Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Does this article exist in your language?

[Jan Ainali]

It is also missing in se, rom and yi (all official minority languages in
Sweden ).

Norwegian is two languages, however, Norway is not a part of EU and have no
parlamentarians to change the vote.

/Jan Ainali
(skickat på språng så ursäkta min fåordighet)
On Jun 29, 2015 3:53 AM, "Ricordisamoa" 
wrote:

> Il 29/06/2015 03:25, Romaine Wiki ha scritto:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> Great news! In the mean while on 3 different Wikipedias an article has
>> been
>> written about Freedom of Panorama: Croatian, Lithuanian and Esperanto.
>>
>> The European languages without an article are now:
>> * Icelandic
>> * Norwegian
>> * Danish
>> * Belarusian
>> * Romanian
>> * Albanian
>> * Turkish
>> * Maltese
>> * Welsh
>>
>
> Not counting Ligurian, Sicilian, Lombard, Neapolitan, Venetian, etc.
>
>
>> Who knows anyone who speaks one of these languages? Please ash him/her!
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> Romaine
>>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Does this article exist in your language?

[Ricordisamoa]

Il 29/06/2015 03:25, Romaine Wiki ha scritto:

Hello all,

Great news! In the mean while on 3 different Wikipedias an article has been
written about Freedom of Panorama: Croatian, Lithuanian and Esperanto.

The European languages without an article are now:
* Icelandic
* Norwegian
* Danish
* Belarusian
* Romanian
* Albanian
* Turkish
* Maltese
* Welsh


Not counting Ligurian, Sicilian, Lombard, Neapolitan, Venetian, etc.



Who knows anyone who speaks one of these languages? Please ash him/her!

Thank you!

Romaine



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Does this article exist in your language?

[Romaine Wiki]

Hello all,

Great news! In the mean while on 3 different Wikipedias an article has been
written about Freedom of Panorama: Croatian, Lithuanian and Esperanto.

The European languages without an article are now:
* Icelandic
* Norwegian
* Danish
* Belarusian
* Romanian
* Albanian
* Turkish
* Maltese
* Welsh

Who knows anyone who speaks one of these languages? Please ash him/her!

Thank you!

Romaine



2015-06-28 1:22 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett :

> On 27 June 2015 at 11:39, Romaine Wiki  wrote:
>
> > Any other European languages missing an article about it?
>
> Welsh (Cymraeg) doesn't have one.
>
> Don't forget that many "non-Euorpean" languages have significant
> numbers of speakers in Europe: Bengali, Hindi, etc.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Romaine Wiki]

Hi!

I do not think language discrimination is the only possible discrimination.
I would prefer and consider it better if the international organisation
would be located next to the office of a local chapter. Then a different
perspective is possible.

Also I would like to suggest to have an WMF office on the various
continents: one in North America, one in South America, one in Europe, one
in Africa and one in Asia. I think only then it is really possible to to
understand the differences between the continents/regions in the world and
to be closer to the volunteers themselves. (And this can be in the same
building as a local chapter.)

In Brussels there is an office used/paid by the Wikimedia EU policy group,
the place where the whole of Europe meets, in multiple ways. Also situated
in the middle of four of the most active chapters in Europe and relatively
close to Jimbo. (I think ideal for a WMF office as well, but I may have a
COI here.)

So a co-headquarters in Belgium would be a great idea.

Romaine


2015-06-28 14:18 GMT+02:00 James Salsman :

> GerardM,
>
> Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
> co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple language
> Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[James Heilman]

A few thoughts:

1) We do not need more simple language Wikipedias. We need to make our
current Wikipedias simplier. Yes I know it is an uphill battle but we just
need more people working on it.

2) It is the editors of content who have the greater authority. Editors are
somewhat curtained by what sources are avaliable. As much published
material is US centric and the US government releases nearly everything
they produce under an open license this perspective has the upper hand. I
would tell Jean Marie Cavada that maybe if France / the EU was also to
publish everything they do under open licenses that would allow the
European perspective to gain greater promience. Maybe they could also
convince the World Health Organization of the importance of open licenses.

-- 
James Heilman
MD, CCFP-EM, Wikipedian

Starting July 2015 I am a board member of the Wikimedia Foundation
My emails; however, do not represent the official position of the WMF

The Wikipedia Open Textbook of Medicine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from "wikimedia research"

[Quim Gil]

On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 10:04 PM, Michael Peel  wrote:

> It's good to see an email appeal sent to editors to translate articles,
> although a direct email appeal to generally add information to the relevant
> Wikipedia might be better (we don't just want translators, we also want new
> content!).
>

I'm just talking here as someone that volunteered in a first test of this
feature. In that case I was asked whether I had edited Spanish Wikipedia
(which I had) and then got a few recommendations for articles that could be
translated from English to Spanish using the Content Translator. My edits
to es.wiki are quite thematic, and the recommendations I got were very
interesting to me, as an editor and as a reader.

I guess a problem with this mailing (among others) is that the threshold
should be more restrictive, for instances filtering out editors that never
added whole sentences or paragraphs of text, avoiding the occasional
editors of wrong data, images, etc, that might not know the language itself.

About why focusing on translations (or, to be more precise, Content
Translator), I think it is a campaign that makes sense. Most registered
editors don't know about Content Translator and/or wouldn't have a clear
idea of what articles to translate. In this sense, the email (that could be
a message in Talk pages indeed) is very useful, even for someone like me
who was well aware of Content Translator and had tried in some articles.

Of course, this shouldn't stop other types of recommendations to edit away.

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Engineering Community Manager @ Wikimedia Foundation
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 400 days of lila tretikov and 60 million dollars spent - where is mobile editing?

[rupert THURNER]

hi dan,

many thanks for the quick reaction! i need to make a correction as
well, i was redirected to
https://de.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Offener_Brief_an_die_Mitglieder_des_Europ%C3%A4ischen_Parlaments_zur_Erhaltung_der_Panoramafreiheit
which was opened with the android chrome browser, so not the wikipedia
app. i did not find any support in the mobile skin to do basic edits,
e.g. add a link with reference, and sign. it is the first contact
function for many people. i am sorry that this  made me explode as it
is still not fixed despite it was hinted from numerous persons
multiple times, for quite some time.

i tried the app as well now, but i did not find any application
support for "signature" or "link" ? so i have to know the syntax and
type it?

best,
rupert


On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 9:44 PM, Dan Garry  wrote:
> Hi Rupert,
>
> I was the product owner
> 
> for the Wikipedia app from before it launch until April last year, so I can
> answer your question. Editing is supported on the native mobile apps, and
> has been since their launch last year (June 2014 for Android, July 2014 for
> iOS). The reason it did not work for you in this case is because of a
> formatting error in the wikitext of that specific page. I fixed the problem
> in the wikitext
> ,
> and successfully added my signature as a test
> 
> (which
> I then reverted since I don't want to interfere in the discussion). You
> should be able to add your signature now. (I skipped over the exact details
> of what the issue was, let me know if you want hear them)
>
> As an aside, I would note that the way you communicated this question was
> suboptimal and unnecessarily combative. The title of your email is
> provocative, and makes unnecessary, exaggerated, and incorrect
> implications. It would be nice if you avoided doing this in the future, as
> people will be more willing to involve themselves in a discussion if they
> do not feel like they are being attacked.
>
> Thanks,
> Dan
>
> On 28 June 2015 at 03:44, rupert THURNER  wrote:
>
>> hi,
>>
>> now we are approaching 400 days of lila tretikov at the helm of the
>> wikimedia foundation, and 60 million us dollars spent, i was not able
>> to sign a simple wikipedia page via the mobile app. i think something
>> is going seriously wrong here :(
>>
>> what was the use case? the european union wants to harmonize the
>> freedom of panorama:
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama#European_Union. the
>> german wikipedia had a wikipedia banner to sign a petition, and also
>> wrote mails about it. which i thought is a nice idea. i am reading
>> mails on the phone following links to wikipedia, i tried it this time
>> as well, and i was not able to accomplish the most simple task of
>> contribution - to add my signature at the bottom of a list. earlier in
>> the year i already tried to add a link and i could not do it - but i
>> admit that is a much more difficult task in the mobile app.
>>
>> the german links:
>> * sign here:
>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Offener_Brief_an_die_Mitglieder_des_Europ%C3%A4ischen_Parlaments_zur_Erhaltung_der_Panoramafreiheit
>> *
>> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Initiative_f%C3%BCr_die_Panoramafreiheit
>>
>> just as a side note, up to know this page collected close to 4'000
>> signatures.
>>
>> best,
>> rupert
>>

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Unsolicieted email from "wikimedia research"

[Michael Peel]

>> So as part of
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Increasing_article_coverage
>> , it appears that unsolicited emails have been sent out encouraging
>> people to translated articles into needed languages.
>> 
>> I am all for improving article coverage, etc, but I'm concerned about
>> the use of user account emails to send unsolicited mail that the user
>> has not opted into. I think use of user email addresses for purposes
>> other than the user has agreed to, is not ok.
>> 
> I'm not really fazed by the fact that emails were unsolicited, but by the
> fact that I got it in French. I don't know whether that was a glitch or a
> conscious decision, but my knowledge of French is somewhere around fr-0.1,
> and it made no sense to me why I got it in a language other than English. :)

I also received an email in French about this. I presume that this is because I 
have made some edits to the French Wikipedia (mostly just adding photos to 
articles): hopefully it didn't get sent to everyone who's edited Wikipedia!

It's good to see an email appeal sent to editors to translate articles, 
although a direct email appeal to generally add information to the relevant 
Wikipedia might be better (we don't just want translators, we also want new 
content!).

> Really, RCom has morphed slowly into the Research Team at the WMF + a few
> interested volunteers that we can manage to pull in to help us with review
> work (shout out to Daniel Mietchen, Nemo, Yaroslav & BluRasberry).

I'm sad to hear this. I thought it used to be a volunteer committee (but 
perhaps I'm remembering this wrong?), and turning a volunteer committee into a 
staff team really isn't scalable. I'm sure that there are many knowledgeable 
academic researchers out there that this structure will exclude. Defining it as 
WMF staff members and some pre-existing volunteers sounds like it's become 
more, rather than less, hierarchical.

Thanks,
Mike
P.S. I like the idea of "random academic"s. The world could do with more of 
these. :-)


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 400 days of lila tretikov and 60 million dollars spent - where is mobile editing?

[Dan Garry]

On 28 June 2015 at 12:44, Dan Garry  wrote:
>
> I was the product owner
> 
> for the Wikipedia app from before it launch until April last year,
>

Correction: this was meant to read "until April *this* year".

Dan

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] 400 days of lila tretikov and 60 million dollars spent - where is mobile editing?

[Dan Garry]

Hi Rupert,

I was the product owner

for the Wikipedia app from before it launch until April last year, so I can
answer your question. Editing is supported on the native mobile apps, and
has been since their launch last year (June 2014 for Android, July 2014 for
iOS). The reason it did not work for you in this case is because of a
formatting error in the wikitext of that specific page. I fixed the problem
in the wikitext
,
and successfully added my signature as a test

(which
I then reverted since I don't want to interfere in the discussion). You
should be able to add your signature now. (I skipped over the exact details
of what the issue was, let me know if you want hear them)

As an aside, I would note that the way you communicated this question was
suboptimal and unnecessarily combative. The title of your email is
provocative, and makes unnecessary, exaggerated, and incorrect
implications. It would be nice if you avoided doing this in the future, as
people will be more willing to involve themselves in a discussion if they
do not feel like they are being attacked.

Thanks,
Dan

On 28 June 2015 at 03:44, rupert THURNER  wrote:

> hi,
>
> now we are approaching 400 days of lila tretikov at the helm of the
> wikimedia foundation, and 60 million us dollars spent, i was not able
> to sign a simple wikipedia page via the mobile app. i think something
> is going seriously wrong here :(
>
> what was the use case? the european union wants to harmonize the
> freedom of panorama:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama#European_Union. the
> german wikipedia had a wikipedia banner to sign a petition, and also
> wrote mails about it. which i thought is a nice idea. i am reading
> mails on the phone following links to wikipedia, i tried it this time
> as well, and i was not able to accomplish the most simple task of
> contribution - to add my signature at the bottom of a list. earlier in
> the year i already tried to add a link and i could not do it - but i
> admit that is a much more difficult task in the mobile app.
>
> the german links:
> * sign here:
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Offener_Brief_an_die_Mitglieder_des_Europ%C3%A4ischen_Parlaments_zur_Erhaltung_der_Panoramafreiheit
> *
> https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Initiative_f%C3%BCr_die_Panoramafreiheit
>
> just as a side note, up to know this page collected close to 4'000
> signatures.
>
> best,
> rupert
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Well when he does not have a better point of view, he has hardly any
arguments at all. Just as if French students will not suffer for the lack
of a freedom of panorama. Where does it say students have money to spend on
"professional" pictures and where does it say they should?
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 28 June 2015 at 18:39, rupert THURNER  wrote:

> Wikimedia's current structure makes us vulnerable for beeing labelled as
> u.s. american monopoly by jeanmarie cavada, French member of the European
> Parliament:
> http://jeanmariecavada.eu/ma-position-sur-le-droit-de-panorama/
>
> Best
> Rupert
>  On Jun 28, 2015 5:42 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference
> for
> > USA activities. That is what chapters are about.
> > Thanks.
> >  GerardM
> >
> > On 28 June 2015 at 14:18, James Salsman  wrote:
> >
> > > GerardM,
> > >
> > > Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
> > > co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple
> > language
> > > Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[rupert THURNER]

Wikimedia's current structure makes us vulnerable for beeing labelled as
u.s. american monopoly by jeanmarie cavada, French member of the European
Parliament:
http://jeanmariecavada.eu/ma-position-sur-le-droit-de-panorama/

Best
Rupert
 On Jun 28, 2015 5:42 PM, "Gerard Meijssen" 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference for
> USA activities. That is what chapters are about.
> Thanks.
>  GerardM
>
> On 28 June 2015 at 14:18, James Salsman  wrote:
>
> > GerardM,
> >
> > Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
> > co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple
> language
> > Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
Hear, hear !!
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 28 June 2015 at 12:44, Amir E. Aharoni 
wrote:

> > The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US
> > chapter is founded ;-)
> W
> Not quite, but it would be an important step in that direction. Work on USA
> projects should be done by USA Wikimedia chapters and other USA
> organization, not by the Foundation.
>
> It used to be worse in the past - The example that I recall most easily is
> the Public Policy Initiative from 2010, which got American people to work
> on American topics. Though not a bad project as far as the created content
> goes, I felt discomfort about the fact that it's done by the Foundation
> which is supposed to be international.
>
> But that was five years ago. I cannot recall something like that is
> happening now. There are local American chapters now; it's good that they
> are local, and there should be more of them. Foundation is backing more
> international projects and usually gives the backing to organizations or
> individuals rather than doing everything by itself.
>
> It can get much more international, but a good process has already begun.
>
>
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> I want to live in peace.” – T. Moore‬
>
> 2015-06-28 6:00 GMT+03:00 Pine W :
>
> > Hi Ricordisamoa,
> >
> > There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that
> > are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US
> > affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders
> > communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits
> you
> > think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked
> about
> > this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a
> > confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national
> affiliate.
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Pine
> > On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, "Ricordisamoa" 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US
> > > chapter is founded ;-)
> > >
> > > Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto:
> > >
> > >> Hi Garfield,
> > >>
> > >> I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have
> > noted
> > >> the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of
> > >> living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and
> > >> associated high salaries for WMF employees.
> > >>
> > >> I see on
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
> > >> that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main
> > >> office
> > >> lease expires.
> > >>
> > >> Questions:
> > >>
> > >> What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its
> > current
> > >> location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the
> > >> remodel by the building owner?
> > >>
> > >> I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco
> market
> > >> area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds,
> have
> > >> less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is
> > this
> > >> being considered?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks very much,
> > >>
> > >> Pine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I did not talk about language discrimination. I talked about preference for
USA activities. That is what chapters are about.
Thanks.
 GerardM

On 28 June 2015 at 14:18, James Salsman  wrote:

> GerardM,
>
> Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
> co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple language
> Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Richard Symonds]

I worry that these three options are unecessarily exclusive and probably a
bit simplistic. Why suggest these three?
On 28 Jun 2015 13:27, "James Salsman"  wrote:

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> co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple language
> Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[Jane Darnell]

Why not have a chapter that is physically close to the WMF in e.g. Tijuana?

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> Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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[Wikimedia-l] Ending discrimination by language

[James Salsman]

GerardM,

Which do you think would end more language discrimination: a WMF
co-headquarters in Belgium, moving the WEF to Germany, or a Simple language
Wikipedia for the top-25 languages?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Thousands of images on Wikipedia and Commons in danger, action needed

[Carcharoth]

These are excellent points raised by Michael Maggs. The bit about
non-commercial licenses in particular. That has always been difficult
to explain to people who are quite happy for Wikipedia to use their
images or images of their works, but don't want people to profit
commercially from those images or their works.

It can be hard to explain that Wikipedia is free ('gratis'), but we
want people to be able to reuse and repackage the material (including
images) and create commercial products from them. Some people quite
rightly back away from that when they realise what they would be
allowing people to do with the images.

Freedom of panorama (or rather, lack of it) has particularly
unfortunate effects, in that people who are unaware of these
provisions think they can upload their photography to Commons and are
then very often discouraged and de-motivated when they are told that
the images they contributed will be deleted. It is this motivational
aspect that I think is overlooked by those who want to encourage
people to contribute to Wikipedia and Commons and other Wikimedia
projects. My feeling is that vast numbers of potential and current
contributors decide Wikipedia is not for them when this happens, and
they walk away and we lose out when that happens.

The effect is magnified when this happens to photos that have been
*used with no problems for many years*. Potentially photos that people
uploaded to Commons many years ago may get retrospectively deleted. If
this does run into the tens and hundreds of thousands, the
motivational effect on those who uploaded pictures or use them to
illustrate their articles, could be immense.

If these changes take effect (and that is a big if) and if Commons (as
seems likely) goes on a big deletion spree, then the practical effect
is likely to be to discourage large numbers of (in some cases) highly
active contributors to the point where they may even cease
contributing. That is something that should be considered, IMO.

Can anyone here think of any way to mitigate the impact on people who
may not understand why their images are being deleted, if it does come
to that eventually?

Carcharoth

On 6/22/15, Michael Maggs  wrote:
> This has been mentioned before by Dimi, but bears repeating.
>
> While we may all think it's *outrageous* that tens of thousands of
> images may have to be deleted from Commons, we do have to make sure we
> have messages that will resonate with those who don't agree with us or
> who don't care.  If our only message is that open content will be
> harmed, we have no answer to those who reply 'so what?'
>
> In countries such as France and Belgium, that currently have no Freedom
> of Panorama, we need to address arguments like these:
>
> 1. Why should people be allowed to make money by using an architect's
> intellectual property without permission?
> 2. Why does Wikipedia, a hobbyist website, think it's OK to steal other
> people's rights?
> 3. Non-commercial use won't be affected, so this is not an issue of
> freedom at all.  It just stops people making money from someone else's
> creative work.
> 4. If Wikipedia holds itself out as non-commercial, it can and should
> accept non-commercial licences. The argument that 'images will have to
> be deleted' is based on your private internal rule which could easily be
> changed.
>
> Remember that in some countries there is a long history of supporting
> rights holders, that millions of people don't know what 'open' means,
> don't care, and won't be persuadable by any sort of argument based on
> freedom to view.  To them, freedom of panorama is just a way of
> illicitly taking away an artist's right to protect his or her own
> creative work.
>
> Probably most of us reading this will say that these arguments hold no
> water, but we need to tackle them head-on.
>
> Michael



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[Wikimedia-l] 400 days of lila tretikov and 60 million dollars spent - where is mobile editing?

[rupert THURNER]

hi,

now we are approaching 400 days of lila tretikov at the helm of the
wikimedia foundation, and 60 million us dollars spent, i was not able
to sign a simple wikipedia page via the mobile app. i think something
is going seriously wrong here :(

what was the use case? the european union wants to harmonize the
freedom of panorama:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_panorama#European_Union. the
german wikipedia had a wikipedia banner to sign a petition, and also
wrote mails about it. which i thought is a nice idea. i am reading
mails on the phone following links to wikipedia, i tried it this time
as well, and i was not able to accomplish the most simple task of
contribution - to add my signature at the bottom of a list. earlier in
the year i already tried to add a link and i could not do it - but i
admit that is a much more difficult task in the mobile app.

the german links:
* sign here: 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Offener_Brief_an_die_Mitglieder_des_Europ%C3%A4ischen_Parlaments_zur_Erhaltung_der_Panoramafreiheit
* 
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Initiative_f%C3%BCr_die_Panoramafreiheit

just as a side note, up to know this page collected close to 4'000 signatures.

best,
rupert

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

[Amir E. Aharoni]

> The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US
> chapter is founded ;-)
W
Not quite, but it would be an important step in that direction. Work on USA
projects should be done by USA Wikimedia chapters and other USA
organization, not by the Foundation.

It used to be worse in the past - The example that I recall most easily is
the Public Policy Initiative from 2010, which got American people to work
on American topics. Though not a bad project as far as the created content
goes, I felt discomfort about the fact that it's done by the Foundation
which is supposed to be international.

But that was five years ago. I cannot recall something like that is
happening now. There are local American chapters now; it's good that they
are local, and there should be more of them. Foundation is backing more
international projects and usually gives the backing to organizations or
individuals rather than doing everything by itself.

It can get much more international, but a good process has already begun.


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2015-06-28 6:00 GMT+03:00 Pine W :

> Hi Ricordisamoa,
>
> There are multiple chapters, user groups and thematic organizations that
> are active in the US and have a degree of separation from WMF. The US
> affiliates are cooperative with each other, and the affiliate leaders
> communicate with each other fairly frequently. May I ask what benefits you
> think would come from having a consolidated US chapter? We've talked about
> this casually among ourselves but so far we seem to be satisfied with a
> confederation of smaller affiliates instead of a single national affiliate.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Pine
> On Jun 27, 2015 7:20 PM, "Ricordisamoa" 
> wrote:
>
> > The WMF will become a truly global organization when a Wikimedia US
> > chapter is founded ;-)
> >
> > Il 08/04/2015 06:58, Pine W ha scritto:
> >
> >> Hi Garfield,
> >>
> >> I'm asking this on Wikimedia-l because a number of Wikimedians have
> noted
> >> the expensiveness of the San Francisco area including its high cost of
> >> living for staff, employer competition for engineering talent, and
> >> associated high salaries for WMF employees.
> >>
> >> I see on
> >>
> >>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/foundation/8/8a/RFP_for_Real_Estate_Services.pdf
> >> that WMF is considering relocating its offices when its current main
> >> office
> >> lease expires.
> >>
> >> Questions:
> >>
> >> What happens to the remodel expenses that WMF is paying for at its
> current
> >> location? If WMF vacates the premesis, will it be compensated for the
> >> remodel by the building owner?
> >>
> >> I hope that WMF is contemplating fully exiting the San Francisco market
> >> area in order to economize, get better value for our donors' funds, have
> >> less competition for talent, and lower costs of living for staff. Is
> this
> >> being considered?
> >>
> >> Thanks very much,
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] US affiliates (was: Re: WMF office location and remodel)

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
The United States is not singular in its size, its diversity, the number of
people. Arguably India, Brazil and Russia compare.

The one difference the USA has is its historic attention from the WMF  in
every aspect of its operations. Arguably, the WMF has performed many of
what would be expected of a USA chapter without any of the administrative,
democratic or other requirements that a chapter has.

When the USA has its own WMF chapter, it is no longer an automatic given
what the WMF may do in the USA and THAT would end much of the
discrimination that is taking place.
Thanks,
   GerardM

On 28 June 2015 at 08:07, Keegan Peterzell  wrote:

> On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 12:34 AM, Risker  wrote:
>
> > Ricordisamoa, I have no preference either way. I live in a geographically
> > enormous country (Canada), which has a national chapter - centered so far
> > away from me that I'll never be in a position to participate in person
> at a
> > regular meetup. In Canada's case, regional chapters might have been
> better,
> > and I wonder about other geographically large countries where this would
> > also be more workable.
> >
> > Risker
>
> ​
>
> ​The United States is so big, and the population so propagated ​amongst its
> size, that a cohesive US chapter is pretty much impossible. Despite the
> size of our movement, it's still very small by regional breakdown and the
> economics of travel for support just don't match up. I've attended a few
> meetups in the US, and I had to travel significant distance to do so only
> to have a maximum turnout of a few dozen. That was a DC meetup in which I
> flew in from the southern US and met with Risker - coming from Canada - at
> the airport to attend a meetup that was 40 strong with half of the people
> not being from DC. And that took significant planning.
>
> Ultimately, a US chapter would fail not because of passion, but simple
> logistics.
>
> --
> ~Keegan
>
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>
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