No it is an administrative process. It follows its own rules IN ORDER TO do
what it does. The notion that material is to be useful to Wikipedia is NOT
covered by any legal restraints. This notion that is alive and well, the
notion that copyright can be retroactively applied never mind the
YEs Commons does have it all laid out at
https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS so that everyone can follow
On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 15:08, Gnangarra wrote:
> to quote Gerard
> There is no law that insists on the existing rules and regulations as put
>> forward, rules and
to quote Gerard
There is no law that insists on the existing rules and regulations as put
> forward, rules and regulations that are blatantly unfit
OTRS is very much a legal process because its related to Copyright laws,
both in the US and in the country in which they reside.
Also, overworked groups with large backlogs struggling to maintain high quality
tend to have less patience with the inexperienced and not-yet-competent than we
might like. It is also possible that some of the workers in those groups are
not as competent as we would like them to be, but at those
This does seem unreasonable. Do they have an explanation at Commons?
This is happening without standardising in one label Wikipedia, so it is
jumping to quite a conclusion to assume that the issue is related.
For the record, I am also opposed to rebranding to Wikipedia, but I do not
Thank you for demonstrating the extend OTRS is not fit for purpose. I
understand that OTRS is governed by rules and regulations but a reference
is made to "legal". There is no law that insists on the existing rules and
regulations as put forward, rules and regulations that are blatantly unfit
For legal reasons OTRS requires very specific wording, it declines
permissions that fail to meet that very strict wording.
The person must;
- establish their authority to license the image
- the license must be a free license PD or CC-by
- it must not say the use is to, for, or on
Wikimania is fast approaching, this year it'll be held in Bangkok and as
always the Wikimedia Foundation has a limited number of opportunities to
assist people to attend. There are two types of scholarships the first
being a full scholarship which covers, travel, accommodation, and
This has nothing to do with Commons only supporting Wikipedia. Commons supports
ALL of the Wikimedia projects, and always has.
As is quite clearly set out in the Commons SCOPE policy, “a file that is used
in good faith on a Wikimedia project is always considered educational”, and
hence is in
Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s).
Il giorno mer 19 feb 2020 alle ore 22:35 Andy Mabbett <
a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto:
> I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of
> an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w
For me there is no difference. When Commons OTRS is not behaving as is to
be expected, they provide a serious disservice to our movement and yes, it
may be volunteering but that is not a reason to accept what is not
What will be done to remedy this predicament?
I hope I am one of those "rare exceptions" that Paulo Santos Perneta writes
about. I also wish that welcoming would be neither rare or exceptional.
- For newly registered users, which I define as someone with a redlinked
talk page, I welcome them.
- If I am going to revert
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:10, Rebecca O'Neill wrote:
> I think this is what is being referenced:
Thank you; it is.
The issue is not with Commons, but with Commons' OTRS.
tl;dr = wanted photographs of individuals
I have a more nuanced view.
The community benefits from new editors who are acting in good faith
and willing to learn.
I agree that treatment of new editors can be problematic.
On the other hand, having become one of the "insiders", I now
understand how English Wikipedia has a limited supply of
On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:46 AM Philip Kopetzky
> Hi Chuck,
> since this is hopefully a less busy season of the year, have the internal
> discussions yielded anything that might help in breaking these numbers down
> a little bit more? :-)
> On Wed, 16 Oct 2019
I see. If I am reading it right I think that in that case I would never tried
a direct OTRS , mostly because I know how the system is designed and its
possible rigid reaction. IMHO it's not designed to minimize these points of
stress but to encourage them. It looks more like a play when some
As a rule, (at least) in Wikipedia, with very rare exceptions, established
communities of editors treat newbies as unwelcome invaders.
No idea how to solve that, since it's a problem related to the nature of
humane beings, not something technical.
But the result is a very low rate of retention,
I'm not that familiar with the photosubmissions OTRS queue, and I've no
idea if we have that rule internally on OTRS.
But it surely seems a weird rule. Anything that is on scope to Commons -
which is the case for anything used in Wikdiata too - should be accepted in
This is the chat (too long) at Wikidata
This is the chat at Commons
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at
I think this is what is being referenced:
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:09, Phil Nash via Wikimedia-l <
> I haven't seen any evidence of this on Commons. We do delete selfies of
I haven't seen any evidence of this on Commons. We do delete selfies of
non-Wikimedians because we are not Facebook. Apart from that, I'd like to see
some evidence for this. Thanks
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Can you provide some links?
I keep asking images for Wikidata items since years and I do not recall any
issue at all. I have the feeling that as long everything is formally correct
(all categories prepared and linked via wikidata infobox) nobody digs into that
It's true however that
Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support
At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards. We
are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The best
suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they
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