Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

[MZMcBride]

Mike Peel wrote:
>I haven't been following this discussion too closely, but my sense is that
>a few people on this mailing list have already decided on an
>outcome and are seeking “oppose" and "feedback" to legitimize and
>validate that predetermined decision.
>
>Mike
>(Seriously - please give more constructive feedback, and engage in
>conversation, everyone's working towards the same goals here.)

I'm genuinely curious what you think a "Director of Brand" does. Other
than leading a rebranding effort, what does that role entail?

We're talking about the same organization that hired search engine
optimization consultants. For Wikipedia, a site with notoriously
incredible search engine results page placement. And even among the sleazy
underbelly of search engine optimization consultants, Wikimedia Foundation
Inc. partnered with a particularly bad group.

We're also talking about the same organization that unilaterally changed
its logo in a dramatic "fade to black".

Operating in good faith only works bidirectionally. When people are
spending hundreds of thousands of dollars and making bad decisions without
community consultation, much less community endorsement, it becomes clear
that at least one party is no longer acting in good faith.

So, no, I don't think everyone is working toward the same goals here.
Should we have a conversation about the neglected sister projects?
Absolutely. This isn't it.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

[Andrew Lih]

On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 2:42 PM Ad Huikeshoven  wrote:

> Hi Andrew,
>
> There has already been an extensive consultation in the first half year of
> 2019. Zack presented the outcome to the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia
> Foundation August 14th in Stockholm. Het got a go for a next phase. The
> current dialogue is about implementation details, as far as I understand
> the status of the current process.
>

Yes, but perhaps what folks may miss is that there is a fundamental
disconnect between the numbers as presented earlier in this thread versus
what has been seen in various forums and discussions.

To wit: one figure that is less than 1% and one that is much much greater
than 50%, both of which are trying to measure the same sentiment. That
should give us all pause about how legitimate the next steps may be,
regardless of which side one is on.

On-wiki discussion of this:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk%3ACommunications%2FWikimedia_brands%2F2030_research_and_planning%2Fcommunity_review%2Fresults&type=revision&diff=19372447&oldid=19372300

-Andrew
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

[Aron Manning]

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 20:27, Mike Peel  wrote:

> > Hi.
> >
> > I haven't been following this discussion too closely, but my sense is
> that
> > a few people within Wikimedia Foundation Inc. have already decided on an
> > outcome and are seeking "support" and "feedback" to legitimize and
> > validate that predetermined decision.
>
> Hi.
>
> I haven't been following this discussion too closely, but my sense is that
> a few people on this mailing list have already decided on an
> outcome and are seeking “oppose" and "feedback" to legitimize and
> validate that predetermined decision.
>
> Mike
> (Seriously - please give more constructive feedback, and engage in
> conversation, everyone's working towards the same goals here.)
>

Yes. If we could just put aside discussing people ad hominem, and instead
focus on *reasoning*,  also known as constructive feedback / criticism.
According to the original email that should happen on meta
,
or on wikimedia space

.

Aron
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

[Ad Huikeshoven]

Hi Andrew,

There has already been an extensive consultation in the first half year of
2019. Zack presented the outcome to the Board of Trustees of the Wikimedia
Foundation August 14th in Stockholm. Het got a go for a next phase. The
current dialogue is about implementation details, as far as I understand
the status of the current process.

Regards,

Ad

Op do 12 sep. 2019 17:14 schreef Andrew Lih :

> Folks, it's not clear this email thread is going to register at all as
> feedback for this process.
>
> The only recognized feedback mechanisms according to the original mail are
> the following:
>
> 1. Wikimedia Space group -
> https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/g/brand-network
> Currently 13 members
>
> 2.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review
> No new conversations
>
> 3.
>
> https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review/results
> A dialogue that has been started to discuss the problems of the KPIs and
> metrics.
>
> I'd highly suggest if you want to make your feedback count, you go to these
> venues.
>
> -Andrew
>
>
>
> On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:32 PM Ferdinando Traversa <
> ferdi.trave...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > It’ll be a very very important RFC. More than elections, it’s about all
> > global identity.
> > CentralNotice is appropriate.
> >
> > Ferdinando
> >
> > > Il giorno 7 set 2019, alle ore 22:06, David Gerard 
> > ha scritto:
> > >
> > > I concur, it sounds sensible.
> > >
> > > (I'll note, I'm not actually against the name change proposal - but
> > > it's got to be presented to the community properly.)
> > >
> > > On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 20:50, Kiril Simeonovski
> > >  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> HI David,
> > >>
> > >> Yes, it stands to reason to announce on all wikis in a similar way as
> > the
> > >> announcements about board or steward elections.
> > >>
> > >> Best,
> > >> Kiril
> > >>
> > >>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 9:46 PM David Gerard 
> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>> On all wikis?
> > >>>
> > >>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 19:19, Yaroslav Blanter 
> > wrote:
> > 
> >  Right.
> > 
> >  I guess a central notice about an RfC would be appropriate.
> > 
> >  Cheers
> >  Yaroslav
> > 
> >  On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:16 PM Kiril Simeonovski <
> >  kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > It seems like there is a clear consensus to open an RfC on Meta
> about
> > >>> this,
> > > so we can safely move forward with it and close this thread.
> > >>> Otherwise, we
> > > will most likely keep up boggling our minds with the 20-per-cent
> > >>> metric and
> > > endlessly discuss how unfortunate is this for the global community
> > >>> when the
> > > only rational thing we can do is take action and save everyone's
> > time.
> > >
> > > Do you have any concluding remarks or comments regarding the RfC?
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Kiril
> > >
> > > On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 7:57 PM Ferdinando Traversa <
> > > ferdi.trave...@gmail.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> I’m against and sincerly I don’t trust this datas (80% agrees? Are
> > >>> you
> > >> kidding me? I’ve seen the meta discussion). I think a Meta CLEAR
> > >>> VOTE as
> > >> suggested here is the best way. Imposing a change like this is a
> > >>> wrong
> > >> decision.
> > >>
> > >> Regards.
> > >>
> > >>> Il giorno 6 set 2019, alle ore 05:49, Zack McCune <
> > > zmcc...@wikimedia.org>
> > >> ha scritto:
> > >>>
> > >>> *Summary* - We want your help with a voluntary, OPT-IN design
> > >>> process
> > > for
> > >>> movement branding.  Please join the in-depth discussion group, or
> > >>> watch
> > >> for
> > >>> updates on Meta-Wiki.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> Hello all,
> > >>>
> > >>> After 4 months of community consultation, spanning dozens of
> > > affiliates,
> > >>> several mailing lists, community conferences, and Meta-Wiki, I am
> > > pleased
> > >>> to share a summary of feedback on the proposed 2030 movement
> brand
> > >> strategy
> > >>> [1].
> > >>>
> > >>> From more than 319 comments, representing 150 individual
> > >>> contributors
> > > and
> > >>> 63 affiliates, we assessed 6 major themes in feedback:
> > >>>
> > >>>  1.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Reducing confusion
> > >>>  2.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Protecting reputation
> > >>>  3.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Supporting sister projects
> > >>>  4.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Addressing (legal, governmental) risks
> > >>>  5.
> > >>>
> > >>>  Supporting movement growth
> > >>>  6.
> > >>>
> > >>>  The process of change
> > >>>
> > >>> Please visit our feedback summary page to learn more [2]. You
> will
> > >>> see
> > >>> examples of comments within each section

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

[Mike Peel]

> On 12 Sep 2019, at 17:47, MZMcBride  wrote:
> 
> Andrew Lih wrote:
>> Folks, it's not clear this email thread is going to register at all as
>> feedback for this process.
> 
> Hi.
> 
> I haven't been following this discussion too closely, but my sense is that
> a few people within Wikimedia Foundation Inc. have already decided on an
> outcome and are seeking "support" and "feedback" to legitimize and
> validate that predetermined decision.

Hi.

I haven't been following this discussion too closely, but my sense is that
a few people on this mailing list have already decided on an
outcome and are seeking “oppose" and "feedback" to legitimize and
validate that predetermined decision.

Mike
(Seriously - please give more constructive feedback, and engage in 
conversation, everyone's working towards the same goals here.)
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

[MZMcBride]

Andrew Lih wrote:
>Folks, it's not clear this email thread is going to register at all as
>feedback for this process.

Hi.

I haven't been following this discussion too closely, but my sense is that
a few people within Wikimedia Foundation Inc. have already decided on an
outcome and are seeking "support" and "feedback" to legitimize and
validate that predetermined decision.

MZMcBride



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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Community feedback and next steps on movement brand proposal

[Andrew Lih]

Folks, it's not clear this email thread is going to register at all as
feedback for this process.

The only recognized feedback mechanisms according to the original mail are
the following:

1. Wikimedia Space group - https://discuss-space.wmflabs.org/g/brand-network
Currently 13 members

2.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review
No new conversations

3.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Communications/Wikimedia_brands/2030_research_and_planning/community_review/results
A dialogue that has been started to discuss the problems of the KPIs and
metrics.

I'd highly suggest if you want to make your feedback count, you go to these
venues.

-Andrew



On Mon, Sep 9, 2019 at 8:32 PM Ferdinando Traversa 
wrote:

> It’ll be a very very important RFC. More than elections, it’s about all
> global identity.
> CentralNotice is appropriate.
>
> Ferdinando
>
> > Il giorno 7 set 2019, alle ore 22:06, David Gerard 
> ha scritto:
> >
> > I concur, it sounds sensible.
> >
> > (I'll note, I'm not actually against the name change proposal - but
> > it's got to be presented to the community properly.)
> >
> > On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 20:50, Kiril Simeonovski
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> HI David,
> >>
> >> Yes, it stands to reason to announce on all wikis in a similar way as
> the
> >> announcements about board or steward elections.
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Kiril
> >>
> >>> On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 9:46 PM David Gerard  wrote:
> >>>
> >>> On all wikis?
> >>>
> >>> On Sat, 7 Sep 2019 at 19:19, Yaroslav Blanter 
> wrote:
> 
>  Right.
> 
>  I guess a central notice about an RfC would be appropriate.
> 
>  Cheers
>  Yaroslav
> 
>  On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 8:16 PM Kiril Simeonovski <
>  kiril.simeonov...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> >
> > It seems like there is a clear consensus to open an RfC on Meta about
> >>> this,
> > so we can safely move forward with it and close this thread.
> >>> Otherwise, we
> > will most likely keep up boggling our minds with the 20-per-cent
> >>> metric and
> > endlessly discuss how unfortunate is this for the global community
> >>> when the
> > only rational thing we can do is take action and save everyone's
> time.
> >
> > Do you have any concluding remarks or comments regarding the RfC?
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Kiril
> >
> > On Sat, Sep 7, 2019 at 7:57 PM Ferdinando Traversa <
> > ferdi.trave...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I’m against and sincerly I don’t trust this datas (80% agrees? Are
> >>> you
> >> kidding me? I’ve seen the meta discussion). I think a Meta CLEAR
> >>> VOTE as
> >> suggested here is the best way. Imposing a change like this is a
> >>> wrong
> >> decision.
> >>
> >> Regards.
> >>
> >>> Il giorno 6 set 2019, alle ore 05:49, Zack McCune <
> > zmcc...@wikimedia.org>
> >> ha scritto:
> >>>
> >>> *Summary* - We want your help with a voluntary, OPT-IN design
> >>> process
> > for
> >>> movement branding.  Please join the in-depth discussion group, or
> >>> watch
> >> for
> >>> updates on Meta-Wiki.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Hello all,
> >>>
> >>> After 4 months of community consultation, spanning dozens of
> > affiliates,
> >>> several mailing lists, community conferences, and Meta-Wiki, I am
> > pleased
> >>> to share a summary of feedback on the proposed 2030 movement brand
> >> strategy
> >>> [1].
> >>>
> >>> From more than 319 comments, representing 150 individual
> >>> contributors
> > and
> >>> 63 affiliates, we assessed 6 major themes in feedback:
> >>>
> >>>  1.
> >>>
> >>>  Reducing confusion
> >>>  2.
> >>>
> >>>  Protecting reputation
> >>>  3.
> >>>
> >>>  Supporting sister projects
> >>>  4.
> >>>
> >>>  Addressing (legal, governmental) risks
> >>>  5.
> >>>
> >>>  Supporting movement growth
> >>>  6.
> >>>
> >>>  The process of change
> >>>
> >>> Please visit our feedback summary page to learn more [2]. You will
> >>> see
> >>> examples of comments within each section, along with a rough
> >>> indication
> >> of
> >>> how many of the comments that we received were related to each
> >>> theme.
> >>>
> >>> The comments sometimes contradict one another, showing that across
> >>> our
> >> wide
> >>> movement’s experience, different points of view are common (and a
> >>> sign
> > of
> >>> health!). To visualize these tensions, we have created “polarity
> >>> maps”
> >>> which are used to help visualize how different arguments coexist in
> >> tension
> >>> with each other.
> >>>
> >>> Ultimately, the comments provided from you all are very thoughtful
> >>> and
> >>> useful guidance on what is needed to make our movement’s branding
> >>> succes

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration with Indonesian Air Force

[Ziko van Dijk]

Dear colleague,

Very interesting - I was not aware that armed forces can be a partner of
GLAM. We are curious to see the link to a Commons category.

Kind regards
Ziko van Dijk

main author of :
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesischer_Unabh%C3%A4ngigkeitskrieg



Am Do., 12. Sept. 2019 um 12:51 Uhr schrieb Biyanto Rebin <
biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id>:

> Dear all,
>
> We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia will collaborate with
> Indonesian Air Force to provide free access for their museum collection to
> wider audiences. We are starting to upload and provide the QR code to their
> collection.
>
> Thank Misdianto (User:NaidNdeso
> ), our community member,
> who connect us with the IAF.
>
> Source:
> https://tni-au.mil.id/sajikan-informasi-digital-dispenau-gandeng-wikimedia/
> English version:
>
> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=id&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ftni-au.mil.id%2Fsajikan-informasi-digital-dispenau-gandeng-wikimedia%2F
>
> All the best from Indonesia.
>
> --
> Biyanto Rebin | Ketua Umum (*Chair*) 2016-2018
> Wikimedia Indonesia
> Surel: biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id
> -
> Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan:
> https://wikimedia.or.id/sumbangan/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration with Indonesian Air Force

[Andy Mabbett]

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 at 11:50, Biyanto Rebin
 wrote:

> We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia will collaborate with
> Indonesian Air Force to provide free access for their museum collection to
> wider audiences.

Great news - well done!

> We are starting to upload and provide the QR code to their collection.

Can you confirm that you will be using QRpedia?

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration with Indonesian Air Force

[Shlomi Fish]

On Thu, 12 Sep 2019 17:50:57 +0700
Biyanto Rebin  wrote:

> Dear all,
> 
> We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia will collaborate with
> Indonesian Air Force to provide free access for their museum collection to
> wider audiences. We are starting to upload and provide the QR code to their
> collection.
> 
> Thank Misdianto (User:NaidNdeso
> ), our community member,
> who connect us with the IAF.
> 
> Source:
> https://tni-au.mil.id/sajikan-informasi-digital-dispenau-gandeng-wikimedia/
> English version:
> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=id&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ftni-au.mil.id%2Fsajikan-informasi-digital-dispenau-gandeng-wikimedia%2F
> 
> All the best from Indonesia.
> 

Great news! Thanks!

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration with Indonesian Air Force

[Biyanto Rebin]

Thanks, Shani!

I hope we can be trusted with more organisations and make sure the public
can easily access their collection for free.

Best wishes,

Pada tanggal Kam, 12 Sep 2019 pukul 17.56 Shani Evenstein <
shani.e...@gmail.com> menulis:

> Wonderful news!
> Congratulations and good luck with this project!
>
> Shani.
>
> ---
> *Shani Evenstein Sigalov*
>
> * Lecturer, Tel Aviv University.
> * EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School
> of Medicine, Tel Aviv University.
> * PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University.
> * OER & Emerging Technologies Coordinator, UNESCO Chair
>  on Technology,
> Internationalization
> and Education, School of Education, Tel Aviv University
> .
>
> * Member of the Board of Trustees
> ,
> Wikimedia
> Foundation .
> * Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society
> .
> * Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda .
>
> +972-525640648
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 1:52 PM Biyanto Rebin <
> biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id>
> wrote:
>
> > Dear all,
> >
> > We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia will collaborate with
> > Indonesian Air Force to provide free access for their museum collection
> to
> > wider audiences. We are starting to upload and provide the QR code to
> their
> > collection.
> >
> > Thank Misdianto (User:NaidNdeso
> > ), our community
> member,
> > who connect us with the IAF.
> >
> > Source:
> >
> https://tni-au.mil.id/sajikan-informasi-digital-dispenau-gandeng-wikimedia/
> > English version:
> >
> >
> https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=id&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ftni-au.mil.id%2Fsajikan-informasi-digital-dispenau-gandeng-wikimedia%2F
> >
> > All the best from Indonesia.
> >
> > --
> > Biyanto Rebin | Ketua Umum (*Chair*) 2016-2018
> > Wikimedia Indonesia
> > Surel: biyanto.re...@wikimedia.or.id
> > -
> > Dukung upaya kami membebaskan pengetahuan:
> > https://wikimedia.or.id/sumbangan/
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Collaboration with Indonesian Air Force

[Shani Evenstein]

Wonderful news!
Congratulations and good luck with this project!

Shani.

---
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* Lecturer, Tel Aviv University.
* EdTech Innovation Strategist, NY/American Medical Program, Sackler School
of Medicine, Tel Aviv University.
* PhD Candidate, School of Education, Tel Aviv University.
* OER & Emerging Technologies Coordinator, UNESCO Chair
 on Technology, Internationalization
and Education, School of Education, Tel Aviv University
.

* Member of the Board of Trustees
,
Wikimedia
Foundation .
* Chairperson, The Hebrew Literature Digitization Society
.
* Chief Editor, Project Ben-Yehuda .

+972-525640648


On Thu, Sep 12, 2019 at 1:52 PM Biyanto Rebin 
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia will collaborate with
> Indonesian Air Force to provide free access for their museum collection to
> wider audiences. We are starting to upload and provide the QR code to their
> collection.
>
> Thank Misdianto (User:NaidNdeso
> ), our community member,
> who connect us with the IAF.
>
> Source:
> https://tni-au.mil.id/sajikan-informasi-digital-dispenau-gandeng-wikimedia/
> English version:
>
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[Wikimedia-l] Collaboration with Indonesian Air Force

[Biyanto Rebin]

Dear all,

We are happy to announce that Wikimedia Indonesia will collaborate with
Indonesian Air Force to provide free access for their museum collection to
wider audiences. We are starting to upload and provide the QR code to their
collection.

Thank Misdianto (User:NaidNdeso
), our community member,
who connect us with the IAF.

Source:
https://tni-au.mil.id/sajikan-informasi-digital-dispenau-gandeng-wikimedia/
English version:
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=id&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Ftni-au.mil.id%2Fsajikan-informasi-digital-dispenau-gandeng-wikimedia%2F

All the best from Indonesia.

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Wikimedia Indonesia
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