Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap

Hoi, I do not care one whit who you are or why you think you are provoked. What I care about is arguments that are put cleanly without much fanfare. When you think that you have permission to be rude threatening or abusive under any circumstances, you are wrong. It degrades any point you have and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Update regarding WMF's reporting practices

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 2:13 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > Given https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimedia-l/2015- > January/076324.html, some questions. > > Erik Moeller, 06/11/2014 07:57: > >> Format: Effective immediately, we are shifting to a quarterly >> reporting format. This will

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap

mcc99, while I'm enjoying this discussion, that came across as rude and really a bit uncalled for. Austin was only trying to help you. On 10 Jan 2015 01:01, "mcc99" wrote: > Well "Austin Hair", > > You display a profound lack of understanding of ME, it seems. I am polite > until others are rude,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

Sebastian, While I bristle at the words "misguided", "dubious", and especially the implication (and indeed it's only that) that I'm in support of discrimination based on X (sex, etc.), which I hope by now others can see isn't so, at least I've gotten an actual counter-argument from someone that

[Wikimedia-l]  Re: Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap

Well "Austin Hair", You display a profound lack of understanding of ME, it seems.  I am polite until others are rude, become threatening, even a thinly veiled way, so allow me to tell you first that I do not care a whit what YOU think of me or my opinion on this or any other topic.  And if othe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group

No, that is not the case. I got a confirmation by email about being unsubscribed, and 6 hours later a new email that I was subscribed again. Fortunately, this gave me the opportunity to report the group twice. Regards, Thyge 2015-01-10 0:05 GMT+01:00 Charles Gregory : > I believe the problem occ

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group

I believe the problem occurs if you use a gmail (or domain with google apps) email address which differs to the email address you were subscribed to the list with. Being a Google service, the group interface tries to use your gmail account. MZ's email method works well! If you need the direct li

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

On 8 January 2015 at 16:46, mcc99 wrote: > If WMF still wants to pursue this kind of goal (which as you can tell I think > rests on false assumptions as well as ethically bup-pow. - d. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wik

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

On 9 January 2015 at 20:31, Bjoern Hoehrmann wrote: > * Siko Bouterse wrote: >>We've heard from a number of chapters/groups so far that are excited about >>the campaign and are wondering how to help. We've heard from only a few >>people so far about specific time-sensitive requests of concern, an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 130, Issue 25

Geni, I'll answer your response item by item. 1. I don't know if you're writing from Europe, the US, or another place, but here in the US, following are the wages/salary of RNs (LPNs and CNAs definitely don't get paid like RNs or NPs/PAs, but they don't have the same level of education/trainin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 130, Issue 24

Hi Chris, Philosophically, your question re who is to decide what's worthwhile and factual is a fair point.  But un practice it's decided by editors, authors, and on Wikipedia, by Wikipedia content reviewers and editors.  I've sometimes had my additions, even minor edits, reverted by a Wikipedi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

Siko makes an important point here. If there are too many time sensitive non-theme requests then that would be justification for allocating more resources to the grantmaking team next year. Let's wait and see how the data plays out. Sydney Sydney Poore User:FloNight Wikipedian in Residence at Co

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

Hi Anne, Perfectly valid question.  First, it's that the focus is on indelible physical characteristics of which people have little control short of serious surgical intervention.  It'd be like saying it's been noted most contributors to Wikipedia are under 6' tall and the site and its purpose

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

* Siko Bouterse wrote: >We've heard from a number of chapters/groups so far that are excited about >the campaign and are wondering how to help. We've heard from only a few >people so far about specific time-sensitive requests of concern, and we're >really quite open to continue working with anyone

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why WMF should reconsider the 3-month gender gap project-related decision

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 6:22 AM, Jens Best wrote: > Sorry to interrupted, just a short question. > > I'm looking for statistics of how many project ideas/requests were > submitted in the past. How many volunteers and WMF-employees were and are > involved in evaluating all these submissions and so

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 7:40 PM, Gregory Varnum wrote: > When I first heard about the idea - I was timid and concerned. However, > after reading the responses - I am not sure that everyone is looking at > this the right way. My concerns have been addressed, largely by the > commitment to accept ti

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

Hi Fae, That is not the impression that I'm getting from the comments. At least some people have the expectation that the funding stream will be available whenever they decide to make a request. Is it realistic to continue to have an ongoing open call for non - time sensitive grants when the wiki

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group

My experience is the same :-( 2015-01-09 19:28 GMT+01:00 Ricordisamoa : > Thanks for the notice. I unsubscribed some hours ago and got resubscribed > again... > > Il 07/01/2015 19:26, Austin Hair ha scritto: > > You may have already received a message indicating that you've been >> added to the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

Identifying priority areas and directing resources (funds and human) toward them is a non-controversial way to achieve goals. This is exactly what is happening with this targeted campaign. The grants team has made it clear that during this round it intends to work with people and organizations th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group

Thanks for the notice. I unsubscribed some hours ago and got resubscribed again... Il 07/01/2015 19:26, Austin Hair ha scritto: You may have already received a message indicating that you've been added to the "Wikimedia-l" Google Group; if not, you likely will soon. In case it's not clear, thi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

It's not denying attention or funds. It's focusing attention and funds on a badly needed area for 3 months out of the year, and the rest of the projects get the full 9 months. Inviting people to focus their proposals on the gender gap (which, btw, doesn't need scare quotes, as I assure you it's rea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

Please try not to split threads. ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l,

[Wikimedia-l] Please report to Google [was Re: Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group]

On Wed, Jan 7, 2015 at 9:18 PM, Karthik Nadar wrote: > I think it will be better if most of us can "Report the Group". Yes, please do this. We're also talking with Google about trying to resolve the issue, but my understanding is that reporting that you've been fraudulently subscribed will help

[Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

The real problem is that there have been "conferences for 3 or 4 years all around the world" but (a) no new empirical work on the actual size of the gender gap; and (b) whether that is changing over time; and (c) the underlying reasons for that gap; and (d) whether any past conference, program, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

* Sydney Poore wrote: >It appears to me that you are entirely missing the actual nature of the >problem and the reason for having a campaign targeted at the gender gap. > >The *problem* is that there have been a suboptimal number of grant requests >for funds to address the gender gap even though it

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there some Wikimedia project to host contents based on original research?

Castelo Branco, 09/01/2015 14:17: "Wikibooks is for textbooks, annotated texts, instructional guides, and manuals. (...) Wikibooks is not a place to publish primary research." https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks That's only one language. Nemo ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

My 2 cents? The carrot would be a different approach of the committees in the evaluation and a better "consideration" of the role of the women. When I said to several women that there will be a session of grants dedicated to the women, the answer has been really positive, I would say that they fe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

Hi Sydney, I understand your perspective, but I also understand the "where is the carrot?" question. I would actively support the campaign if it had been run as one of stating that for X weeks or months that the WMF grants system would give priority to gendergap related proposals and that we would

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group

On Fri, Jan 9, 2015 at 3:33 PM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: > On 15-01-09 09:26 AM, Richard Symonds wrote: >> >> I believe mailman allows people to be added without confirmation >> too! > > It does, our list admins are just too polite to do that to people. This one is, at least. Wikimedia-l requires

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF is shutting down grantmaking for good projects for 3 months for no reason

It appears to me that you are entirely missing the actual nature of the problem and the reason for having a campaign targeted at the gender gap. The *problem* is that there have been a suboptimal number of grant requests for funds to address the gender gap even though it a listed priority of the W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there some Wikimedia project to host contents based on original research?

Depends how you write the original research, it can easily be considered a textbook. 2015-01-09 6:17 GMT-07:00 Castelo Branco : > "Wikibooks is for textbooks, annotated texts, instructional guides, and > manuals. > (...) Wikibooks is not a place to publish primary research." > > https://en.wikibo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group

On 15-01-09 09:26 AM, Richard Symonds wrote: I believe mailman allows people to be added without confirmation too! It does, our list admins are just too polite to do that to people. -- Marc ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group

FWIW MZ, I believe mailman allows people to be added without confirmation too! It's useful for some things, but not for lists like ours. Richard Symonds Wikimedia UK 0207 065 0992 Wikimedia UK is a Company Limited by Guarantee registered in England and Wales, Registered No. 6741827. Registered Ch

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group

Thank you for the tip. "report abuse" did not unsub'ed me somehow. -Yena Hong (Revi) http://www.revi.pe.kr -- Sent from Android -- 2015. 1. 9. 오후 11:03에 "MZMcBride" 님이 작성: > Austin Hair wrote: > >You may have already received a message indicating that you've been > >added to the "Wikimedia-l" Goo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Warning: "Wikimedia-l" Google Group

Austin Hair wrote: >You may have already received a message indicating that you've been >added to the "Wikimedia-l" Google Group; if not, you likely will soon. I've had difficulty using the Web unsubscribe form, so I've been unsubscribing from this repeated stupidity exclusively via e-mail, which

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Is there some Wikimedia project to host contents based on original research?

"Wikibooks is for textbooks, annotated texts, instructional guides, and manuals. (...) Wikibooks is not a place to publish primary research." https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wikibooks:What_is_Wikibooks Michel Castelo Branco 2015-01-08 19:54 GMT-02:00 JP Béland : > Wikibooks. > > 2015-01-06 11:02

[Wikimedia-l] Invitation for the General Assembly of Wikimedia Belgium

Hello all, On 24 January 2015 Wikimedia Belgium organises her first General Assembly. The assembly is open for members and volunteers on Wikipedia and other sister projects. The main subject of the meeting is the budget of Wikimedia Belgium. * Location: Brussels * More information about the budge