Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-13 Thread Lodewijk
Yeah, I kinda expected them to at least acknowledge the issue (which Dariusz did by the way, in his capacity as the chair of the committee responsible for this process) and outline a timeline for a response, or say there will be none. I see Fae wrote a similar email with such surprise. Lets see wh

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Lodewijk
I do agree in general that generic '+1' emails contribute very little. If you really want to thank someone, or welcome them, it probably makes a better impression if you write a little more than that. Say a few lines to introduce the list, give them a tip or offer them to show them around. Persona

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning

2016-01-13 Thread Pete Forsyth
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:07 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > On 2016-01-13 06:06, rupert THURNER wrote: > > Interesting summary, what are the three major outcomes of this plan, and >> one example what should not have gone into the plan? >> > > anybody can do it I agree! :) I enjoyed seeing yo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Gergo Tisza
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 9:17 AM, Chris Keating wrote: > > To me, "Hello" and "Thank you" are quite under-used words on this list (in > the movement generally but particularly here) so I would prefer we didn't > rule these emails out. > > After all, if we remove pile-on positive threads that contai

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Andrea Zanni
I agree with Chris too! Thank you Chris! Aubrey. Il 13/gen/2016 22:32 "Shabab Mustafa" ha scritto: > And "thank you" Fæ, for brining this up! [pun intended] [sarcasm alert] > [weapons down] > > Pardon my poor sense of humour, but I couldn't resist! :P > > I believe "thank you" and "please" are m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)

2016-01-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:28 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter >> My impression is therefore that some sort of a preparatory work is needed >> to avoid these two traps. Ideally, there would be a drafting group with a >> broad representation (pos

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Shabab Mustafa
And "thank you" Fæ, for brining this up! [pun intended] [sarcasm alert] [weapons down] Pardon my poor sense of humour, but I couldn't resist! :P I believe "thank you" and "please" are magic words, specially in voluntary works. I agree with Chris. On Jan 13, 2016 5:11 PM, "Fæ" wrote: > TL;DR > C

[Wikimedia-l] Help us keep #1lib1ref energized through January 23!

2016-01-13 Thread Alex Stinson
Hi Wikimedians! The Wikipedia Library is really excited about the #1lib1ref campaign taking off -- we seem to have found a concept that will excite the global libraries community to talk more with us, about our common mission: helping the world get access to reliable knowledge. Please explore the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Peter Southwood
I totally second this. Peter -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Fæ Sent: Wednesday, 13 January 2016 1:11 PM To: Wikimedia Mailing List Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam TL;DR Can anyone suggest of a better way of publi

[Wikimedia-l] Advisory Board and Board-appointed seats (was: Beyond the Board)

2016-01-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > I've been also thinking about revitalizing our Advisory Board - the way I > would like to see it would be dividing it into (a) community (b) tech and > (c) academic subgroups, available for immediate consulting and feedback. Long time a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Milos Rancic
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 6:17 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > To me, "Hello" and "Thank you" are quite under-used words on this list (in > the movement generally but particularly here) so I would prefer we didn't > rule these emails out. > > After all, if we remove pile-on positive threads that contain

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Chris Keating
To me, "Hello" and "Thank you" are quite under-used words on this list (in the movement generally but particularly here) so I would prefer we didn't rule these emails out. After all, if we remove pile-on positive threads that contain little information then pile-on negative threads with equally li

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The drawback is that not everyone has the inclination to read everything on Meta as well. At some stage it is just too much. By insisting on silence, the silence may become overwhelming and it increases the notion that this list is only for polical tigers. Thanks, GerardM On 13 January 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning

2016-01-13 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2016-01-13 06:06, rupert THURNER wrote: Interesting summary, what are the three major outcomes of this plan, and one example what should not have gone into the plan? I do not know. It was six years ago after all, and I was not involved in drafting of the final plan. I can of course re-

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-13 Thread
Dear Patricio Lorente, My open letter to the board was six days ago. Could you please take the following three actions? 1. Acknowledge my open letter sent to you and the board and its request. This is a courtesy I would expect of the WMF board chair that needs no discussion or trustee decision ma

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread Asaf Bartov
+1 from me too, and to not be spammy myself, I'll add: one very appropriate way to do welcomes and thanks is *on-wiki*. Notes welcoming people (or announcing new boards etc.) should, as a matter of habit, include a wiki URL (the user's page, or the affiliate's page, etc.), where people would be i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google

2016-01-13 Thread geni
On 9 January 2016 at 08:22, Lodewijk wrote: > I suspect they need a few days, based on past experiences. To dig into the > matter, and prepare an answer relevant parties can agree on. > > Lodewijk > > They've had a few days. Any further speculation? -- geni ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)

2016-01-13 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 11:17 AM, Yaroslav M. Blanter wrote: > > there have been several discussions over the years, and those which I > remember (the first one was Lodewijk's proposal in 2008? 2009?) were either > rejected/not endorsed by the board, or got stalled on meta with no > consensus.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)

2016-01-13 Thread Pharos
On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > > > Denny, thanks for supporting this issue moving on. Before few remarks > > I would respond inline, I want to say that the *draft* of the idea to > > make community assembly hav

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)

2016-01-13 Thread Yaroslav M. Blanter
On 2016-01-13 16:32, Dariusz Jemielniak wrote: On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: I think it is a good idea to have a sort of community council. To give credit, Guy Kawasaki just recently proposed something along these lines in internal discussions. My first take is that

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Conference 2016 - Registration closes in two days!

2016-01-13 Thread Daniela Gentner
Dear Wikimedians, The deadline to register for the Wikimedia Conference 2016 closes in two days! For getting into the mood and to enhance the anticipation for the conference, please review the current list of participants [1]. Today we have 44 affiliations whose representatives have registered f

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Beyond the Board (was: WMF trustee Arnnon Geshuri and part in anticompetitive agreements in Google)

2016-01-13 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 8:33 PM, Milos Rancic wrote: > Denny, thanks for supporting this issue moving on. Before few remarks > I would respond inline, I want to say that the *draft* of the idea to > make community assembly have been published by Pharos: > > https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Strategic planning

2016-01-13 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
13.01.2016 2:48 AM "Vituzzu" napisał(a): > > Yep, since the second one is, eventually, way to pursue the first one. I agree in principle, while I think it would yet be unwise to delay WMF strategic planning and community consultations this year. However, I think it would be really good to think

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread MF-Warburg
As a mostly silent reader of this list, I'd like to spammingly +1 this message. There's hardly anything more superfluous than these "Welcome from Wikimedia Schleswig-Holstein as well" mails. Am 13.01.2016 12:12 schrieb "Fæ" : > TL;DR > Can anyone suggest of a better way of publicly logging tha

[Wikimedia-l] Better thankspam

2016-01-13 Thread
TL;DR Can anyone suggest of a better way of publicly logging thanks, hellos & goodbyes for our public email lists? BACKGROUND Wikimedia lists are probably unique in the number of emails over a year which 'thankspam'. For example there is a pattern set that an awful lot of chapter representatives s

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Offlist Re: In Support of Community

2016-01-13 Thread Chris Keating
Ok, spot the idiot who can't send an offlist email offlist. On 13 Jan 2016 09:38, "Chris Keating" wrote: > That's what the Googleplex wants you to think! > On 13 Jan 2016 00:56, "Asaf Bartov" wrote: > > > (perhaps it would be nice to stop wasting everyone's time with this.) > > > >A. > > > >

[Wikimedia-l] Offlist Re: In Support of Community

2016-01-13 Thread Chris Keating
That's what the Googleplex wants you to think! On 13 Jan 2016 00:56, "Asaf Bartov" wrote: > (perhaps it would be nice to stop wasting everyone's time with this.) > >A. > > On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Nathan wrote: > > > I've written a guess on what Damon is hinting at. I will reveal thi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] How To Recover From Having Made A Mistake [a reminder]

2016-01-13 Thread Ad Huikeshoven
Hi All, and Asaf, Thanks for the advice Asaf. I've made a mistake and processed steps 1 and 2. Step 3 - what the mistake was, as precisely as possible (e.g. not "I used bad judgment" but "I neglected to look at relevant data before deciding to fund Wikimedia Antarctica"); I failed to we