Re: [Wikimedia-l] ArticlePlaceholder now live on first 4 Wikipedias

[Biyanto Rebin]

Yeay,

Goodluck for Wikidata Team. Looking forward for Indonesian regional
language version :)

Regards,

2016-05-12 2:48 GMT+07:00 Lydia Pintscher :

> Hi everyone :)
>
> Last year Lucie started working on the ArticlePlaceholder (
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder) in order to
> fullfill Wikidata's promise of supporting especially the smaller
> Wikipedias. Today we have rolled it out on the first 4 Wikipedias:
> Esperanto, Haitian Creole, Neapolitan and Odia. When someone searches for a
> topic where no local article exists but Wikidata has data we will show an
> ArticlePlaceholder with this information and encourage the reader to create
> an article. I hope this will help these Wikipedias by offering their
> readers more content and by turning more of them into active editors.
>
> In order for the feature to work well we need labels for items and
> properties in these languages on Wikidata. A lot exist already but if you
> want to help out you can find items and properties that need labels in
> these languages at https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator and
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListProperties.
>
> What we rolled out today as usual is a first version. Based on the feedback
> from those 4 Wikipedias we will expand and improve it. One of the next
> things we will do is add the option to translate an article from another
> language if it exists using the Content Translation tool and fix known
> bugs. Things we know are still broken or need work:
> * language fallbacks in the properties are not working so you will see a
> lot of P1234 and so on until a label is added on Wikidata in that language
> * long identifiers break out of the identifier box on the right side and
> don't look good
> * right now you only get an ArticlePlaceholder in the search results when
> Wikidata has at least 3 links to other Wikimedia projects and 3 statements.
> We might need to tweak this number still based on feedback from the first
> Wikipedias. We limit this in order to not encourage readers to create an
> article that will be deleted right after they created it because it isn't
> notable.
>
> Here are some example pages:
> * Odia:
>
> https://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AC%AC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%B6%E0%AD%87%E0%AC%B7:AboutTopic?entityid=Q131074
> * Napolitan:
> https://nap.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A0le:AboutTopic?entityid=Q2613697
> * Esperanto:
> https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciala%C4%B5o:AboutTopic?entityid=Q12345
> * Haitian Creole:
> https://ht.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:AboutTopic?entityid=Q12345
>
> I'm really excited about making true on one of Wikidata's biggest promises.
>
> Cheers
> Lydia
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> Product Manager for Wikidata
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[MZMcBride]

Steven Walling wrote:
>It's really great to see Wikipedia highlighted as a source for news and
>current events. It's rare that people fully recognize the degree to which
>the "encyclopedia" is actually very good at trending news information.
>That said, the report paints a rosy picture that, strategically speaking,
>may not be cause for celebration.

Does the Knight Foundation disclose somewhere in this report that it's a
donor to the Wikimedia Foundation?

Comparing Wikipedia to sites like BuzzFeed and CNN seems to be a pretty
classic case of comparing apples to oranges.

>Neglecting to show people the value of the apps will help grow mobile web
>traffic in the short term, but in the long run may leave us entirely
>dependent on search (i.e. Google) or simply not growing readers, despite
>millions of people still coming online via mobile.

Can you elaborate on the value of the apps? HTTP is a free and open
standard with very wide support. iOS is closed and proprietary. Maybe you
can explain how investing resources into the latter aligns with
Wikimedia's values?

Personally, I say hasten the day that we abolish the horrible "m." from
our URLs and MobileFrontend from our servers.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[Tilman Bayer]

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Steven Walling
 wrote:
> It's really great to see Wikipedia highlighted as a source for news and
> current events. It's rare that people fully recognize the degree to which
> the "encyclopedia" is actually very good at trending news information. That
> said, the report paints a rosy picture that, strategically speaking, may
> not be cause for celebration.
>
> Remember that, when looking at pageviews, we're a little over 40% mobile.
> Most other major Internet properties are now primarily mobile, and that's
> where most media consumption is even in once desktop-centric markets like
> the US.(1)
>
> Has Dario or anyone done an update on the traffic analysis from 2014,(2)
> where we concluded that declining desktop traffic in mature markets like
> the US was not being offset by mobile web?
Yes, in the February metrics meeting
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=File%3AWMF_Metrics_%26_Activities_Meeting_February_2016.pdf&page=40
, see also 
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_monthly_pageviews_(worldwide,_mobile_vs_desktop),_2013-2016.png
). We left out the US-specific part, but still discussed how
mobile/desktop has been developing in the Global North vs. the Global
South.

> What's the current state of the
> world when it comes to Wikipedia mobile traffic, overall and broken down by
> app vs. mobile web?
Last week about 45% of our pageviews were on mobile web and a bit over
1% came from the apps. See also the readership metrics reports
(https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikimedia_readership_metrics_reports
).

>
> It seems obvious that part of the reason Wikipedia is so popular on mobile
> web is because we're an odd duck -- Wikimedia is one of the only top media
> orgs not doing any kind of app upsell at all on mobile web. The vast
> majority of major Internet properties heavily push app installs and usage
> to varying degrees of aggressiveness. This directly sacrifices mobile web
> traffic for a longterm gain in reader retention.
>
> The linked report shows that Wikipedia app users are much more engaged --
> avg time spent per person in the Wikipedia app is more than double that of
> mobile web, according to their data -- but the number of app users is
> ridiculously tiny, relatively speaking.(3)
True. At the same time (which doesn't negate your point), it's also
worth being aware that absolutely speaking, the Wikipedia app(s) still
had more monthly US users than those of Buzzfeed, USA Today and Fox
News, according to the study.

> In commercial apps, prioritizing
> long term retention of app users is good for a business. They can then be
> converted to subscribers, purchase in-app upgrades, or click on ads. In the
> Wikimedia context, greater mobile retention and time spent could be used to
> teach people to contribute, and to facilitate less aggressive forms of
> mobile fundraising than we've previously had to do. Not to mention
> providing readers with faster direct access to knowledge, and doing a
> better job of teaching mobile-first US in emerging markets what Wikipedia
> is.
Food for thought. (CCing the Mobile-l list again)

>
> Neglecting to show people the value of the apps will help grow mobile web
> traffic in the short term, but in the long run may leave us entirely
> dependent on search (i.e. Google) or simply not growing readers, despite
> millions of people still coming online via mobile. In the report data you
> can see that most of the US news sites mentioned are dependent on Facebook,
> even if they have an app. Unlike them, Wikipedia has an opportunity to get
> away from being dependent on another source for readers, and be one of the
> primary apps that every person on the planet uses, alongside Facebook,
> messaging tools, and similar. Right now, we're squandering that
> opportunity, and it's going to get harder to change as time goes on.
>
> 1.
> http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/21/majority-of-digital-media-consumption-now-takes-place-in-mobile-apps/
> 2.
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014_Readership_Update,_WMF_Metrics_Meeting,_December.pdf
> 3.
> https://medium.com/mobile-first-news-how-people-use-smartphones-to/news-goes-mobile-how-people-use-smartphones-to-access-information-53ccb850d80a#.ofpb8txup
>
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 12:50 PM Michael Peel  wrote:
>
>> Isn't it time to start moving to responsive mediawiki templates (
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design), rather than having
>> a separate mobile interface/URL?
>>
>> For a practical example, see the BBC News website (
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news), which is the same website on all devices, it
>> just rescales the content/navigation/layout to suit the device. (Try
>> resizing your web browser on your computer to the size of a mobile web
>> browser to see what I mean.)
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Mike
>>
>> > On 11 May 2016, at 20:36, Gerard Meijssen 
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hoi,
>> > It is wonderful to see how we have evolved.. Does anyone remember

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[Steven Walling]

It's really great to see Wikipedia highlighted as a source for news and
current events. It's rare that people fully recognize the degree to which
the "encyclopedia" is actually very good at trending news information. That
said, the report paints a rosy picture that, strategically speaking, may
not be cause for celebration.

Remember that, when looking at pageviews, we're a little over 40% mobile.
Most other major Internet properties are now primarily mobile, and that's
where most media consumption is even in once desktop-centric markets like
the US.(1)

Has Dario or anyone done an update on the traffic analysis from 2014,(2)
where we concluded that declining desktop traffic in mature markets like
the US was not being offset by mobile web? What's the current state of the
world when it comes to Wikipedia mobile traffic, overall and broken down by
app vs. mobile web?

It seems obvious that part of the reason Wikipedia is so popular on mobile
web is because we're an odd duck -- Wikimedia is one of the only top media
orgs not doing any kind of app upsell at all on mobile web. The vast
majority of major Internet properties heavily push app installs and usage
to varying degrees of aggressiveness. This directly sacrifices mobile web
traffic for a longterm gain in reader retention.

The linked report shows that Wikipedia app users are much more engaged --
avg time spent per person in the Wikipedia app is more than double that of
mobile web, according to their data -- but the number of app users is
ridiculously tiny, relatively speaking.(3) In commercial apps, prioritizing
long term retention of app users is good for a business. They can then be
converted to subscribers, purchase in-app upgrades, or click on ads. In the
Wikimedia context, greater mobile retention and time spent could be used to
teach people to contribute, and to facilitate less aggressive forms of
mobile fundraising than we've previously had to do. Not to mention
providing readers with faster direct access to knowledge, and doing a
better job of teaching mobile-first US in emerging markets what Wikipedia
is.

Neglecting to show people the value of the apps will help grow mobile web
traffic in the short term, but in the long run may leave us entirely
dependent on search (i.e. Google) or simply not growing readers, despite
millions of people still coming online via mobile. In the report data you
can see that most of the US news sites mentioned are dependent on Facebook,
even if they have an app. Unlike them, Wikipedia has an opportunity to get
away from being dependent on another source for readers, and be one of the
primary apps that every person on the planet uses, alongside Facebook,
messaging tools, and similar. Right now, we're squandering that
opportunity, and it's going to get harder to change as time goes on.

1.
http://techcrunch.com/2014/08/21/majority-of-digital-media-consumption-now-takes-place-in-mobile-apps/
2.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:2014_Readership_Update,_WMF_Metrics_Meeting,_December.pdf
3.
https://medium.com/mobile-first-news-how-people-use-smartphones-to/news-goes-mobile-how-people-use-smartphones-to-access-information-53ccb850d80a#.ofpb8txup

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 12:50 PM Michael Peel  wrote:

> Isn't it time to start moving to responsive mediawiki templates (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design), rather than having
> a separate mobile interface/URL?
>
> For a practical example, see the BBC News website (
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news), which is the same website on all devices, it
> just rescales the content/navigation/layout to suit the device. (Try
> resizing your web browser on your computer to the size of a mobile web
> browser to see what I mean.)
>
> Thanks,
> Mike
>
> > On 11 May 2016, at 20:36, Gerard Meijssen 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hoi,
> > It is wonderful to see how we have evolved.. Does anyone remember the
> good
> > old days when it was an application totally and utterly outside of
> > MediaWiki?
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> >
> > On 11 May 2016 at 20:33, Pine W  wrote:
> >
> >> Forwarding since this may be of general interest regarding Wikipedia
> >> readership.
> >>
> >> Thanks Tilman!
> >>
> >> Pine
> >>
> >> -- Forwarded message --
> >> From: Tilman Bayer 
> >> Date: Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM
> >> Subject: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in
> terms
> >> of popularity"
> >> To: mobile-l 
> >> Cc: Wikimedia developers , Analytics
> Team
> >> -
> >> Internal 
> >>
> >>
> >> New study (US only) by the Knight Foundation:
> >> https://medium.com/mobile-first-news-how-people-use-smartphones-to ,
> >> summarized here:
> >>
> >>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/people-love-wikipedia/482268/
> >>
> >> "People spent more time on Wikipedia’s mobile site than any other news
> >> or information site in Knight’s analysis, about 13 minutes per month
> >> for the average visitor. CNN wasn’t too far behind, at 9 minutes 45
> >> seconds pe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [WikimediaMobile] Fwd: "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[Jon Katz]

Hi,
For those of you following who I haven't worked with before, I am the lead
product manager for the reading team.

I think James is right that the content is a primary barrier and its an
issue we are exploring across both reading and editing.  For what its
worth, this applies not just to the web but to all non-desktop usage,
including apps and 3rd party developers. I believe our 3rd meeting on the
topic is tomorrow morning and Moushira just posted this invitation to
participate more broadly on wiki:
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Reading/Mobile_Friendly_Content.

Whether we end up getting rid of the mobile site or follow another path
towards unity is an open question.

Another big barrier to having a single site and one we have to address
regardless, is how we add advanced tools to mobile without crushing the
average user.  Over the years the desktop site has accumulated many useful
features/tools and this is reflected in the various rich options on the
desktop site. Mobile screen real estate, however, is much more limited and
the affordances are quite different.  So far, we have focused on a simple
experience because we know we can't mush the entire left-hand navigation
field into the mobile menu or provide the same list of 40+ settings that
are on desktop.  This has provided us with a remarkable experiment in
reading that at least anecdotally suggests most readers prefer a simpler
experience.

However, it does not yet work well for editors and certainly not for more
advanced contributions. So, we need to figure out how we can maintain the
pathway from reader --> contributor on mobile without generating a user
experience nightmare.  One of our big challenges in creating a unified
experience is figuring out how we move someone from a basic reading view to
a first-time editor view, to a power-user-genius view in a way that entices
a potential contributor and optimizes the experience for everyone else.
There are multiple options on the table here and I think it's going to be a
long conversation ;)

Thanks,

J

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 2:25 PM, James Forrester 
wrote:

> On 11 May 2016 at 14:20, Michael Peel  wrote:
>
>> I'm hoping that having a responsive skin for the webpages isn't too far
>> off, though?
>>
>
> Reading can answer that better than I; however, making the skin itself ​is
> only part of the issue – you also would want to scrap m.wikimedia.org
> *etc. *​Right now, the mobile sites have to make massive changes to the
> content to make it fit on​ a mobile screen (and even then can't fix some
> things, like tables). Giving mobile users a responsive skin whilst the
> contents weren't appropriate wouldn't make anyone happy. Until the contents
> of at least most the millions of pages of Wikimedia wikis' projects are
> mobile-safe, we can't reasonably get rid of the mobile "site".
>
> J.
> --
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> Lead Product Manager, Editing
> Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Annette Campbell-White joins the Wikimedia Endowment Advisory Board

[Lisa Gruwell]

I wanted to share with you an announcement
 I
just posted to the Wikimedia blog. The WMF Board of Trustees has appointed
Annette Campbell-White as one of the founding members of the Wikimedia
Endowment Advisory Board.

Annette has been a supporter of WMF since 2010.  She frequently attends our
events and a few staff members have gotten to know her.  We could not be
more thrilled to have her stepping up her involvement and sharing her
expertise for the benefit of the movement.

As background on the the process: In December, the WMF board passed a
resolution 
creating the endowment.  As part of that, they are appointing the first
three founding members of the Endowment Advisory Board.   Jimmy Wales was
appointed in December and the board appointed Annette Campbell-White at
their meeting last month in Berlin.

If you have thoughts on the endowment, this is still a good place on meta
 to have a discussion.

Please join me in welcoming and congratulating Annette!

Best,

Lisa Gruwell
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] REMINDER: Invitation to upcoming office hours with WMF interim Executive Director

[Joseph Seddon]

A reminder that this is currently happening now:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazXyL-Ybjo - WMF Executive Director Office
Hours

Regards

Seddon

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 6:22 PM, Gregory Varnum 
wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> A quick reminder that the first office hours with Wikimedia Foundation’s
> interim Executive Director, Katherine Maher, is coming up in the next day
> (roughly).
>
> Apologies for confusion on the time, here is the time for the first
> session, being held via video:
> Thursday, 12 May 2016 - 00:00-01:00 UTC | Wednesday, 11 May 2016 -
> 17:00-18:00 PDT
>
> You are invited to ask questions and offer suggestions to Katherine on
> this Meta-Wiki page (which also has additional information on the office
> hours):
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours
>
> You can join us and ask questions during the session via Blue Jeans:
> https://bluejeans.com/198076339
>
> The session will also be available for streaming on YouTube:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazXyL-Ybjo
>
> We look forward to talking with folks soon!
> -greg
>
> Translation notice - This original message is available for translation on
> Meta-Wiki:
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours/Announcement
>
> ---
> Gregory Varnum
> Communications Strategist (Contractor)
> Wikimedia Foundation
> gvar...@wikimedia.org
>
> > On May 4, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Katherine Maher 
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > **Summary: I am delighted to invite you to join me for two upcoming
> office
> > hours, where I’ll answer community questions and share updates on the
> > Foundation’s work.**
> >
> > It’s been a busy few weeks around the Wikimedia Foundation offices. We
> > shared our 2016-2017 annual plan, finished our quarterly reviews, and
> > attended Wikimedia Conference 2016 in Berlin with the Wikimedia
> affiliates.
> > [1]
> >
> > In Berlin, I had the chance to do one of my favorite things: sit with
> > Wikimedians, listen, debate, and plan for the future. Of course, Berlin
> is
> > just one gathering, and there are thousands of other perspectives out
> > there. I want to hear more of these perspectives, and so I’m looking
> > forward to hosting two office hours over the coming weeks.
> >
> > We plan to hold a traditional office hours on IRC, and will also
> experiment
> > with a video Q&A. We hope these different formats will make it easier for
> > more people to participate using their preferred communications channels.
> > We’ve chosen two different time zones, with the goal of reaching as many
> > people as possible. They are as follows:
> >
> > *Video session*
> > *This session will be recorded, and the video will be posted on
> > Commons/Meta. Due to video conferencing limitations, we encourage advance
> > questions.*
> > Wednesday, 11 May 2016
> > 00:00-1:00 UTC | 17:00-18:00 PDT [2]
> >
> > *IRC session*
> > *This session follows the May monthly metrics meeting.[4] Like other
> office
> > hours, it will be held in #Wikimedia-office on Freenode.*
> > Thursday, 26 May 2016
> > 19:00-20:00 UTC | 12:00-13:00 PDT [3]
> >
> > We’re also collecting questions in advance for those who can’t make
> either
> > of those sessions. We’ve created a page on Meta where you can leave
> > questions or comments, check the details on the location of each session:
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours
> >
> > Please share this invitation with others you think may be interested!
> >
> > I look forward to speaking soon,
> > Katherine
> >
> > Translation notice - This message is available for translation on
> > Meta-Wiki:
> >
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours/Announcement
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Conference_2016
> > [2] Time converter link:
> >
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=0&min=00&sec=0&day=12&month=05&year=2016
> > [3] Time converter link:
> >
> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?hour=19&min=00&sec=0&day=26&month=05&year=2016
> > [4] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WMF_Metrics_and_activities_meetings
> >
> >
> > --
> > Katherine Maher
> >
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> > 149 New Montgomery Street
> > San Francisco, CA 94105
> >
> > +1 (415) 839-6885 ext. 6635
> > +1 (415) 712 4873
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board meeting minutes

[Richard Ames]

Also please consider adding times to the minutes.

The meeting opening time was there it would be useful to know the
times when people join and leave the meeting, when the meeting goes
into 'executive session' and when the meeting closes.

Regards, Richard.


On Thu, May 12, 2016 at 5:37 AM, Brill Lyle  wrote:
> Also, a request:
>
> Please add:


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[Wikimedia-l] SOON: Video office hours with WMF interim Executive Director

[Gregory Varnum]

Greetings,

The first office hours with Wikimedia Foundation’s interim Executive Director, 
Katherine Maher, will begin in about 80 minutes.

Apologies for confusion on the time, here is the time for the first session, 
being held via video:
Thursday, 12 May 2016 - 00:00-01:00 UTC | Wednesday, 11 May 2016 - 17:00-18:00 
PDT

You can join us and ask questions during the session via Blue Jeans:  
https://bluejeans.com/198076339

The session will also be available for streaming on YouTube:  
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazXyL-Ybjo

Etherpad that has been setup for notes:  
https://etherpad.wikimedia.org/p/May_2016_-_WMF_ED_May_2016_video_office_hours

More info:  
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours

We look forward to talking with folks soon!
-greg

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> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Gregory Varnum 
> Subject: REMINDER: Invitation to upcoming office hours with WMF interim 
> Executive Director
> Date: May 10, 2016 at 1:22:24 PM EDT
> To: Wikimedia Mailing List , Wikimedia 
> developers , Wikimedia Movement Affiliates 
> discussion list 
> Cc: "Staff (All)" 
> 
> Greetings,
> 
> A quick reminder that the first office hours with Wikimedia Foundation’s 
> interim Executive Director, Katherine Maher, is coming up in the next day 
> (roughly).
> 
> Apologies for confusion on the time, here is the time for the first session, 
> being held via video:
> Thursday, 12 May 2016 - 00:00-01:00 UTC | Wednesday, 11 May 2016 - 
> 17:00-18:00 PDT
> 
> You are invited to ask questions and offer suggestions to Katherine on this 
> Meta-Wiki page (which also has additional information on the office hours):  
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours
> 
> You can join us and ask questions during the session via Blue Jeans:  
> https://bluejeans.com/198076339
> 
> The session will also be available for streaming on YouTube:  
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XazXyL-Ybjo
> 
> We look forward to talking with folks soon!
> -greg
> 
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> Gregory Varnum
> Communications Strategist (Contractor)
> Wikimedia Foundation
> gvar...@wikimedia.org
> 
>> On May 4, 2016, at 8:47 PM, Katherine Maher  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> **Summary: I am delighted to invite you to join me for two upcoming office
>> hours, where I’ll answer community questions and share updates on the
>> Foundation’s work.**
>> 
>> It’s been a busy few weeks around the Wikimedia Foundation offices. We
>> shared our 2016-2017 annual plan, finished our quarterly reviews, and
>> attended Wikimedia Conference 2016 in Berlin with the Wikimedia affiliates.
>> [1]
>> 
>> In Berlin, I had the chance to do one of my favorite things: sit with
>> Wikimedians, listen, debate, and plan for the future. Of course, Berlin is
>> just one gathering, and there are thousands of other perspectives out
>> there. I want to hear more of these perspectives, and so I’m looking
>> forward to hosting two office hours over the coming weeks.
>> 
>> We plan to hold a traditional office hours on IRC, and will also experiment
>> with a video Q&A. We hope these different formats will make it easier for
>> more people to participate using their preferred communications channels.
>> We’ve chosen two different time zones, with the goal of reaching as many
>> people as possible. They are as follows:
>> 
>> *Video session*
>> *This session will be recorded, and the video will be posted on
>> Commons/Meta. Due to video conferencing limitations, we encourage advance
>> questions.*
>> Wednesday, 11 May 2016
>> 00:00-1:00 UTC | 17:00-18:00 PDT [2]
>> 
>> *IRC session*
>> *This session follows the May monthly metrics meeting.[4] Like other office
>> hours, it will be held in #Wikimedia-office on Freenode.*
>> Thursday, 26 May 2016
>> 19:00-20:00 UTC | 12:00-13:00 PDT [3]
>> 
>> We’re also collecting questions in advance for those who can’t make either
>> of those sessions. We’ve created a page on Meta where you can leave
>> questions or comments, check the details on the location of each session:
>> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Executive_Director/May_2016_office_hours
>> 
>> Please share this invitation with others you think may be interested!
>> 
>> I look forward to speaking soon,
>> Katherine
>> 
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[James Forrester]

On 11 May 2016 at 14:20, Michael Peel  wrote:

> I'm hoping that having a responsive skin for the webpages isn't too far
> off, though?
>

Reading can answer that better than I; however, making the skin itself ​is
only part of the issue – you also would want to scrap m.wikimedia.org
*etc. *​Right now, the mobile sites have to make massive changes to the
content to make it fit on​ a mobile screen (and even then can't fix some
things, like tables). Giving mobile users a responsive skin whilst the
contents weren't appropriate wouldn't make anyone happy. Until the contents
of at least most the millions of pages of Wikimedia wikis' projects are
mobile-safe, we can't reasonably get rid of the mobile "site".

J.
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Lead Product Manager, Editing
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[Michael Peel]

> On 11 May 2016, at 22:07, James Forrester  wrote:
> 
> On 11 May 2016 at 12:50, Michael Peel  wrote:
> 
>> Isn't it time to start moving to responsive mediawiki templates (
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design), rather than having
>> a separate mobile interface/URL?
> 
> 
>> For a practical example, see the BBC News website (
>> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news), which is the same website on all devices, it
>> just rescales the content/navigation/layout to suit the device. (Try
>> resizing your web browser on your computer to the size of a mobile web
>> browser to see what I mean.)
>> 
> 
> ​Hey Mike,
> 
> I think you're confusing two things – a single skin with responsive design
> for all users on all devices, which is a long-term ambition, but for the
> Reading department to talk about :-) – and responsive templates for
> content, which we're working on in terms of scoped styling for templates
> through TemplateStyles (
> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles, though by "we" I
> mostly mean Coren as a volunteer developer). This second one is going
> through security review right now, but once that's complete we'll enable it
> for testing and gradual roll-out.
> 
> Scoped styling of templates will let template authors make their templates
> work on any sized device, which will massively improve the terrible
> experience from templates like infoboxes, navboxes, amboxes, and especially
> one-off templates like those used by the Signpost. However, it'll need a
> concerted effort from all of us to re-write and improve all the thousands
> of templates across our hundreds of wikis to make this a reality. It
> requires judgement, æsthetics and expertise, and so isn't something that
> can be done automatically by software. It's a big effort, but it's going to
> be worth it. :-)

When I said templates here I meant skins - sorry for using confusing/outdated 
terminology (back when I was last developing website skins, they were called 
templates!). It's great to hear that they're being worked on - mediawiki 
template styles are definitely something that need improving in the near future 
(hopefully along with table styles, since they are currently horribly displayed 
on mobiles). I'm hoping that having a responsive skin for the webpages isn't 
too far off, though?

Thanks,
Mike
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[James Forrester]

On 11 May 2016 at 12:50, Michael Peel  wrote:

> Isn't it time to start moving to responsive mediawiki templates (
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design), rather than having
> a separate mobile interface/URL?


> For a practical example, see the BBC News website (
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news), which is the same website on all devices, it
> just rescales the content/navigation/layout to suit the device. (Try
> resizing your web browser on your computer to the size of a mobile web
> browser to see what I mean.)
>

​Hey Mike,

I think you're confusing two things – a single skin with responsive design
for all users on all devices, which is a long-term ambition, but for the
Reading department to talk about :-) – and responsive templates for
content, which we're working on in terms of scoped styling for templates
through TemplateStyles (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles, though by "we" I
mostly mean Coren as a volunteer developer). This second one is going
through security review right now, but once that's complete we'll enable it
for testing and gradual roll-out.

Scoped styling of templates will let template authors make their templates
work on any sized device, which will massively improve the terrible
experience from templates like infoboxes, navboxes, amboxes, and especially
one-off templates like those used by the Signpost. However, it'll need a
concerted effort from all of us to re-write and improve all the thousands
of templates across our hundreds of wikis to make this a reality. It
requires judgement, æsthetics and expertise, and so isn't something that
can be done automatically by software. It's a big effort, but it's going to
be worth it. :-)

J.
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Lead Product Manager, Editing
Wikimedia Foundation, Inc.

jforres...@wikimedia.org | @jdforrester
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[Michael Peel]

Isn't it time to start moving to responsive mediawiki templates 
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Responsive_web_design), rather than having a 
separate mobile interface/URL?

For a practical example, see the BBC News website (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news), 
which is the same website on all devices, it just rescales the 
content/navigation/layout to suit the device. (Try resizing your web browser on 
your computer to the size of a mobile web browser to see what I mean.)

Thanks,
Mike

> On 11 May 2016, at 20:36, Gerard Meijssen  wrote:
> 
> Hoi,
> It is wonderful to see how we have evolved.. Does anyone remember the good
> old days when it was an application totally and utterly outside of
> MediaWiki?
> Thanks,
> GerardM
> 
> On 11 May 2016 at 20:33, Pine W  wrote:
> 
>> Forwarding since this may be of general interest regarding Wikipedia
>> readership.
>> 
>> Thanks Tilman!
>> 
>> Pine
>> 
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Tilman Bayer 
>> Date: Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM
>> Subject: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms
>> of popularity"
>> To: mobile-l 
>> Cc: Wikimedia developers , Analytics Team
>> -
>> Internal 
>> 
>> 
>> New study (US only) by the Knight Foundation:
>> https://medium.com/mobile-first-news-how-people-use-smartphones-to ,
>> summarized here:
>> 
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/people-love-wikipedia/482268/
>> 
>> "People spent more time on Wikipedia’s mobile site than any other news
>> or information site in Knight’s analysis, about 13 minutes per month
>> for the average visitor. CNN wasn’t too far behind, at 9 minutes 45
>> seconds per month. BuzzFeed clocked in third at 9 minutes 21 seconds
>> per month. (BuzzFeed, however, slays both CNN and Wikipedia in time
>> spent with the sites’ apps, compared with mobile websites. BuzzFeed
>> users devote more than 2 hours per month to its apps, compared with
>> about 46 minutes among CNN app users and 31 minutes among Wikipedia
>> app loyalists.)
>> 
>> Another way to look at Wikipedia’s influence: Wikipedia reaches almost
>> one-third of the total mobile population each month, according to
>> Knight’s analysis, which used data from the audience-tracking firm
>> Nielsen."
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Tilman Bayer
>> Senior Analyst
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>> IRC (Freenode): HaeB
>> 
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[Wikimedia-l] ArticlePlaceholder now live on first 4 Wikipedias

[Lydia Pintscher]

Hi everyone :)

Last year Lucie started working on the ArticlePlaceholder (
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ArticlePlaceholder) in order to
fullfill Wikidata's promise of supporting especially the smaller
Wikipedias. Today we have rolled it out on the first 4 Wikipedias:
Esperanto, Haitian Creole, Neapolitan and Odia. When someone searches for a
topic where no local article exists but Wikidata has data we will show an
ArticlePlaceholder with this information and encourage the reader to create
an article. I hope this will help these Wikipedias by offering their
readers more content and by turning more of them into active editors.

In order for the feature to work well we need labels for items and
properties in these languages on Wikidata. A lot exist already but if you
want to help out you can find items and properties that need labels in
these languages at https://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-terminator and
https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Special:ListProperties.

What we rolled out today as usual is a first version. Based on the feedback
from those 4 Wikipedias we will expand and improve it. One of the next
things we will do is add the option to translate an article from another
language if it exists using the Content Translation tool and fix known
bugs. Things we know are still broken or need work:
* language fallbacks in the properties are not working so you will see a
lot of P1234 and so on until a label is added on Wikidata in that language
* long identifiers break out of the identifier box on the right side and
don't look good
* right now you only get an ArticlePlaceholder in the search results when
Wikidata has at least 3 links to other Wikimedia projects and 3 statements.
We might need to tweak this number still based on feedback from the first
Wikipedias. We limit this in order to not encourage readers to create an
article that will be deleted right after they created it because it isn't
notable.

Here are some example pages:
* Odia:
https://or.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E0%AC%AC%E0%AC%BF%E0%AC%B6%E0%AD%87%E0%AC%B7:AboutTopic?entityid=Q131074
* Napolitan:
https://nap.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speci%C3%A0le:AboutTopic?entityid=Q2613697
* Esperanto:
https://eo.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciala%C4%B5o:AboutTopic?entityid=Q12345
* Haitian Creole:
https://ht.wikipedia.org/wiki/Espesyal:AboutTopic?entityid=Q12345

I'm really excited about making true on one of Wikidata's biggest promises.

Cheers
Lydia
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Product Manager for Wikidata

Wikimedia Deutschland e.V.
Tempelhofer Ufer 23-24
10963 Berlin
www.wikimedia.de

Wikimedia Deutschland - Gesellschaft zur Förderung Freien Wissens e. V.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
It is wonderful to see how we have evolved.. Does anyone remember the good
old days when it was an application totally and utterly outside of
MediaWiki?
Thanks,
 GerardM

On 11 May 2016 at 20:33, Pine W  wrote:

> Forwarding since this may be of general interest regarding Wikipedia
> readership.
>
> Thanks Tilman!
>
> Pine
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Tilman Bayer 
> Date: Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM
> Subject: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms
> of popularity"
> To: mobile-l 
> Cc: Wikimedia developers , Analytics Team
> -
> Internal 
>
>
> New study (US only) by the Knight Foundation:
> https://medium.com/mobile-first-news-how-people-use-smartphones-to ,
> summarized here:
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/people-love-wikipedia/482268/
>
> "People spent more time on Wikipedia’s mobile site than any other news
> or information site in Knight’s analysis, about 13 minutes per month
> for the average visitor. CNN wasn’t too far behind, at 9 minutes 45
> seconds per month. BuzzFeed clocked in third at 9 minutes 21 seconds
> per month. (BuzzFeed, however, slays both CNN and Wikipedia in time
> spent with the sites’ apps, compared with mobile websites. BuzzFeed
> users devote more than 2 hours per month to its apps, compared with
> about 46 minutes among CNN app users and 31 minutes among Wikipedia
> app loyalists.)
>
> Another way to look at Wikipedia’s influence: Wikipedia reaches almost
> one-third of the total mobile population each month, according to
> Knight’s analysis, which used data from the audience-tracking firm
> Nielsen."
>
>
> --
> Tilman Bayer
> Senior Analyst
> Wikimedia Foundation
> IRC (Freenode): HaeB
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Board meeting minutes

[Brill Lyle]

Also, a request:

Please add:
- User names (i.e., {{User0|BrillLyle}}
- Links to relevant topics of conversation (i.e., Code of Conduct and
Confidentiality Agreement) and events (i.e., WikiCite 2016)

The March meeting minutes are making me itchy -- I want to add these
links

Here at WM NYC we list user names with talk pages and links to relevant
topics and events at WM NYC Board and chapter meetings. It seems to be more
convenient for folks and is aligned with the desire for good will
transparency. Plus the user names won't change significantly so I often
have them in hidden text, then adjust for actual attendees.

But then some might consider me an over wikilinker, probably. :-)

- Erika
Also enjoy alphabetical order


*Erika Herzog*
Wikipedia *User:BrillLyle* 
Secretary, Wikimedia NYC


On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 2:34 AM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> I note that the minutes I requested in my posting yesterday were published
> two hours later [1] althought not linked from
> https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Meetings as one would expect, not
> were
> they announced on the mailing list.  While I am glad that this has finally
> happened, it is deplorable that it should require persistent public
> complaints to make such a simple and easy thing happen when it should have
> been entirely routine -- the situation is still quite unsatisfactory and I
> look forward to receiving a clear explanation from the people responsible.
>
> I note that the issue of minutes will "be discussed as an item proposed as
> one of the governance improvements".  I hope that this discussion will lead
> to action, which is what has been conspicuously lacking.  Is the Community
> involved in these proposals for governance improvement?
>
> Rogol
>
> [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Minutes/2016-03
>
>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[Habib M'henni]

Thanks Pine, as said, very interesting!

Best regards,
Habib

Le 11/05/2016 19:42, Ivan Martínez a écrit :
> Thanks for sharing Pine, quite interesting.
> Best,
> 
> 2016-05-11 13:33 GMT-05:00 Pine W :
> 
>> Forwarding since this may be of general interest regarding Wikipedia
>> readership.
>>
>> Thanks Tilman!
>>
>> Pine
>>
>> -- Forwarded message --
>> From: Tilman Bayer 
>> Date: Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM
>> Subject: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms
>> of popularity"
>> To: mobile-l 
>> Cc: Wikimedia developers , Analytics Team
>> -
>> Internal 
>>
>>
>> New study (US only) by the Knight Foundation:
>> https://medium.com/mobile-first-news-how-people-use-smartphones-to ,
>> summarized here:
>>
>> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/people-love-wikipedia/482268/
>>
>> "People spent more time on Wikipedia’s mobile site than any other news
>> or information site in Knight’s analysis, about 13 minutes per month
>> for the average visitor. CNN wasn’t too far behind, at 9 minutes 45
>> seconds per month. BuzzFeed clocked in third at 9 minutes 21 seconds
>> per month. (BuzzFeed, however, slays both CNN and Wikipedia in time
>> spent with the sites’ apps, compared with mobile websites. BuzzFeed
>> users devote more than 2 hours per month to its apps, compared with
>> about 46 minutes among CNN app users and 31 minutes among Wikipedia
>> app loyalists.)
>>
>> Another way to look at Wikipedia’s influence: Wikipedia reaches almost
>> one-third of the total mobile population each month, according to
>> Knight’s analysis, which used data from the audience-tracking firm
>> Nielsen."
>>
>>
>> --
>> Tilman Bayer
>> Senior Analyst
>> Wikimedia Foundation
>> IRC (Freenode): HaeB
>>
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> 
> 
> 
> 

-- 
.
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Membre fondateur de CLibre et Wikimedia TN User Group
http://about.me/habibmhenni
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Téléphone : +216 52232190
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[Ivan Martínez]

Thanks for sharing Pine, quite interesting.
Best,

2016-05-11 13:33 GMT-05:00 Pine W :

> Forwarding since this may be of general interest regarding Wikipedia
> readership.
>
> Thanks Tilman!
>
> Pine
>
> -- Forwarded message --
> From: Tilman Bayer 
> Date: Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM
> Subject: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms
> of popularity"
> To: mobile-l 
> Cc: Wikimedia developers , Analytics Team
> -
> Internal 
>
>
> New study (US only) by the Knight Foundation:
> https://medium.com/mobile-first-news-how-people-use-smartphones-to ,
> summarized here:
>
> http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/people-love-wikipedia/482268/
>
> "People spent more time on Wikipedia’s mobile site than any other news
> or information site in Knight’s analysis, about 13 minutes per month
> for the average visitor. CNN wasn’t too far behind, at 9 minutes 45
> seconds per month. BuzzFeed clocked in third at 9 minutes 21 seconds
> per month. (BuzzFeed, however, slays both CNN and Wikipedia in time
> spent with the sites’ apps, compared with mobile websites. BuzzFeed
> users devote more than 2 hours per month to its apps, compared with
> about 46 minutes among CNN app users and 31 minutes among Wikipedia
> app loyalists.)
>
> Another way to look at Wikipedia’s influence: Wikipedia reaches almost
> one-third of the total mobile population each month, according to
> Knight’s analysis, which used data from the audience-tracking firm
> Nielsen."
>
>
> --
> Tilman Bayer
> Senior Analyst
> Wikimedia Foundation
> IRC (Freenode): HaeB
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms of popularity"

[Pine W]

Forwarding since this may be of general interest regarding Wikipedia
readership.

Thanks Tilman!

Pine

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From: Tilman Bayer 
Date: Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:23 AM
Subject: [WikimediaMobile] "Among mobile sites, Wikipedia reigns in terms
of popularity"
To: mobile-l 
Cc: Wikimedia developers , Analytics Team -
Internal 


New study (US only) by the Knight Foundation:
https://medium.com/mobile-first-news-how-people-use-smartphones-to ,
summarized here:
http://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2016/05/people-love-wikipedia/482268/

"People spent more time on Wikipedia’s mobile site than any other news
or information site in Knight’s analysis, about 13 minutes per month
for the average visitor. CNN wasn’t too far behind, at 9 minutes 45
seconds per month. BuzzFeed clocked in third at 9 minutes 21 seconds
per month. (BuzzFeed, however, slays both CNN and Wikipedia in time
spent with the sites’ apps, compared with mobile websites. BuzzFeed
users devote more than 2 hours per month to its apps, compared with
about 46 minutes among CNN app users and 31 minutes among Wikipedia
app loyalists.)

Another way to look at Wikipedia’s influence: Wikipedia reaches almost
one-third of the total mobile population each month, according to
Knight’s analysis, which used data from the audience-tracking firm
Nielsen."


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

[Biplab Anand]

Congratulations Christophe and Nataliia!

Regards
Biplab Anand
Maithili Wikimedians
On 11 May 2016 16:18, "Alice Wiegand"  wrote:

> Congratulations also from the Board, Nataliia and Christoph!
> Thanks to the facilitators and all candidates for your commitment and for
> sharing your thoughts about your new role with all of us in answering the
> questions from the community.
> We are looking forward to welcoming you at our Board meeting at Wikimania!
>
> Alice.
>
>
> On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Chris Keating 
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Wikimedians,
> >
> > We are writing to let you know the result of the election for the 2
> > Affiliate Selected Board Seats on the Wikimedia Foundation board.
> >
> > The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia Tymkiv.*
> >
> > A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the Macedonia
> and
> > Macau chapters - which is a record.
> >
> > The number of first preferences received by each candidate was as
> follows:
> >
> > Christophe Henner (9.00);
> > Siska Doviana (6.75);
> > Jan Ainali (5.50);
> > Osmar Valdebenito (5.50);
> > Nataliia Tymkiv (4.75);
> > Susanna Mkrtchyan (3.25);
> > Lodewijk Gelauff (2.50);
> > Maarten Deneckere (1.50);
> > Kunal Mehta(1.25);
> > Leigh Thelmadatter (0.00)
> >
> > As you know the election was conducted under the Single Transferable
> Vote,
> > which meant that votes were redistributed between candidates to come up
> > with the final result. In the 9th round of voting the final place, after
> > Christophe was elected, was between Nataliia (16.09) and Siska (9.91). We
> > will be putting the full count narrative on the Chapters Wiki so that
> > others can verify it if they wish.
> >
> > We would like to congratulate Christophe and Nataliia and thank everyone
> > who stood. It is the closest ASBS result for some time, and all
> candidates
> > brought very valuable perspectives to the work of the WMF.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Chris Keating, Lorenzo Losa, Lane Rasberry
> > Election Facilitators
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

[John Mark Vandenberg]

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 5:21 PM, John Mark Vandenberg  wrote:
> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Gergő Tisza  wrote:
>> Hi Fae,
>>
>> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Fæ  wrote:
>>
>>> Not tricky at all. There are *plenty* of other similar organizations
>>> that have elections for their trustees to their boards, including
>>> several Wikimedia chapters/affiliates where their boards have oversite
>>> of many employees and significant sums of money.
>>
>>
>> can you share a few examples of organizations where board members are
>> appointed in a binding election and members of the electorate do not have
>> to identify themselves to the organization?
>>
>> Or are you suggesting that the WMF should turn into a membership
>> organization and Wikimedians who are unwilling to share personally
>> identifying information with the WMF should not be allowed to vote?
>
> I dont see how the voting method is particularly relevant to this thread..?
> It seems this thread is more about governance by post-appointment
> trustees, who have been properly vetted before being appointed.
>
> I dont recall that we've had any serious incidents of the board
> election outcome being disrupted because we use a voting process that
> includes non-identified people.

i.e. I think we , the community, selected *three* **great** Trustees
in the last community election, and the issues that caused us to loose
two of them are post-appointment and we should be looking into the
governance post-appointment to prevent it happening again.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

[Alice Wiegand]

Congratulations also from the Board, Nataliia and Christoph!
Thanks to the facilitators and all candidates for your commitment and for
sharing your thoughts about your new role with all of us in answering the
questions from the community.
We are looking forward to welcoming you at our Board meeting at Wikimania!

Alice.


On Mon, May 9, 2016 at 4:11 PM, Chris Keating 
wrote:

> Dear Wikimedians,
>
> We are writing to let you know the result of the election for the 2
> Affiliate Selected Board Seats on the Wikimedia Foundation board.
>
> The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia Tymkiv.*
>
> A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the Macedonia and
> Macau chapters - which is a record.
>
> The number of first preferences received by each candidate was as follows:
>
> Christophe Henner (9.00);
> Siska Doviana (6.75);
> Jan Ainali (5.50);
> Osmar Valdebenito (5.50);
> Nataliia Tymkiv (4.75);
> Susanna Mkrtchyan (3.25);
> Lodewijk Gelauff (2.50);
> Maarten Deneckere (1.50);
> Kunal Mehta(1.25);
> Leigh Thelmadatter (0.00)
>
> As you know the election was conducted under the Single Transferable Vote,
> which meant that votes were redistributed between candidates to come up
> with the final result. In the 9th round of voting the final place, after
> Christophe was elected, was between Nataliia (16.09) and Siska (9.91). We
> will be putting the full count narrative on the Chapters Wiki so that
> others can verify it if they wish.
>
> We would like to congratulate Christophe and Nataliia and thank everyone
> who stood. It is the closest ASBS result for some time, and all candidates
> brought very valuable perspectives to the work of the WMF.
>
> Regards,
>
> Chris Keating, Lorenzo Losa, Lane Rasberry
> Election Facilitators
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

[John Mark Vandenberg]

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 4:48 PM, Gergő Tisza  wrote:
> Hi Fae,
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Fæ  wrote:
>
>> Not tricky at all. There are *plenty* of other similar organizations
>> that have elections for their trustees to their boards, including
>> several Wikimedia chapters/affiliates where their boards have oversite
>> of many employees and significant sums of money.
>
>
> can you share a few examples of organizations where board members are
> appointed in a binding election and members of the electorate do not have
> to identify themselves to the organization?
>
> Or are you suggesting that the WMF should turn into a membership
> organization and Wikimedians who are unwilling to share personally
> identifying information with the WMF should not be allowed to vote?

I dont see how the voting method is particularly relevant to this thread..?
It seems this thread is more about governance by post-appointment
trustees, who have been properly vetted before being appointed.

I dont recall that we've had any serious incidents of the board
election outcome being disrupted because we use a voting process that
includes non-identified people.

--
John Vandenberg

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

[Gergő Tisza]

Hi Fae,

On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 1:14 PM, Fæ  wrote:

> Not tricky at all. There are *plenty* of other similar organizations
> that have elections for their trustees to their boards, including
> several Wikimedia chapters/affiliates where their boards have oversite
> of many employees and significant sums of money.


can you share a few examples of organizations where board members are
appointed in a binding election and members of the electorate do not have
to identify themselves to the organization?

Or are you suggesting that the WMF should turn into a membership
organization and Wikimedians who are unwilling to share personally
identifying information with the WMF should not be allowed to vote?
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Affiliate Selected Board Seats - Result

[N C Hasive]

Congratulations Christophe and Nataliia!


Hasive
WMBD

On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 12:16 AM, Nabin Sapkota  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Congratulations Christophe and Nataliia!
> Big responsibilities ahead,  beyond opportunities. Wish you both a very
> goodluck for this marvelous time.
>
> Cheers,
> Nabin
> Wikimedians of Nepal
> Congratulations to Christophe and Nataliia!! I am looking forward to
> working with you two in the years ahead. There is much to do. I'm grateful
> to have your experience help guide us forward.
>
> Also, my sincere thanks to all the candidates who put themselves forward
> for these seats.
>
> Cheers, Katy
>
> On Tue, May 10, 2016 at 10:07 AM, Jan-Bart de Vreede <
> jdevre...@wikimedia.org> wrote:
>
> > Hey
> >
> > Congratulations to the winners! So happy to see that the board will
> profit
> > from your insights. And yes: thanks to all those who helped make the
> > process possible or made themselves available to be a candidate :)
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Jan-Bart
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 09 May 2016, at 16:11, Chris Keating 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear Wikimedians,
> > >
> > > We are writing to let you know the result of the election for the 2
> > > Affiliate Selected Board Seats on the Wikimedia Foundation board.
> > >
> > > The successful candidates were *Christophe Henner* and *Nataliia
> Tymkiv.*
> > >
> > > A total of 40 chapters and thorgs voted - all except for the Macedonia
> > and
> > > Macau chapters - which is a record.
> > >
> > > The number of first preferences received by each candidate was as
> > follows:
> > >
> > > Christophe Henner (9.00);
> > > Siska Doviana (6.75);
> > > Jan Ainali (5.50);
> > > Osmar Valdebenito (5.50);
> > > Nataliia Tymkiv (4.75);
> > > Susanna Mkrtchyan (3.25);
> > > Lodewijk Gelauff (2.50);
> > > Maarten Deneckere (1.50);
> > > Kunal Mehta(1.25);
> > > Leigh Thelmadatter (0.00)
> > >
> > > As you know the election was conducted under the Single Transferable
> > Vote,
> > > which meant that votes were redistributed between candidates to come up
> > > with the final result. In the 9th round of voting the final place,
> after
> > > Christophe was elected, was between Nataliia (16.09) and Siska (9.91).
> We
> > > will be putting the full count narrative on the Chapters Wiki so that
> > > others can verify it if they wish.
> > >
> > > We would like to congratulate Christophe and Nataliia and thank
> everyone
> > > who stood. It is the closest ASBS result for some time, and all
> > candidates
> > > brought very valuable perspectives to the work of the WMF.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Chris Keating, Lorenzo Losa, Lane Rasberry
> > > Election Facilitators
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Account of the events leading to James Heilman's removal

[Kevin Gorman]

  1. Restore James Heilman to the board (in Denny's now vacant seat)
Yes. Although there should be a process for removing community trustees,
there's 0 question that the process used to remove James was
inappropriate.  Even if this harms somewhat the functioning the board until
the next election...  Board doesn't seem too functional as it is right now,
but at the same time, I've definitely seen more dysfunctional boards manage
orgs of similar size.

   2. Never remove a community trustee
There should be a way to remove a community trustee, but it requires
community feedback.  In an 'emergency' situation, I'd be happy if even a
subset of stewards and functionaries were involved, with the issue later
being brought forth before the community for a satisfactory explanation -
not the claptrap found in the FAQ about James (some of which is downright
wrong.)

   3. Eliminate Founder's Seat, with various future possibilities for Jimmy
   Wales' role.

I'm pretty sure that I was getting counted in the "anti-Jimmy" camp
mentioned earlier, but the funny thing is, I'm not anti-Jimmy.  I've
explicitly reached out to him to ask for his assistance on a number of
issues before, including a few issues where he was the only person likely
to be willing to help. Ex: with Wiki-PR breaking, WMF legal and comms did
not want to issue a strong statement because they realized some of the
information I had given them had come from someone violating an NDA (FWIW:
NDA's in California are unenforceable without compensation, and the person
in question was an unpaid intern; the NDA was invalid.)  Jimmy (along with
James Hare) issued strong public condemnations of the situation in a move
that helped us not look like complete shit in the media.  What has
concerned me most about Jimmy's involvement in the current situation
(ignoring a general feeling that he should be coming less involved, not
more involved, in the day to day running of WMF, as well as feeling that we
shouldn't have a trustee for life) is that he has consistently made
statements that, even in California, constitute defamation per se against
James Heilman - and I put a lot of thought in to it before stating that for
the first time.  99% of the time my role is to convince people that
statements made against them are *not* defamatory in California, let alone
constitute defamation per se - but Jimmy's statements have really crossed a
line.  He has repeatedly, without evidence, and in the direct face of
comments made by his own staff, including some of his own most senior
staff, made claims about James' behavior that he had not backed up with
evidence, including the claim that James is unable to hold a confidence.
As James is quite literally a medical doctor, these statements are...
well... worse than they otherwise would be.  I again really doubt that
James' would sue, but it's not okay that we have a trustee *for life*
putting himself and likely the Foundation at risk of monetary and
reputational harm.  I know some people have compiled partial diff lists
already, but tomorrow I'm going to start to diff dive for defamatory
statements Jimmy has made against James, and explicitly call for some sort
of restorative justice process (which requires Jimmy's active involvement
and willingness to acknowledge wrongdoing,) and if no progress is made in a
week, start an open letter summarizing the issue and asking Jimmy to either
step aside or the board to take action.  I'm pretty confident that a
well-written open letter with a significant number of signatories will come
to the attention of the press, and I'd much rather have this resolved
before it gets that far.

   4. (expressed as optional) Make Community seats truly elected; increase
   number.

Making them truly elected poses problems revising the governance documents,
but I never imagined they would be treated as recommendations carrying at
best about as much weight as an average undergrad letter of
recommmendation, which seems to be about what they're at now.  This can be
done with changes in practice, rather than actual revisions to the
governing documents.   And I strongly support increasing their number.

Adding on:

5. WMF BOT needs to undergo a full governance review, and they need to
undergo one starting soon.  If needed, I can start recommending firms that
specialize in NPO governance reviews.  There's just an amazing amount going
wrong at the same time, which points to broken underlying processes - and
the exact reason nonprofit governance consultants exist is that the same
broken practices tend to appear in organization after organization.  There
is no shame in looking to others before us to better ourselves, and we
certainly have the reserves to commission a full review.  We made WMUK
undergo a similar (though different scoped review) for far more minor
problems, there's no way that it's acceptable or a good idea for WMF BOT to
avoid public review of their practices when this much has happened this
quickly.  If we can im