mike

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Andrea Zanni
On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Mike Godwin mnemo...@gmail.com wrote: Henning writes: To describe Eric's action I am tempted to use a metaphor that includes black uniforms and heavy boots. But that would not be appropriately written by a German to a German. My experience over the last

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 08/14/2014 02:36 PM, David Gerard wrote: So locally-editable site JavaScript, for locally-important gadgets and so forth, is in fact something that's needed. That seems reasonable, but it's less clear to me that this should be bundled with / part of the 'editinterface' right, at least as it

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] This Month in GLAM: July 2014

2014-08-14 Thread The 'This Month in GLAM' team
*This Month in GLAM* is a monthly newsletter documenting recent happenings within the GLAM project, such as content donations, residencies, events and more. GLAM is an acronym of *G*alleries, *L*ibraries, *A*rchives and *M*useums. You can find more information on the project at glamwiki.org.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Chris Keating
On 14 Aug 2014 14:50, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 3:35 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: A pattern we see over and over is that the developers talk at length about what they're working on in several venues, then it's released and people claiming

[Wikimedia-l] Deployment targets and preferences (was: Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you)

2014-08-14 Thread Seb35
Hi, I propose some constructive ideas to improve the deployment of new features: * granular deployments: create user profiles where the users can choose if they want an overall appearance: * never ever change my interface: some experienced authors do not like when one change every

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Isarra Yos
On 14/08/14 16:07, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: This is actually not correct. Take pending changes on the English Wikipedia as an example - people used to complain a lot on how RfC's were closed, but this is the business of the community. I have never heard anybody complaining that the trial

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread svetlana
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 23:35, David Gerard wrote: On 14 August 2014 13:56, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: It would be more sensible to let contributors participate in the tech roadmap in more formal and empowered way than now, because without that early participation there is no

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread svetlana
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, at 09:47, svetlana wrote: On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 23:35, David Gerard wrote: On 14 August 2014 13:56, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: It would be more sensible to let contributors participate in the tech roadmap in more formal and empowered way than now,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mexico facts about Wikipedia

2014-08-14 Thread Nurunnaby Hasive
Great news Ivan! On Thu, Aug 14, 2014 at 8:50 PM, Tanweer Morshed wiki.tanw...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks Ivan for sharing the interesting survey. After Britain, the survey in Mexico and US unveils that Wikipedia is still a major online platform for learning and majority of people have faith on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Mark
On 8/14/14, 3:35 PM, David Gerard wrote: On 14 August 2014 13:56, David Cuenca dacu...@gmail.com wrote: It would be more sensible to let contributors participate in the tech roadmap in more formal and empowered way than now, because without that early participation there is no possibility for

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board statement on the Media Viewer roll out

2014-08-14 Thread svetlana
On Thu, 14 Aug 2014, at 23:42, Jan-Bart de Vreede wrote: At the Board meeting before Wikimania, Lila laid out her strategy to put in place best practices for product development. We will communicate sooner, we will prioritize smarter, we will test more, and we will achieve better outcomes.

[Wikimedia-l] Special:PageLanguage (was: [Translators-l] We have an awesome Translation Tools....made for English speakers first)

2014-08-14 Thread svetlana
On Fri, 15 Aug 2014, at 00:52, Niklas Laxström wrote: Translate extension has supported for a long time having any language as the source language. There just has not been an interface in MediaWiki to set the source language of a page. The good news is that Kunal Grover, a GSoC student has

[Wikimedia-l] Statement on CIS-A2K's FDC proposal discussion

2014-08-14 Thread Vishnu
Dear Wikimedians, We have put out a statement on the CIS-A2K's FDC proposal discussion here [1]. As you will note the statement reflects on some of the critical points of feedback that we received and outlines the steps that we have taken and plan to take. On behalf of everyone at CIS, we