Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-24 Thread Jane Darnell
I am not convinced that this is useful (yet). I have been generating some red-link lists for the upcoming international edit-a-thon about Art Feminism on February 1st, and I tried out this tool to see if I could come with with lists of women artists already in other projects. With Reasonator I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, You are conflating two tools .. they are still quite distinct.. - What you refer to is a query tool and IT provides you with the numbers you quote. - Reasonator provides you with a search functionality and a display functionality So Reasonator gives you something like this [1]

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-24 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, As I recall it there is a category with Russian female painters.. Using Widar [1] and identifying them as a painter and a female takes all of 5 minutes.. Thanks, GerardM [1] http://tools.wmflabs.org/wikidata-todo/autolist.html On 24 January 2014 13:40, Jane Darnell jane...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 22 January 2014 08:35, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: There are many ways to skin a cat. The most obvious one is to add a {{Reasonator}} template as a place holder in a Wikipedia. Another is to capture a not found or a red link and insert Reasonator info. What I am

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Magnus Manske
Hi Andy, I thought about that as well. Besides the intro text, the info box would be the main attraction; but if infoboxes were to fall back on wikidata information, which they could technically already do, all we'd have to do is add a blank infobox, and it should automatically fill up with the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Daniel Mietchen
What about having the Reasonator sit in the Draft namespace, with a link from the search results or the text preloaded for non-existing pages in the main namespace? Daniel -- http://www.naturkundemuseum-berlin.de/en/institution/mitarbeiter/mietchen-daniel/

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Having Reasonator generated content in a draft namespace is *NOT* a bad idea. - I do not know enough about the draft namespace.. Is there a way to discover that an article exists in Draft ?? - My personal target for this functionality is very much the smaller projects. By using a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Steven Walling
On Thu, Jan 23, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Daniel Mietchen daniel.mietc...@googlemail.com wrote: What about having the Reasonator sit in the Draft namespace, with a link from the search results or the text preloaded for non-existing pages in the main namespace? Daniel It is still far too early to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, We can provide information now(ish). We are discussing draft because it is a likely avenue. It is however very much NOT intended for the English Wikipedia. If anything it would be much better if we work this out on other Wikipedias first. The most benefit from Reasonator will be for the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 23 January 2014 15:12, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: I thought about that as well. Besides the intro text, the info box would be the main attraction; but if infoboxes were to fall back on wikidata information, which they could technically already do, all we'd have to do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-23 Thread Risker
On 23 January 2014 15:42, Andy Mabbett a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk wrote: On 23 January 2014 15:12, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: I thought about that as well. Besides the intro text, the info box would be the main attraction; but if infoboxes were to fall back on

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-22 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, The mail I send is meant to be a warning in advance. If you are interested in the Reasonator, it is in continuous development and information is provided on an almost daily basis. When you have read it, you may understand the potential it has. It will help you understand why it can have a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-21 Thread Ryan Lane
On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 7:17 AM, Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.comwrote: Hoi, At this moment Wikipedia red links provide no information whatsoever. This is not cool. In Wikidata we often have labels for the missing (=red link) articles. We can and do provide information from

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-21 Thread Magnus Manske
On a technical note, Reasonator is pure JavaScript, so should be easily portable, even to a Wikipedia:Reasonator.js page (or several pages, with support JS). git here: https://bitbucket.org/magnusmanske/reasonator On Tue, Jan 21, 2014 at 5:13 PM, Ryan Lane rlan...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jan

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-21 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Given that Reasonator requests services through Javascript, it will likely piggy back on the Wikidata infrastructure. As caching is as far as I know not implemented on Wikidata, it will benefit everyone when caching for Wikidata gets on the WMF-Ops agenda. Until now Wikidata is considered to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikitech-l] Reasonator use in Wikipedias

2014-01-21 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Can you explain how such a {{Reasonator}} template would actually work. You say that it would be a stand-in until the article was actually written, but how would it know when the article is actually written? Is there a way to access the target article's state via Lua? From a community