Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[Keegan Peterzell]

I gave Gnangarra a potential contact off-list.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating a
> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
>
>
​Jane, this is so off-base it's bordering offensive to those that live in
"fly-over" states. You don't need a massive city to have Wikimedians and I
have no idea where you're coming from.

It took me approximately 12 seconds to find someone in
[[Category:Wikipedians in Arkansas]] who is active, has been around awhile,
and whose userpage indicates they are in the same city. A city that has a
metro population of three-quarters of a million, at that.

(If you don't have userinfo.js [0] in your global .js, I highly recommend
it)

0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PleaseStand/userinfo.js

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Q1 Fundraising Update

[Andreas Kolbe]

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Leila Zia  wrote:

> I saw that banner and I want to do all I can to help you not use it even if
> it performs 20% better. I put my story in p.s. so it's easier to skip for
> whoever chooses to skip. This is a true story. :-\
>

On Fri, Oct 9, 2015 at 10:58 PM, Pete Forsyth  wrote:

> I agree, that banner does not reflect the values of this movement. Pure and
> simple; it's not a grey area, and not worth my time to discuss for the 97th
> time.
>
> Personally, I long ago gave up participating in these discussions, for the
> most part -- because the same valid points get made over and over again,
> and the same *AWFUL* errors are made year after year in the fund-raising
> campaign.
>
> Leila's post here is heartening, and I'm glad that somebody has the energy
> to articulate the concerns so well. I, myself, do not; I have simply lost
> faith in the integrity of the Wikimedia Foundation's fund-raising
> operation. I am, honestly, ashamed to tell people that I used to work in
> the fund-raising department there (though I believe the work we did was
> valuable).
>
> I recently heard from a high-ranking executive at a software company. She
> told me that she had given money to the Wikimedia Foundation, and then
> looked into the WMF's budget, and the messages in the campaign she had
> responded to. The word she used to describe her feeling was "mortified."
> She had considered asking for her money back, but had decided against it.
>
> Fortunately, she was sophisticated enough not apply her negative feelings
> to Wikipedia, but rather to the Wikimedia Foundation. But can the WMF
> afford to assume that will always be the case?
>



I endorse what Leila and Pete said above. My responses to the black banner
differ in details from Leila's, but the overall impression is the same: it
is fear-inducing, as though someone or something has been murdered, or is
about to be. Looking at the black banner, my eyes are first drawn to the
highlighted sentence, and then the one following it, about "keeping
Wikipedia online and ad-free."

Of course the banner "works". But it works for the wrong reasons. (The same
could be said for the #keepitfree hashtag on Twitter.) It's the result of
purely Darwinian A/B testing run amok, untempered by reason and conscience.
As Pete Forsyth has said: that process is broken. It seems not unlike the
process by which the yellow press come up with its headlines, designed to
pander to the basest, most primal instincts.

I will reiterate here that, according to the recent fundraising report[1],
the Foundation took $75.5 million in 2014/2015, exactly five times what it
had taken five years prior, in 2009-2010 ($15.1 million). Most
organisations would see such revenue growth not as evidence of a looming
financial crisis calling for desperate appeals for more cash, but as an
amazing, stunning success.

Credibility, once lost, is hard to regain. So far, you have lost it only
for a number of individuals, like that software executive Pete mentioned in
his post. But that number is increasing, and as your bank balance grows and
your appeals become more desperate-sounding, there will come a tipping
point.

If you are going to ask people this December to donate money "to keep
Wikipedia online and ad-free" (something that in the narrow sense costs the
WMF no more than $3 million p.a.), when in reality you are shooting for $70
million to $100 million, including several million dollars for an endowment
and several million more for further staff expansion, you risk doing
catastrophic damage to the Foundation's future fundraising ability.

Would you like that to be your legacy?


[1] See graphic in Signpost report:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2015-09-30/News_and_notes



> p.s. Here is the story:
> I open my laptop at 5:30am to check few definitions on Wikipedia for an
> upcoming early morning meeting. The room is dark and the only source of
> light is my laptop, I go to Wikipedia and I see that banner
> <
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Fundraising#/media/File:Sept2015BannerEx.png
> >.
> I'm still sleepy, and probably my mind is not functioning the way it
> normally does, nevertheless, here is what comes to my mind: I have a sudden
> feeling of fear. I see a very black background, and I think someone very
> important has died. I look a bit more, and I see some red colors, then I
> think something in the order of SOPA has happened. I'm getting quite
> nervous. I look at the text, but it's too long for me to parse it at that
> moment with the thoughts I have in the background. I look more at the
> background, I see some orange colors, some yellow colors, and a little
> human circled, I first think that whole color combination is a flame (red,
> orange, yellow, and the semi shape of a flame), then I think someone is
> jailed/executed. My eyes finally manage to see the right-hand-side of the
> page, and I see 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[Raymond Leonard]

Maybe someone with the Mass Messenger privilege can compile a Arkansas user
list & use the Mass Messenger service to post to their talk pages.

Yours,
Peaceray

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 11:40 AM, Keegan Peterzell 
wrote:

> I gave Gnangarra a potential contact off-list.
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 6:37 AM, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>
> > Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating a
> > Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
> >
> >
> ​Jane, this is so off-base it's bordering offensive to those that live in
> "fly-over" states. You don't need a massive city to have Wikimedians and I
> have no idea where you're coming from.
>
> It took me approximately 12 seconds to find someone in
> [[Category:Wikipedians in Arkansas]] who is active, has been around awhile,
> and whose userpage indicates they are in the same city. A city that has a
> metro population of three-quarters of a million, at that.
>
> (If you don't have userinfo.js [0] in your global .js, I highly recommend
> it)
>
> 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PleaseStand/userinfo.js
>
> --
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>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[John Mark Vandenberg]

On Thu, Oct 15, 2015 at 5:40 AM, Keegan Peterzell  wrote:
> (If you don't have userinfo.js [0] in your global .js, I highly recommend
> it)
>
> 0. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:PleaseStand/userinfo.js

IMO this should be a standard gadget available for all wikis.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[Craig Franklin]

This is not an especially helpful response.

Regards,,
Craig

On 14 October 2015 at 20:37, Jane Darnell  wrote:

> Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating a
> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> > G'day
> >
> > I have been contacted by an active Wikiproject Spam editor for help
> > (because I've recently been working with an editor here in Perth in a
> > similar situation),  to talk to a user who appears to be linked to the
> > Encyclopedia of Arkansas. The user is just adding links to EOA in the
> > external links section of related articles, another user has asked for
> the
> > links not to be blacklisted as its a good source.
> >
> > In these case the Australian chapter reaches out such editors as a
> personal
> > discussion over a coffee here works very effectively in turning this type
> > of contact into potential programmatic activities.  Being just couple
> miles
> > too far way I was looking for someone closer who would be willing to
> > followup with this on a local level.  As I said in my offer of help I'm
> > happy to support and advise them that goes for who ever takes up the
> reigns
> > but the important part of developing this is impractical from here.
> >
> >
> > on WP discussion
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cals.eoa#Help_offer
> > ​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gnangarra#UOA
> >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Encyclopedia_of_Arkansas
> > ​
> >
> > already checked meta there isnt any chapters close by, nearest user group
> > is in North Carolina with a smaller area of interest, and the only
> > experienced editors(10,000+ edits) listed on the en Wikiproject Arkansas
> > havent been active in the last 6 months
> >
> > --
> > ​Gnangarra
> >
> > President Wikimedia Australia
> > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[John Mark Vandenberg]

I randomly clicked user pages in
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Arkansas and
found many 5,000+ currently editing Wikipedians, and one 40,000+
editor.

Sounds like hitting user_talk pages might be a better approach to
finding suitable Wikipedians.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Craig Franklin
 wrote:
> This is not an especially helpful response.
>
> Regards,,
> Craig
>
> On 14 October 2015 at 20:37, Jane Darnell  wrote:
>
>> Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating a
>> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>>
>> > G'day
>> >
>> > I have been contacted by an active Wikiproject Spam editor for help
>> > (because I've recently been working with an editor here in Perth in a
>> > similar situation),  to talk to a user who appears to be linked to the
>> > Encyclopedia of Arkansas. The user is just adding links to EOA in the
>> > external links section of related articles, another user has asked for
>> the
>> > links not to be blacklisted as its a good source.
>> >
>> > In these case the Australian chapter reaches out such editors as a
>> personal
>> > discussion over a coffee here works very effectively in turning this type
>> > of contact into potential programmatic activities.  Being just couple
>> miles
>> > too far way I was looking for someone closer who would be willing to
>> > followup with this on a local level.  As I said in my offer of help I'm
>> > happy to support and advise them that goes for who ever takes up the
>> reigns
>> > but the important part of developing this is impractical from here.
>> >
>> >
>> > on WP discussion
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cals.eoa#Help_offer
>> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gnangarra#UOA
>> >
>> >
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Encyclopedia_of_Arkansas
>> >
>> >
>> > already checked meta there isnt any chapters close by, nearest user group
>> > is in North Carolina with a smaller area of interest, and the only
>> > experienced editors(10,000+ edits) listed on the en Wikiproject Arkansas
>> > havent been active in the last 6 months
>> >
>> > --
>> > Gnangarra
>> >
>> > President Wikimedia Australia
>> > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[Jane Darnell]

Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating a
Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:

> G'day
>
> I have been contacted by an active Wikiproject Spam editor for help
> (because I've recently been working with an editor here in Perth in a
> similar situation),  to talk to a user who appears to be linked to the
> Encyclopedia of Arkansas. The user is just adding links to EOA in the
> external links section of related articles, another user has asked for the
> links not to be blacklisted as its a good source.
>
> In these case the Australian chapter reaches out such editors as a personal
> discussion over a coffee here works very effectively in turning this type
> of contact into potential programmatic activities.  Being just couple miles
> too far way I was looking for someone closer who would be willing to
> followup with this on a local level.  As I said in my offer of help I'm
> happy to support and advise them that goes for who ever takes up the reigns
> but the important part of developing this is impractical from here.
>
>
> on WP discussion
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cals.eoa#Help_offer
> ​https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gnangarra#UOA
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Encyclopedia_of_Arkansas
> ​
>
> already checked meta there isnt any chapters close by, nearest user group
> is in North Carolina with a smaller area of interest, and the only
> experienced editors(10,000+ edits) listed on the en Wikiproject Arkansas
> havent been active in the last 6 months
>
> --
> ​Gnangarra
>
> President Wikimedia Australia
> WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[Gnangarra]

Thanks John missed that option I have gone looked through those, again the
only high edit counts arent currently active still looking for someone who
can help theres no point spamming people nor asking people have very little
experience

On 14 October 2015 at 19:13, John Mark Vandenberg  wrote:

> I randomly clicked user pages in
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Arkansas and
> found many 5,000+ currently editing Wikipedians, and one 40,000+
> editor.
>
> Sounds like hitting user_talk pages might be a better approach to
> finding suitable Wikipedians.
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Craig Franklin
>  wrote:
> > This is not an especially helpful response.
> >
> > Regards,,
> > Craig
> >
> > On 14 October 2015 at 20:37, Jane Darnell  wrote:
> >
> >> Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck locating
> a
> >> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
> >>
> >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra  wrote:
> >>
> >> > G'day
> >> >
> >> > I have been contacted by an active Wikiproject Spam editor for help
> >> > (because I've recently been working with an editor here in Perth in a
> >> > similar situation),  to talk to a user who appears to be linked to the
> >> > Encyclopedia of Arkansas. The user is just adding links to EOA in the
> >> > external links section of related articles, another user has asked for
> >> the
> >> > links not to be blacklisted as its a good source.
> >> >
> >> > In these case the Australian chapter reaches out such editors as a
> >> personal
> >> > discussion over a coffee here works very effectively in turning this
> type
> >> > of contact into potential programmatic activities.  Being just couple
> >> miles
> >> > too far way I was looking for someone closer who would be willing to
> >> > followup with this on a local level.  As I said in my offer of help
> I'm
> >> > happy to support and advise them that goes for who ever takes up the
> >> reigns
> >> > but the important part of developing this is impractical from here.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > on WP discussion
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cals.eoa#Help_offer
> >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gnangarra#UOA
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Encyclopedia_of_Arkansas
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > already checked meta there isnt any chapters close by, nearest user
> group
> >> > is in North Carolina with a smaller area of interest, and the only
> >> > experienced editors(10,000+ edits) listed on the en Wikiproject
> Arkansas
> >> > havent been active in the last 6 months
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Gnangarra
> >> >
> >> > President Wikimedia Australia
> >> > WMAU: http://www.wikimedia.org.au/wiki/User:Gnangarra
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[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Wikimedia Highlights, September 2015

[Andrew Sherman]

Please find a summary of last month’s highlights from the Wikimedia blog at
the following link:

https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Highlights,_September_2015

Contents:
Drone photography of Versailles
Wikimedia project milestones: Swedish Wikipedia hits 2 million
What I Learned: Wikipedia Education Program in Argentina
In September, we love monuments
Reimagining the Wikimedia Foundation’s grants
Wikipedia’s very active editor numbers have stabilized—delve into the data
with us
Should I pay for a Wikipedia article?

Translations for September are greatly appreciated.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[Chris Keating]

Have forwarded on to the GLAM outreach mailing list as there seems to be a
public library service behind this.

(I would observe that edit count and ability to do outreach don't
necessarily correlate that well - someone with a few hundred edits can be a
great contact point for a cultural institution and someone with tends of
thousands can be a poor one... :) )

Chris

On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Gnangarra  wrote:

> Thanks John missed that option I have gone looked through those, again the
> only high edit counts arent currently active still looking for someone who
> can help theres no point spamming people nor asking people have very little
> experience
>
> On 14 October 2015 at 19:13, John Mark Vandenberg 
> wrote:
>
> > I randomly clicked user pages in
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Arkansas and
> > found many 5,000+ currently editing Wikipedians, and one 40,000+
> > editor.
> >
> > Sounds like hitting user_talk pages might be a better approach to
> > finding suitable Wikipedians.
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Craig Franklin
> >  wrote:
> > > This is not an especially helpful response.
> > >
> > > Regards,,
> > > Craig
> > >
> > > On 14 October 2015 at 20:37, Jane Darnell  wrote:
> > >
> > >> Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck
> locating
> > a
> > >> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
> > >>
> > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra 
> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > G'day
> > >> >
> > >> > I have been contacted by an active Wikiproject Spam editor for help
> > >> > (because I've recently been working with an editor here in Perth in
> a
> > >> > similar situation),  to talk to a user who appears to be linked to
> the
> > >> > Encyclopedia of Arkansas. The user is just adding links to EOA in
> the
> > >> > external links section of related articles, another user has asked
> for
> > >> the
> > >> > links not to be blacklisted as its a good source.
> > >> >
> > >> > In these case the Australian chapter reaches out such editors as a
> > >> personal
> > >> > discussion over a coffee here works very effectively in turning this
> > type
> > >> > of contact into potential programmatic activities.  Being just
> couple
> > >> miles
> > >> > too far way I was looking for someone closer who would be willing to
> > >> > followup with this on a local level.  As I said in my offer of help
> > I'm
> > >> > happy to support and advise them that goes for who ever takes up the
> > >> reigns
> > >> > but the important part of developing this is impractical from here.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > on WP discussion
> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cals.eoa#Help_offer
> > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gnangarra#UOA
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >>
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Encyclopedia_of_Arkansas
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > already checked meta there isnt any chapters close by, nearest user
> > group
> > >> > is in North Carolina with a smaller area of interest, and the only
> > >> > experienced editors(10,000+ edits) listed on the en Wikiproject
> > Arkansas
> > >> > havent been active in the last 6 months
> > >> >
> > >> > --
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] help needed - Arkansas

[Gnangarra]

Thanks Chris for forwarding that along, yeah I agree edit count isnt an
ideal indicator yet its one measure that can be used from half a world away
to indicate experience and given the user I'm trying to help has ruffled
community feathers knowledge of and being known by the community is
important aspect that a high edit count user can add

On 14 October 2015 at 19:50, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> Have forwarded on to the GLAM outreach mailing list as there seems to be a
> public library service behind this.
>
> (I would observe that edit count and ability to do outreach don't
> necessarily correlate that well - someone with a few hundred edits can be a
> great contact point for a cultural institution and someone with tends of
> thousands can be a poor one... :) )
>
> Chris
>
> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 12:33 PM, Gnangarra  wrote:
>
> > Thanks John missed that option I have gone looked through those, again
> the
> > only high edit counts arent currently active still looking for someone
> who
> > can help theres no point spamming people nor asking people have very
> little
> > experience
> >
> > On 14 October 2015 at 19:13, John Mark Vandenberg 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I randomly clicked user pages in
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikipedians_in_Arkansas and
> > > found many 5,000+ currently editing Wikipedians, and one 40,000+
> > > editor.
> > >
> > > Sounds like hitting user_talk pages might be a better approach to
> > > finding suitable Wikipedians.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 9:58 PM, Craig Franklin
> > >  wrote:
> > > > This is not an especially helpful response.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,,
> > > > Craig
> > > >
> > > > On 14 October 2015 at 20:37, Jane Darnell  wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Arkansas is considered one of the "fly-over" states. Good luck
> > locating
> > > a
> > > >> Wikipedian somewhere around there, not to mention a Wikimedian.
> > > >>
> > > >> On Wed, Oct 14, 2015 at 7:38 AM, Gnangarra 
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> > G'day
> > > >> >
> > > >> > I have been contacted by an active Wikiproject Spam editor for
> help
> > > >> > (because I've recently been working with an editor here in Perth
> in
> > a
> > > >> > similar situation),  to talk to a user who appears to be linked to
> > the
> > > >> > Encyclopedia of Arkansas. The user is just adding links to EOA in
> > the
> > > >> > external links section of related articles, another user has asked
> > for
> > > >> the
> > > >> > links not to be blacklisted as its a good source.
> > > >> >
> > > >> > In these case the Australian chapter reaches out such editors as a
> > > >> personal
> > > >> > discussion over a coffee here works very effectively in turning
> this
> > > type
> > > >> > of contact into potential programmatic activities.  Being just
> > couple
> > > >> miles
> > > >> > too far way I was looking for someone closer who would be willing
> to
> > > >> > followup with this on a local level.  As I said in my offer of
> help
> > > I'm
> > > >> > happy to support and advise them that goes for who ever takes up
> the
> > > >> reigns
> > > >> > but the important part of developing this is impractical from
> here.
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > on WP discussion
> > > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Cals.eoa#Help_offer
> > > >> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Gnangarra#UOA
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >>
> > >
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Spam#Encyclopedia_of_Arkansas
> > > >> >
> > > >> >
> > > >> > already checked meta there isnt any chapters close by, nearest
> user
> > > group
> > > >> > is in North Carolina with a smaller area of interest, and the only
> > > >> > experienced editors(10,000+ edits) listed on the en Wikiproject
> > > Arkansas
> > > >> > havent been active in the last 6 months
> > > >> >
> > > >> > --
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> > > >> >
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