Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

[Rogol Domedonfors]

Dear J. and Gerard

Firstly, whether or not I have edited a Wikipedia article is not
particularly relevant to the proposition that the Foundation and the
Community would work together better on planning the future of technical
products if the Foundation would publish its roadmap to the Community.  I
think it's clear that they would, that the roadmap clearly exists and that
the publication would take time time and effort for a signficiant mutual
benefit.  Do you disagree with any of that?  Perhaps you think improved
collaboration between Foundation and Community is a trivial (popcorn)
matter?  Do you think that collaboration would or would not help to build a
quality encyclopaedia?

Secondly, the answer to J.'s specific but irrelevant question is Yes.  I
wrote about 70 articles in the period 2012-2014, when for various reasons I
ceased to do so and abandoned my account.

Thirdly, my motivation here is, and always has been, to do what I can to
advance the mission by pointing out simple, easy and effective ways in
which everyone can work better together to do so.  I think that we, the
Foundation and the Community, are not doing that as well as we could.

"Rogol"

On Sat, Jan 14, 2017 at 6:54 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> You are not answering the question. You are only producing arguments that
> may be meaningful to you but they do not explain why you are interested and
> what you do to affect what you aim to achieve.
>
> IMHO it is important for the WMF to concentrate on what it is that we do.
> Make it more relevant in every possible way. When you ask for overarching
> vision, I want the WMF to explain why Wikisource does not get its
> audience?  I want us to engage more in bringing quality to Wikipedia and it
> is not theoretical what I propose I have challenged anyone to refute my
> arguments about associating red links and wiki links with Wikidata items
> and how it will improve quality.
>
> My point is; I want substance. I want us to concentrate on the things that
> help us to "share in the sum of all knowledge". For me your demands take
> time and more importantly energy away from the real questions. We should
> start with "share in the sum of our available knowledge" because this is
> achievable and we do not really consider it.
>
> I refer to your user page when I say that you are not involved. So you make
> no difference but demand attention. We have better things to do things that
> do not get done either. Please let us concentrate on what we can do to make
> a meaningful effort and let us consider the issues as we know them.
>
> Seriously better quality to Wikipedia requires a small change that nobody
> needs to see, that people can opt in to and the people that do will improve
> the quality in all Wikipedias. Again, I challenge anyone to show where my
> arguments fail reality.
> Thanks,
>   GerardM
>
> On 13 January 2017 at 23:34, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
> > Gerard,
> >
> > It isn't personal to me at all, of course.  I'm not asking for privileged
> > access to these plans or my own personal personal copy.  I am requesting
> > that the Foundation publish their medium to long term technical planning,
> > the technical roadmap if you will, to the community so that the community
> > can discuss and help to develop them.  It seems to me that this is the
> only
> > way that the Foundation and the Community can move forward effectively.
> In
> > the absence of this sort of joined-up thinking we will continue to get
> such
> > disfunctional episodes as MediaViewer and Gather.
> >
> > I asked the Executive Director for "a clear concise and measurable set of
> > obectives around the areas of Visual Editor, Wikitext, Parsoid, Flow,
> > Workflow and Discovery" back on the 24 June 2016.  On the 5 January this
> > year, Katherine stated that that sort of discussion "isn't the most
> > effective use of my time".  I find that regrettable, but it is of course
> > her decision.
> >
> > I cannot believe that the Foundation does not have some sort of roadmap
> of
> > the sort I have been requesting, and indeed, frankly if the Foundation
> went
> > to a grant-making body and admitted that there was nothing of the kind to
> > show them, they would be laughed at.  Since that isn't happening, the
> > Foundation have shared their planning with donors.  So why not share it
> > with the Community?  What could the downside possibly be?
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> > On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Dear Rogol,
> > > When I check out your profile, you are retired. Maybe you do not know
> any
> > > more but the WMF has been pretty consistent in the way that it operates
> > > over the years. So in details things change and arguably it could be
> > > different for all kinds of reasons. But as the WMF is not actively
> going
> > > for grants it would not surprise me that it is exact the consistency 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
You are not answering the question. You are only producing arguments that
may be meaningful to you but they do not explain why you are interested and
what you do to affect what you aim to achieve.

IMHO it is important for the WMF to concentrate on what it is that we do.
Make it more relevant in every possible way. When you ask for overarching
vision, I want the WMF to explain why Wikisource does not get its
audience?  I want us to engage more in bringing quality to Wikipedia and it
is not theoretical what I propose I have challenged anyone to refute my
arguments about associating red links and wiki links with Wikidata items
and how it will improve quality.

My point is; I want substance. I want us to concentrate on the things that
help us to "share in the sum of all knowledge". For me your demands take
time and more importantly energy away from the real questions. We should
start with "share in the sum of our available knowledge" because this is
achievable and we do not really consider it.

I refer to your user page when I say that you are not involved. So you make
no difference but demand attention. We have better things to do things that
do not get done either. Please let us concentrate on what we can do to make
a meaningful effort and let us consider the issues as we know them.

Seriously better quality to Wikipedia requires a small change that nobody
needs to see, that people can opt in to and the people that do will improve
the quality in all Wikipedias. Again, I challenge anyone to show where my
arguments fail reality.
Thanks,
  GerardM

On 13 January 2017 at 23:34, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Gerard,
>
> It isn't personal to me at all, of course.  I'm not asking for privileged
> access to these plans or my own personal personal copy.  I am requesting
> that the Foundation publish their medium to long term technical planning,
> the technical roadmap if you will, to the community so that the community
> can discuss and help to develop them.  It seems to me that this is the only
> way that the Foundation and the Community can move forward effectively.  In
> the absence of this sort of joined-up thinking we will continue to get such
> disfunctional episodes as MediaViewer and Gather.
>
> I asked the Executive Director for "a clear concise and measurable set of
> obectives around the areas of Visual Editor, Wikitext, Parsoid, Flow,
> Workflow and Discovery" back on the 24 June 2016.  On the 5 January this
> year, Katherine stated that that sort of discussion "isn't the most
> effective use of my time".  I find that regrettable, but it is of course
> her decision.
>
> I cannot believe that the Foundation does not have some sort of roadmap of
> the sort I have been requesting, and indeed, frankly if the Foundation went
> to a grant-making body and admitted that there was nothing of the kind to
> show them, they would be laughed at.  Since that isn't happening, the
> Foundation have shared their planning with donors.  So why not share it
> with the Community?  What could the downside possibly be?
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rogol,
> > When I check out your profile, you are retired. Maybe you do not know any
> > more but the WMF has been pretty consistent in the way that it operates
> > over the years. So in details things change and arguably it could be
> > different for all kinds of reasons. But as the WMF is not actively going
> > for grants it would not surprise me that it is exact the consistency in
> its
> > actions that gives grant-giving bodies the assurances that they need.
> >
> > The question to you is what is it to you. Why are you not satisfied with
> > your answers and where would satisfactory answers lead us to? My problem
> > with the WMF and its community that is that it is stuck too much in
> things
> > we could improve upon. I am actively engaged in getting towards a vision
> > that I share in mailing lists and on my blog.
> >
> > What is your vision, what is it that you want?
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> > On 12 January 2017 at 23:20, Rogol Domedonfors 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Fæ, Surely no grant-giving body would even talk to the Foundation if it
> > > could not show them a plan for the medium to long term.  For some
> reason,
> > > the Foundation is consistently unwilling to share this plan with the
> > > Community (its biggest donor in terms both of money and surplus value).
> > I
> > > wonder why that would be?
> > >
> > > "Rogol"
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Fæ  wrote:
> > >
> > > > No need, it's on webarchive:
> > > > http://web.archive.org/web/20170112103412/https://upload.
> > > > wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/d/dd/Education_and_WGIG.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Unlike Wikimedia projects, Webarchive has a long term plan that one
> > > > would expect of a digital archive, so it's a much safer space for
> > > > 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

[J.]

"Rogol",
Have you ever edited a Wikipedia article?[1] We are here to build a quality
encyclopedia, not make popcorn!
Wayne
[1] https://tools.wmflabs.org/guc/?user=Rogol+Domedonfors

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:34 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Gerard,
>
> (big snip)
>
> "Rogol"
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear Rogol,
> > When I check out your profile, you are retired.
>
(big snip)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

[David Goodman]

Charles,

Very few paid editors who currently advertise use the trademarks; they do
say that they will write or help write articles in Wikipedia , and that is
a true statement.  They will sometimes say they are authorized to do so, or
that their work is legitimate, which is false, but that does not seem to be
a violation of the trademark.

What action are you prepared to take against those who violate the paid
editing provision of the TOU, without violating the trademark?   Have there
been any such cases where you have even written a cease and desist letter
except for Morning227?  (If you need to reply privately, I'm a member of
enWP arbcom and have signed the relevant nondisclosure statements).

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 5:20 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Jacob,
>
> Can we get an ETA on the longer statement?
>
> Pine
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jacob Rogers 
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I want to share a few thoughts on the paid editing issue. First of all,
> we
> > do have the ability to enforce our terms of use. If there are cases where
> > you're encountering a severe problem with paid editing and community
> > efforts are not able to solve it, please get in touch with us via
> > le...@wikimedia.org and we can discuss how we can provide support
> > depending
> > on the details of the case. With apologies, I'm not able to discuss
> details
> > of any specific cases here because we don't want to reveal information
> > about ongoing or future investigations or legal actions.
> >
> > In general, I do want to say a few words about the role of legal tools in
> > these kinds of cases. Legal actions are a blunt instrument: courts use
> the
> > same solutions to every problem, and have not kept up with the speed of
> > modern technology. So we are interested in helping to improve community
> > systems and technological tools (like tools to help admins investigate
> and
> > block problematic users) that can make it so that legal action isn't
> > necessary in many cases.
> >
> > I also want to note that we've been working on a longer statement
> outlining
> > some of our thoughts about our role in dealing with paid editing concerns
> > and some ways the communities can effectively approach these issues as
> > well. We plan to post this on-wiki soon.
> >
> > Lastly, let me say thank you to all the community members who help out
> with
> > these issues. We really appreciate everyone who reports cases to us and
> > helps us take action where we are able, such as reporting some job
> postings
> > on third-party sites.
> >
> > Best,
> > Jacob Rogers
> >
> > --
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> > Legal Counsel
> > Wikimedia Foundation
> >
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Keeping historical documents related to Wikimedia

[Rogol Domedonfors]

Gerard,

It isn't personal to me at all, of course.  I'm not asking for privileged
access to these plans or my own personal personal copy.  I am requesting
that the Foundation publish their medium to long term technical planning,
the technical roadmap if you will, to the community so that the community
can discuss and help to develop them.  It seems to me that this is the only
way that the Foundation and the Community can move forward effectively.  In
the absence of this sort of joined-up thinking we will continue to get such
disfunctional episodes as MediaViewer and Gather.

I asked the Executive Director for "a clear concise and measurable set of
obectives around the areas of Visual Editor, Wikitext, Parsoid, Flow,
Workflow and Discovery" back on the 24 June 2016.  On the 5 January this
year, Katherine stated that that sort of discussion "isn't the most
effective use of my time".  I find that regrettable, but it is of course
her decision.

I cannot believe that the Foundation does not have some sort of roadmap of
the sort I have been requesting, and indeed, frankly if the Foundation went
to a grant-making body and admitted that there was nothing of the kind to
show them, they would be laughed at.  Since that isn't happening, the
Foundation have shared their planning with donors.  So why not share it
with the Community?  What could the downside possibly be?

"Rogol"

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 6:38 AM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Dear Rogol,
> When I check out your profile, you are retired. Maybe you do not know any
> more but the WMF has been pretty consistent in the way that it operates
> over the years. So in details things change and arguably it could be
> different for all kinds of reasons. But as the WMF is not actively going
> for grants it would not surprise me that it is exact the consistency in its
> actions that gives grant-giving bodies the assurances that they need.
>
> The question to you is what is it to you. Why are you not satisfied with
> your answers and where would satisfactory answers lead us to? My problem
> with the WMF and its community that is that it is stuck too much in things
> we could improve upon. I am actively engaged in getting towards a vision
> that I share in mailing lists and on my blog.
>
> What is your vision, what is it that you want?
> Thanks,
>
>
> On 12 January 2017 at 23:20, Rogol Domedonfors 
> wrote:
>
> > Fæ, Surely no grant-giving body would even talk to the Foundation if it
> > could not show them a plan for the medium to long term.  For some reason,
> > the Foundation is consistently unwilling to share this plan with the
> > Community (its biggest donor in terms both of money and surplus value).
> I
> > wonder why that would be?
> >
> > "Rogol"
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 12, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Fæ  wrote:
> >
> > > No need, it's on webarchive:
> > > http://web.archive.org/web/20170112103412/https://upload.
> > > wikimedia.org/wikipedia/meta/d/dd/Education_and_WGIG.pdf
> > >
> > > Unlike Wikimedia projects, Webarchive has a long term plan that one
> > > would expect of a digital archive, so it's a much safer space for
> > > historical documents.
> > >
> > > I stopped asking about an equivalent realistic Wikimedia 100 year plan
> > > a couple of years back. The $100m endowment thingy controlled by Jimmy
> > > does not have this as a goal either, as far as I can tell.
> > >
> > > Fae
> > >
> > > On 12 January 2017 at 00:41, Newyorkbrad 
> wrote:
> > > > If it is decided not to host these materials on a wiki, whether for
> > > > copyright or any other reasons, then someone (either in the Office or
> > > > a volunteer) should be designated to retain a copy privately.  That
> > > > way, he or she will be able to upload it later if the copyright
> status
> > > > or policy changes in the future, or to make it available offline for
> > > > research use or consultation by historians or other researchers who
> > > > could make good use of it.
> > > >
> > > > Newyorkbrad/IBM
> > > >
> > > > On 1/11/17, Pete Forsyth  wrote:
> > > >> Thank you for bringing this up, Yann. Some relevant context is that
> > Meta
> > > >> Wiki users considered permitting such files on Meta Wiki a year and
> a
> > > half
> > > >> ago, and decided not to. The electorate was not very big (14 votes,
> > > total),
> > > >> but it was carefully considered, with compelling arguments made on
> > both
> > > >> sides.[1]
> > > >>
> > > >> In my opinion, the best outcome would be that Meta Wiki should have
> an
> > > >> Exemption Doctrine Policy (the board's name for a project's local
> > policy
> > > >> that would permit copyrighted files under specific
> circumstances)[2] I
> > > >> think the Meta Wiki decision should be revisited and considered in
> > more
> > > >> depth, with more participation, and probably reversed (with some
> > careful
> > > >> work on defining the proper circumstances for 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] "Delegation of policy-making authority" resolution

[Pine W]

Hi Christophe,

Now that the end-of-Western-year holidays are behind us, I'm bumping this
thread in the hope that you'll respond to the points that I made in my
email from December 23rd.

Thanks,

Pine


On Fri, Dec 23, 2016 at 9:31 PM, Pine W  wrote:

> Hi Christophe,
>
> Thank you for responding to my questions.
>
>
>> First, the resolution and its context. "Supervising" the ED is indeed a
>> board duty, but this supervision must not become micro-management. That
>> resolution provides staff the liberty to do their work more efficiently.
>> It
>> doesn't remove our duty of oversight.
>>
>> I feel like you think delegating negates ones ability to provide
>> supervision, I would tend to think otherwise as delegating free time and
>> energy to focus on the core roles of a board.
>>
>
> Perhaps you could explain further how a resolution which says:
>
> *"*Resolved, the Board hereby delegates the authority to adopt, alter, and
> revoke policies to the Executive Director, who may further delegate such
> authority to Wikimedia Foundation staff as they deem appropriate;
>
> "Resolved, the Board may continue to review and approve policies for the
> Wikimedia
> Foundation upon request to the Executive Director or as required by law."
>
> amounts to removing micro-management. To me this looks like a sweeping
> delegation of authority. Under this resolution, policy changes that the ED
> and/or his or her delegates make are not subject to advance review by the
> Board, the Legal Department, the community, or anyone else. This seems
> highly inadvisable, and I feel that this opens up WMF to legal and
> reputational risks that are of far greater concern than the value of
> sparing
> a few minutes of the Boards' time at meetings to review supposedly
> minor changes to policies.
>
> I would expect the Executive Director to have the authority to execute
> plans
> and manage his/her staff as permitted by the policies and resolutions
> adopted
> by the Board and as allowed by law, and to create and modify managerial
> policies for staff (for example, salary schedules and hiring procedures)
> that are compatible with the Board's policies and resolutions and with the
> law.
> I wouldn't expect the Executive Director to have the authority to
> unilaterally
> change policies that were adopted by the Board, nor to have the authority
> to
> further delegate the authority to change policies that were adopted by the
> Board.
>
>
>
>>
>> Second, the requirements to answer the community. I'm sorry, here I
>> answered quite spontaneously, you are right nothing forces us to.
>>
>> But, as I've said in my candidacy and in public some time I believe we
>> have, as WMF board, a leadership duty. And I also believe you lead by
>> example. I've always believed, in the movement, we are all partners. We
>> need each other to push forward our mission. You treat partners the way
>> yourself want to be treated by them. That is why I believe it is important
>> to communicate. It doesn't mean we have to see eye to eye on everything
>> but
>> that when a question rise we should answer as much as we can. That's
>> something I've said to nearly everyone who reached out to me in the past
>> few month privately, my answer perhaps won't be the one you want, but at
>> least there will be an answer and an explanation every time I can. Like
>> right now actually :D
>>
>
> Thanks for your efforts to communicate and cooperate. You and Natalia have
> been helpful in improving communications between the community and the
> Board in 2016. (I agree with Rob that Dariusz was admirably responsive and
> civil in public in 2015 in difficult circumstances, while others weren't.)
>
> I would like to see further developments in this area, such as developments
> that prevent the community from being surprised by Board resolutions such
> as the one that we are discussing here.
>
> Also, I would like to see consideration of changing WMF to a membership
> organization as a part of the upcoming strategy process.
>
>
>>
>> Finally, regarding board governance review, Natalia, as chair of the BGC,
>> published minutes of our meetings[1], and that is a key topic we address
>> and not push aside. That being said it will be a board review, not one on
>> that specific event. We will be able to provide more information on that
>> topic soon I think :)
>>
>
> Thanks, this looks like a promising start.
>
> Doing the governance review in parallel with the strategy process, while
> continuing with regular annual work such as the Annual Plan process,
> might be a heavy lift for the Board and Katherine, so I encourage careful
> thinking about the timing of this review. My hunch is that it would be
> good
> to start and complete this review within 6 months, with the hope that the
> results could then be fed into the strategy process which will be
> continuing
> for awhile after that. Perhaps you, Katherine, Natalia or others may be
> able
> to shed some light on the 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Where is WMF with pursuing companies that offer paid editing services

[Pine W]

Hi Jacob,

Can we get an ETA on the longer statement?

Pine


On Fri, Jan 6, 2017 at 9:41 PM, Jacob Rogers  wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I want to share a few thoughts on the paid editing issue. First of all, we
> do have the ability to enforce our terms of use. If there are cases where
> you're encountering a severe problem with paid editing and community
> efforts are not able to solve it, please get in touch with us via
> le...@wikimedia.org and we can discuss how we can provide support
> depending
> on the details of the case. With apologies, I'm not able to discuss details
> of any specific cases here because we don't want to reveal information
> about ongoing or future investigations or legal actions.
>
> In general, I do want to say a few words about the role of legal tools in
> these kinds of cases. Legal actions are a blunt instrument: courts use the
> same solutions to every problem, and have not kept up with the speed of
> modern technology. So we are interested in helping to improve community
> systems and technological tools (like tools to help admins investigate and
> block problematic users) that can make it so that legal action isn't
> necessary in many cases.
>
> I also want to note that we've been working on a longer statement outlining
> some of our thoughts about our role in dealing with paid editing concerns
> and some ways the communities can effectively approach these issues as
> well. We plan to post this on-wiki soon.
>
> Lastly, let me say thank you to all the community members who help out with
> these issues. We really appreciate everyone who reports cases to us and
> helps us take action where we are able, such as reporting some job postings
> on third-party sites.
>
> Best,
> Jacob Rogers
>
> --
>
> Jacob Rogers
> Legal Counsel
> Wikimedia Foundation
>
> NOTICE: This message might have confidential or legally privileged
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> members in their personal capacity. For more on what this means, please see
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Speaks Your Language

[Bodhisattwa Mandal]

Hi Kiril,

Wikitongues videos are uploaded primarily in their Youtube channel and only
few of them are under CC-BY-SA license. Although they depend on
crowdsourcing, still it's not a wiki, so the number of uploads are not so
frequent.
On Jan 14, 2017 1:19 AM, "Kiril Simeonovski" 
wrote:

> Hi Bodhisattwa,
>
> It is great to know that Wikitounges are working on documenting all
> languages in the world under free licence. Their repository may be another
> major source for uploads on Wikimedia Commons that will be later used in
> Wikipedia articles. Thus, we will achieve the goal of our initiative and
> improve the article quality, while they will also benefit from the
> increased use of their files.
>
> Best,
> Kiril
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 20:30 Bodhisattwa Mandal <
> bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > 1) Similar initiative by Wikitongues -  http://wikitongues.org/
> > 2) Some files were uploaded under CC-BY-SA license -
> > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikitongues
> >
> >
> >
> > On 13 January 2017 at 22:55, Kiril Simeonovski <
> > kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I am pleased to announce the launch of the Wiki Speaks Your Language
> [1]
> > > initiative with the goal of enriching the Wikimedia projects with
> freely
> > > licensed audio and video files documenting spoken examples of every
> > > language, language variety and dialect in the world.
> > >
> > > The idea originates from the curiosity of many readers viewing language
> > > articles not only to read about the language but also to hear how does
> it
> > > sound. In most of the cases, our language articles lack such files and
> > > readers usually end up searching videos on YouTube, notwithstanding
> that
> > we
> > > have the capacity as a movement and the resources to meet their wish.
> > >
> > > The initiative lists three possible ways of acquiring freely licensed
> > audio
> > > and video files:
> > >
> > > 1) by adapting existing files on Wikimedia Commons (mostly from the
> > Spoken
> > > Wikipedia projects [2]);
> > > 2) by liberating existing files from the repositories of GLAM and
> > > educational institutions; and
> > > 3) by engaging Wikimedia communities, GLAM and educational institutions
> > in
> > > the recording of new files.
> > >
> > > In the first phase, the plan is to work with the available resources we
> > > have and adapt the existing videos from the Spoken Wikipedia projects
> > > (there
> > > are some useful tips [3] on what the existing files should be adapted
> > to).
> > >
> > > I will be very thankful if members of this list help in spreading the
> > word
> > > about the initiative through other channels to the communities
> and`other
> > > parties in our movement.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Kiril
> > >
> > > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_Language
> > > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisound
> > > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_
> > > Language/Tips#Qualities_of_files
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Speaks Your Language

[Ramzy Muliawan]

Great initiative. Keep it up!

*Muhammad Ramzy Muliawan*
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On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 2:55 PM, Brion Vibber  wrote:

> That's great! If you have any troubles with the media uploading or playback
> let me know. There are a number of still-open issues with audio/video, so
> don't be shy about filing bugs on phabricator.wikimedia.org. :)
>
> -- brion
>
> On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Kiril Simeonovski <
> kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am pleased to announce the launch of the Wiki Speaks Your Language [1]
> > initiative with the goal of enriching the Wikimedia projects with freely
> > licensed audio and video files documenting spoken examples of every
> > language, language variety and dialect in the world.
> >
> > The idea originates from the curiosity of many readers viewing language
> > articles not only to read about the language but also to hear how does it
> > sound. In most of the cases, our language articles lack such files and
> > readers usually end up searching videos on YouTube, notwithstanding that
> we
> > have the capacity as a movement and the resources to meet their wish.
> >
> > The initiative lists three possible ways of acquiring freely licensed
> audio
> > and video files:
> >
> > 1) by adapting existing files on Wikimedia Commons (mostly from the
> Spoken
> > Wikipedia projects [2]);
> > 2) by liberating existing files from the repositories of GLAM and
> > educational institutions; and
> > 3) by engaging Wikimedia communities, GLAM and educational institutions
> in
> > the recording of new files.
> >
> > In the first phase, the plan is to work with the available resources we
> > have and adapt the existing videos from the Spoken Wikipedia projects
> > (there
> > are some useful tips [3] on what the existing files should be adapted
> to).
> >
> > I will be very thankful if members of this list help in spreading the
> word
> > about the initiative through other channels to the communities and`other
> > parties in our movement.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Kiril
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_Language
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisound
> > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_
> > Language/Tips#Qualities_of_files
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Speaks Your Language

[Brion Vibber]

That's great! If you have any troubles with the media uploading or playback
let me know. There are a number of still-open issues with audio/video, so
don't be shy about filing bugs on phabricator.wikimedia.org. :)

-- brion

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 9:25 AM, Kiril Simeonovski <
kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am pleased to announce the launch of the Wiki Speaks Your Language [1]
> initiative with the goal of enriching the Wikimedia projects with freely
> licensed audio and video files documenting spoken examples of every
> language, language variety and dialect in the world.
>
> The idea originates from the curiosity of many readers viewing language
> articles not only to read about the language but also to hear how does it
> sound. In most of the cases, our language articles lack such files and
> readers usually end up searching videos on YouTube, notwithstanding that we
> have the capacity as a movement and the resources to meet their wish.
>
> The initiative lists three possible ways of acquiring freely licensed audio
> and video files:
>
> 1) by adapting existing files on Wikimedia Commons (mostly from the Spoken
> Wikipedia projects [2]);
> 2) by liberating existing files from the repositories of GLAM and
> educational institutions; and
> 3) by engaging Wikimedia communities, GLAM and educational institutions in
> the recording of new files.
>
> In the first phase, the plan is to work with the available resources we
> have and adapt the existing videos from the Spoken Wikipedia projects
> (there
> are some useful tips [3] on what the existing files should be adapted to).
>
> I will be very thankful if members of this list help in spreading the word
> about the initiative through other channels to the communities and`other
> parties in our movement.
>
> Best regards,
> Kiril
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_Language
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisound
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_
> Language/Tips#Qualities_of_files
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Speaks Your Language

[Kiril Simeonovski]

Hi Bodhisattwa,

It is great to know that Wikitounges are working on documenting all
languages in the world under free licence. Their repository may be another
major source for uploads on Wikimedia Commons that will be later used in
Wikipedia articles. Thus, we will achieve the goal of our initiative and
improve the article quality, while they will also benefit from the
increased use of their files.

Best,
Kiril

On Fri, Jan 13, 2017 at 20:30 Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> 1) Similar initiative by Wikitongues -  http://wikitongues.org/
> 2) Some files were uploaded under CC-BY-SA license -
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikitongues
>
>
>
> On 13 January 2017 at 22:55, Kiril Simeonovski <
> kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I am pleased to announce the launch of the Wiki Speaks Your Language [1]
> > initiative with the goal of enriching the Wikimedia projects with freely
> > licensed audio and video files documenting spoken examples of every
> > language, language variety and dialect in the world.
> >
> > The idea originates from the curiosity of many readers viewing language
> > articles not only to read about the language but also to hear how does it
> > sound. In most of the cases, our language articles lack such files and
> > readers usually end up searching videos on YouTube, notwithstanding that
> we
> > have the capacity as a movement and the resources to meet their wish.
> >
> > The initiative lists three possible ways of acquiring freely licensed
> audio
> > and video files:
> >
> > 1) by adapting existing files on Wikimedia Commons (mostly from the
> Spoken
> > Wikipedia projects [2]);
> > 2) by liberating existing files from the repositories of GLAM and
> > educational institutions; and
> > 3) by engaging Wikimedia communities, GLAM and educational institutions
> in
> > the recording of new files.
> >
> > In the first phase, the plan is to work with the available resources we
> > have and adapt the existing videos from the Spoken Wikipedia projects
> > (there
> > are some useful tips [3] on what the existing files should be adapted
> to).
> >
> > I will be very thankful if members of this list help in spreading the
> word
> > about the initiative through other channels to the communities and`other
> > parties in our movement.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Kiril
> >
> > [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_Language
> > [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisound
> > [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_
> > Language/Tips#Qualities_of_files
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wiki Speaks Your Language

[Bodhisattwa Mandal]

Hi,

1) Similar initiative by Wikitongues -  http://wikitongues.org/
2) Some files were uploaded under CC-BY-SA license -
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Wikitongues



On 13 January 2017 at 22:55, Kiril Simeonovski 
wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I am pleased to announce the launch of the Wiki Speaks Your Language [1]
> initiative with the goal of enriching the Wikimedia projects with freely
> licensed audio and video files documenting spoken examples of every
> language, language variety and dialect in the world.
>
> The idea originates from the curiosity of many readers viewing language
> articles not only to read about the language but also to hear how does it
> sound. In most of the cases, our language articles lack such files and
> readers usually end up searching videos on YouTube, notwithstanding that we
> have the capacity as a movement and the resources to meet their wish.
>
> The initiative lists three possible ways of acquiring freely licensed audio
> and video files:
>
> 1) by adapting existing files on Wikimedia Commons (mostly from the Spoken
> Wikipedia projects [2]);
> 2) by liberating existing files from the repositories of GLAM and
> educational institutions; and
> 3) by engaging Wikimedia communities, GLAM and educational institutions in
> the recording of new files.
>
> In the first phase, the plan is to work with the available resources we
> have and adapt the existing videos from the Spoken Wikipedia projects
> (there
> are some useful tips [3] on what the existing files should be adapted to).
>
> I will be very thankful if members of this list help in spreading the word
> about the initiative through other channels to the communities and`other
> parties in our movement.
>
> Best regards,
> Kiril
>
> [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_Language
> [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisound
> [3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_
> Language/Tips#Qualities_of_files
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[Wikimedia-l] Wiki Speaks Your Language

[Kiril Simeonovski]

Hi all,

I am pleased to announce the launch of the Wiki Speaks Your Language [1]
initiative with the goal of enriching the Wikimedia projects with freely
licensed audio and video files documenting spoken examples of every
language, language variety and dialect in the world.

The idea originates from the curiosity of many readers viewing language
articles not only to read about the language but also to hear how does it
sound. In most of the cases, our language articles lack such files and
readers usually end up searching videos on YouTube, notwithstanding that we
have the capacity as a movement and the resources to meet their wish.

The initiative lists three possible ways of acquiring freely licensed audio
and video files:

1) by adapting existing files on Wikimedia Commons (mostly from the Spoken
Wikipedia projects [2]);
2) by liberating existing files from the repositories of GLAM and
educational institutions; and
3) by engaging Wikimedia communities, GLAM and educational institutions in
the recording of new files.

In the first phase, the plan is to work with the available resources we
have and adapt the existing videos from the Spoken Wikipedia projects (there
are some useful tips [3] on what the existing files should be adapted to).

I will be very thankful if members of this list help in spreading the word
about the initiative through other channels to the communities and`other
parties in our movement.

Best regards,
Kiril

[1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_Language
[2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikisound
[3] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wiki_Speaks_Your_
Language/Tips#Qualities_of_files
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Exciting update about development of structured data on Commons

[Pete Forsyth]

Replying to Alex and Lisa (and Rogol) in one message:

Alex, thank you for linking the 32 page public version of the grant to the
Sloan Foundation. It is indeed an impressive quantity of information, and
I'm glad that this kind of transparency was built into the process --
having written grant proposals on behalf of WMF, I'm keenly aware of how
much of an additional challenge that creates, and applaud the team. That
said, it's a lot of info to look over, so if I have any more substantive
comments, it will take a little time.

Lisa, I also appreciate your timely response about restricted grants. It's
good to have a little insight into your thinking, which resonates. I do
hope for more, in time. In the past, I felt all of us associated with
Wikimedia could take legitimate pride in our connection to an organization
that took a leadership role in the thinking on philanthropic giving. (As
you may recall, I wrote up an overview about it last year:
https://wikistrategies.net/grant-transparency/ ) It was especially
distressing to see this issue play a central role in last year's crises, in
the sense that the Knowledge Engine was rooted in a strategy of restricted
grant opacity. I am still hoping the organization will take decisive steps
toward reclaiming its position as a significant thought leader on the topic.

Perhaps the strategic planning process will offer an opportunity to do so?

In general, my questions are strongly aligned with those Rogol Domedonfors
is asking, both in this thread and in the one about historical documents.
Restricted grants can be one of the more visible artifacts that reflect the
large-scale thinking of the organization; it's broadly important to the
movement that the large-scale thinking be visible.

It has not been very long since a broadcast video led by Lila Tretikov and
Jimmy Wales ended with a bit of open mockery of the value of long-term
strategic planning. That was in jest, I understand, but in the absence of a
more serious followup, not a great thing for Wikimedia stakeholders to
hear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2016-12-22/News_and_notes
We have a new executive director, new faces on the board, many things are
running very smoothly, and many good things are happening. But we still
lack a foundation for insight into how the rapidly expanding organization
is thinking. Billions of people have a stake in those questions.

If there are no readily-available answers that can be shared, I hope at
least that the strategic planning process will begin to flesh out some of
what has been driving the WMF, and what will drive it in the years to come.

-Pete
[[User:Peteforsyth]]

On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 2:28 PM, Rogol Domedonfors 
wrote:

> Dear Wes
>
> Thank you for yet another prompt response.  It seems almost churlish to say
> that unfortunately that is not what I have been asking for -- I must be
> very bad at expressing myself to have given so many different people so
> many different mistaken impressions of my request.  To me a product roadmap
> would be a quite high-level view of the new products and major deveopments
> and their linkages looking out on a time scale significantly in excess of a
> single year, and at a level of detail significantly less than the
> aggregation of all the teams' quarterly plans.  The roadmap would have the
> level of abstraction, interconnection and timscale that allows you to say
> that a three-year project such as the one you have just announced will
> expedite features on your roadmap and that the grant enabled accelerating
> the already started work on Structured Commons into a quicker three-year
> time frame: so a roadmap on which you can locate a project with a time
> frame that was previously beyond three years let alone one.  It is also
> known that there are long-term projects such as parser unification, new
> editors and discussion systems which look out well beyond the current
> year.  Are there others -- we do not (yet) know.
>
> So again, my request is that you share this higher-level, longer-term, if
> not completely definitve roadmap with the community in the interests of
> transparency not only as an abstract  objective but in order to maximise
> the benefits of early engagement, discussion and co-creation.
>
> Yours
> "Rogol"
>
> On Tue, Jan 10, 2017 at 9:29 PM, Wes Moran  wrote:
>
> > Hello Rogol,
> >
> > Thanks for the question.  The Annual Plan we follow and share with the
> > community for review before we begin our work is available on Meta [1].
> We
> > update specific plans on a quarterly basis on our goals pages [2] as they
> > may evolve over the year. We also provide a number of links for the
> > specific teams on our Product page and welcome participation, discussion
> or
> > connection through those pathways and directly with the feature teams
> [3].
> >
> > Specifically the Wikidata, Community Tech, Editing and Discovery teams
> have
> > specific