Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, No it is an administrative process. It follows its own rules IN ORDER TO do what it does. The notion that material is to be useful to Wikipedia is NOT covered by any legal restraints. This notion that is alive and well, the notion that copyright can be retroactively applied never mind the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gnangarra
YEs Commons does have it all laid out at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS so that everyone can follow those steps. On Wed, 26 Feb 2020 at 15:08, Gnangarra wrote: > to quote Gerard > > There is no law that insists on the existing rules and regulations as put >> forward, rules and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gnangarra
to quote Gerard There is no law that insists on the existing rules and regulations as put > forward, rules and regulations that are blatantly unfit for purpose. OTRS is very much a legal process because its related to Copyright laws, both in the US and in the country in which they reside.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-25 Thread Peter Southwood
Also, overworked groups with large backlogs struggling to maintain high quality tend to have less patience with the inexperienced and not-yet-competent than we might like. It is also possible that some of the workers in those groups are not as competent as we would like them to be, but at those

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Peter Southwood
This does seem unreasonable. Do they have an explanation at Commons? This is happening without standardising in one label Wikipedia, so it is jumping to quite a conclusion to assume that the issue is related. For the record, I am also opposed to rebranding to Wikipedia, but I do not think this

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Thank you for demonstrating the extend OTRS is not fit for purpose. I understand that OTRS is governed by rules and regulations but a reference is made to "legal". There is no law that insists on the existing rules and regulations as put forward, rules and regulations that are blatantly unfit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gnangarra
For legal reasons OTRS requires very specific wording, it declines permissions that fail to meet that very strict wording. The person must; - establish their authority to license the image - the license must be a free license PD or CC-by - it must not say the use is to, for, or on

[Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Scholarships Wikimania 2020

2020-02-25 Thread Gnangarra
Wikimania is fast approaching, this year it'll be held in Bangkok and as always the Wikimedia Foundation has a limited number of opportunities to assist people to attend. There are two types of scholarships the first being a full scholarship which covers, travel, accommodation, and registration,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Michael Maggs
This has nothing to do with Commons only supporting Wikipedia. Commons supports ALL of the Wikimedia projects, and always has. As is quite clearly set out in the Commons SCOPE policy, “a file that is used in good faith on a Wikimedia project is always considered educational”, and hence is in

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-25 Thread Vi to
Hard to tell anything without the relevant link(s). Vito Il giorno mer 19 feb 2020 alle ore 22:35 Andy Mabbett < a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk> ha scritto: > I have just come across a case on en.Wikipedia where the daughter of > an article subject added details of his funeral (his death in 1984,w >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

2020-02-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For me there is no difference. When Commons OTRS is not behaving as is to be expected, they provide a serious disservice to our movement and yes, it may be volunteering but that is not a reason to accept what is not acceptable. What will be done to remedy this predicament? Thanks,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-25 Thread Raymond Leonard
I hope I am one of those "rare exceptions" that Paulo Santos Perneta writes about. I also wish that welcoming would be neither rare or exceptional. My habit: - For newly registered users, which I define as someone with a redlinked talk page, I welcome them. - If I am going to revert

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

2020-02-25 Thread Andy Mabbett
On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:10, Rebecca O'Neill wrote: > > I think this is what is being referenced: > https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata Thank you; it is. The issue is not with Commons, but with Commons' OTRS. tl;dr = wanted photographs of individuals

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-25 Thread Pine W
I have a more nuanced view. The community benefits from new editors who are acting in good faith and willing to learn. I agree that treatment of new editors can be problematic. On the other hand, having become one of the "insiders", I now understand how English Wikipedia has a limited supply of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] FY1819 Fundraising Report

2020-02-25 Thread effe iets anders
+1 On Thu, Feb 20, 2020 at 9:46 AM Philip Kopetzky wrote: > Hi Chuck, > > since this is hopefully a less busy season of the year, have the internal > discussions yielded anything that might help in breaking these numbers down > a little bit more? :-) > > Best, > Philip > > On Wed, 16 Oct 2019

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
I see. If I am reading it right I think that in that case I would never tried a direct OTRS , mostly because I know how the system is designed and its possible rigid reaction. IMHO it's not designed to minimize these points of stress but to encourage them. It looks more like a play when some

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Treatment of newbies with mild CoI

2020-02-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
As a rule, (at least) in Wikipedia, with very rare exceptions, established communities of editors treat newbies as unwelcome invaders. No idea how to solve that, since it's a problem related to the nature of humane beings, not something technical. But the result is a very low rate of retention,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Paulo Santos Perneta
I'm not that familiar with the photosubmissions OTRS queue, and I've no idea if we have that rule internally on OTRS. But it surely seems a weird rule. Anything that is on scope to Commons - which is the case for anything used in Wikdiata too - should be accepted in photosubmission, period. That

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, This is the chat (too long) at Wikidata https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Wikidata:Project_chat#Images_for_Wikidata_-_%22Global_Young_Academy%22 This is the chat at Commons https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata Thanks, GerardM On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

2020-02-25 Thread Rebecca O'Neill
I think this is what is being referenced: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:OTRS/Noticeboard#OTRS_&_Wikidata On Tue, 25 Feb 2020 at 17:09, Phil Nash via Wikimedia-l < wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org> wrote: > I haven't seen any evidence of this on Commons. We do delete selfies of >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on otherprojects

2020-02-25 Thread Phil Nash via Wikimedia-l
I haven't seen any evidence of this on Commons. We do delete selfies of non-Wikimedians because we are not Facebook. Apart from that, I'd like to see some evidence for this. Thanks User:Rodhullandemu --- New Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail replacement - get it here:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Alessandro Marchetti via Wikimedia-l
Can you provide some links? I keep asking images for Wikidata items since years and I do not recall any issue at all. I have the feeling that as long everything is formally correct (all categories prepared and linked via wikidata infobox) nobody digs into that very much. It's true however that

[Wikimedia-l] Why renaming to Wikipedia will wreak havoc on other projects

2020-02-25 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Apparantly at Commons they have standardised themselves to only support Wikipedia. At Wikidata we have people who are notable according to our standards. We are actively asking them for images to illustrate our information. The best suggestion we get is: do not ask for images because they

[Wikimedia-l] Project Grant Proposal for Education Program

2020-02-25 Thread Rocky Masum
Hello All, Hope all of you are doing well. I'm proposing a Wikimedia Foundation Project Grant for Wikipedia Education Program in Bangladesh. Please check it out and endorse it if you support it. Proposal link: