Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I have added the minimal I have to do for  Mozambique [1].  They are three
Listeria lists and consequently they will update. I do work on the data but
my objective is not to complete them all.  I add the relation to the higher
level "administrative and territorial entity". To do this I often add new
ones and change items that are a combination of two levels (eg a town and
an entity). These are different, require different statements.

What I also do is copy these queries to Wikipedias. I do that when I do
that. Now I am working on the Zulu Wikipedia so the Yoruba and other
Wikipedias have to wait.

My wish is for people to notice this work, contribute to it and use the
result in templates. In the Celtic Knot conference, at the recent
Wikimania, presentations were made how information can be provided from
Wikidata using infoboxes that require little expertise and work. When a
small Wikipedia does not have basic information like the places where
people were born or died, that information has to be available from
something different from articles. When it is not possible to link, the
article will quickly become rather empty.

There is an ongoing discussion to update the Incubator project by providing
them with wikis. Supporting them with data is something I have advocated
for years. Particularly Africa has not been treated equally, the
information / data gap is huge. Have a look at this as well when you care
for Mozambique [2].
Thanks,
  GerardM



[1]  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Geography_of_Mozambique
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Africa#Mozambique

On 27 July 2018 at 00:25, Paulo Santos Perneta 
wrote:

> Hi
> ​
> Yaroslav ,
>
> I'm working with Mozambique as well. I've been thinking about adding all
> those divisions to Wikidata, and then generating the Wikipédia articles
> from that info (not "live", though, just copying the information). I
> believe it would be much quicker, and would fill and correct Wikidata
> entries on the way.
>
> If you are interested in using something like that, please drop me a note.
>
> ​All the best,
>
> Paulo​
>
>
> 2018-07-26 17:25 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav Blanter :
>
> > Hi Gerard,
> >
> > when you come to Mozambique, pls let me know, there are reliable sources
> > down to the third level administrative divisions. For example, the two
> > sources present in
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzi_District
> >
> > are available for every district (though I so far only added about half
> of
> > them to the English Wikipedia articles).
> >
> > Cheers
> > ​​
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > I do blog and tweet using #AfricaGap..  At this time I am adding
> > countries
> > > and their "administrative and territorial entities" in Wikidata. In
> many
> > a
> > > Wikipedia, they want to have "human settlements" linked to the lowest
> > level
> > > and these to every time a higher level.
> > >
> > > What I do is add more and more countries. The information is
> incomplete.
> > It
> > > takes a lot of people and a lot of time to get this done. To gain
> > > participation, I add Listeria list to a set of Wikipedias. I work on
> > > cleaning up the data but there is much to be done. One of the benefits
> of
> > > the Listeria lists for me is that I notice any and all activity. After
> > > Wikimania there was a spike, thanks to some bot work.
> > >
> > > What I have noticed is that information on Wikipedias did not keep up
> > with
> > > changes that rearanged these "territories". Consequently start and end
> > > dates are missing on many items. For me, the current situation is most
> > > relevant and historic "territories" are not really considered by me.
> > >
> > > You find what I am working on here [1]. You will find much of the same
> > data
> > > on several (African language) Wikipedias.
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Africa#African_
> > > geographical_subdivisions
> > >
> > > On 26 July 2018 at 12:33, KuboF Hromoslav 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great idea Romaine!
> > > >
> > > > I am now working on Esperanto Wikivoyage (in Incubator), mostly to
> make
> > > it
> > > > fully working. Now I am finishing Europe and immediately after that I
> > > will
> > > > focus on Africa (not only for the Africagap and to help our
> colleagues
> > > but
> > > > also to support tourism and facilitate meetings in Africa).
> > > >
> > > > See you online!
> > > > KuboF Hromoslav
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > po 23. 7. 2018 o 20:25 Romaine Wiki 
> > napísal(a):
> > > >
> > > > > The official part of Wikimania is over, this does not prevent
> > ourselves
> > > > > from celebrating Africa's first Wikimania online, in more
> particular:
> > > > > writing Wikipedia articles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Africa is under represented in Wikipedia, by writing about it we
> both
> > > > > celebrate our great 

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

[Yaroslav Blanter]

Hi Paulo,

in the first instance, I am interested in improving articles on the
Mozambique districts on the English Wikipedia. I have already done that for
the southern half of the country (Buzi District which I references to is a
representative example of how I see these articles).

I was not planning to do anything specific about these districts on
Wikidata or elsewhere, but if you think it would be useful we can discuss
and do smth.

(I will be on holidays for two weeks starting tomorrow, my user name is
Ymblanter).

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Fri, Jul 27, 2018 at 12:25 AM, Paulo Santos Perneta <
paulospern...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi
> ​
> Yaroslav ,
>
> I'm working with Mozambique as well. I've been thinking about adding all
> those divisions to Wikidata, and then generating the Wikipédia articles
> from that info (not "live", though, just copying the information). I
> believe it would be much quicker, and would fill and correct Wikidata
> entries on the way.
>
> If you are interested in using something like that, please drop me a note.
>
> ​All the best,
>
> Paulo​
>
>
> 2018-07-26 17:25 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav Blanter :
>
> > Hi Gerard,
> >
> > when you come to Mozambique, pls let me know, there are reliable sources
> > down to the third level administrative divisions. For example, the two
> > sources present in
> >
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzi_District
> >
> > are available for every district (though I so far only added about half
> of
> > them to the English Wikipedia articles).
> >
> > Cheers
> > ​​
> > Yaroslav
> >
> > On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> > gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > I do blog and tweet using #AfricaGap..  At this time I am adding
> > countries
> > > and their "administrative and territorial entities" in Wikidata. In
> many
> > a
> > > Wikipedia, they want to have "human settlements" linked to the lowest
> > level
> > > and these to every time a higher level.
> > >
> > > What I do is add more and more countries. The information is
> incomplete.
> > It
> > > takes a lot of people and a lot of time to get this done. To gain
> > > participation, I add Listeria list to a set of Wikipedias. I work on
> > > cleaning up the data but there is much to be done. One of the benefits
> of
> > > the Listeria lists for me is that I notice any and all activity. After
> > > Wikimania there was a spike, thanks to some bot work.
> > >
> > > What I have noticed is that information on Wikipedias did not keep up
> > with
> > > changes that rearanged these "territories". Consequently start and end
> > > dates are missing on many items. For me, the current situation is most
> > > relevant and historic "territories" are not really considered by me.
> > >
> > > You find what I am working on here [1]. You will find much of the same
> > data
> > > on several (African language) Wikipedias.
> > > Thanks,
> > >  GerardM
> > >
> > >
> > > [1]
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Africa#African_
> > > geographical_subdivisions
> > >
> > > On 26 July 2018 at 12:33, KuboF Hromoslav 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Great idea Romaine!
> > > >
> > > > I am now working on Esperanto Wikivoyage (in Incubator), mostly to
> make
> > > it
> > > > fully working. Now I am finishing Europe and immediately after that I
> > > will
> > > > focus on Africa (not only for the Africagap and to help our
> colleagues
> > > but
> > > > also to support tourism and facilitate meetings in Africa).
> > > >
> > > > See you online!
> > > > KuboF Hromoslav
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > po 23. 7. 2018 o 20:25 Romaine Wiki 
> > napísal(a):
> > > >
> > > > > The official part of Wikimania is over, this does not prevent
> > ourselves
> > > > > from celebrating Africa's first Wikimania online, in more
> particular:
> > > > > writing Wikipedia articles.
> > > > >
> > > > > Africa is under represented in Wikipedia, by writing about it we
> both
> > > > > celebrate our great conference as well as we work on solving the
> > > > Africagap
> > > > >
> > > > > With some Dutchies we started the idea of having a list of like
> 10-20
> > > > > articles of subjects from Cape Town and surrounding area. For
> > example:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Well-known park in Cape Town:
> > > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company%27s_Garden
> > > > >
> > > > > The often referred to Dassie:
> > > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q323847
> > > > >
> > > > > Input needed!
> > > > >
> > > > > Romaine
> > > > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

[Paulo Santos Perneta]

Hi
​
Yaroslav ,

I'm working with Mozambique as well. I've been thinking about adding all
those divisions to Wikidata, and then generating the Wikipédia articles
from that info (not "live", though, just copying the information). I
believe it would be much quicker, and would fill and correct Wikidata
entries on the way.

If you are interested in using something like that, please drop me a note.

​All the best,

Paulo​


2018-07-26 17:25 GMT+01:00 Yaroslav Blanter :

> Hi Gerard,
>
> when you come to Mozambique, pls let me know, there are reliable sources
> down to the third level administrative divisions. For example, the two
> sources present in
>
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzi_District
>
> are available for every district (though I so far only added about half of
> them to the English Wikipedia articles).
>
> Cheers
> ​​
> Yaroslav
>
> On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen <
> gerard.meijs...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > Hoi,
> > I do blog and tweet using #AfricaGap..  At this time I am adding
> countries
> > and their "administrative and territorial entities" in Wikidata. In many
> a
> > Wikipedia, they want to have "human settlements" linked to the lowest
> level
> > and these to every time a higher level.
> >
> > What I do is add more and more countries. The information is incomplete.
> It
> > takes a lot of people and a lot of time to get this done. To gain
> > participation, I add Listeria list to a set of Wikipedias. I work on
> > cleaning up the data but there is much to be done. One of the benefits of
> > the Listeria lists for me is that I notice any and all activity. After
> > Wikimania there was a spike, thanks to some bot work.
> >
> > What I have noticed is that information on Wikipedias did not keep up
> with
> > changes that rearanged these "territories". Consequently start and end
> > dates are missing on many items. For me, the current situation is most
> > relevant and historic "territories" are not really considered by me.
> >
> > You find what I am working on here [1]. You will find much of the same
> data
> > on several (African language) Wikipedias.
> > Thanks,
> >  GerardM
> >
> >
> > [1]
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Africa#African_
> > geographical_subdivisions
> >
> > On 26 July 2018 at 12:33, KuboF Hromoslav 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > Great idea Romaine!
> > >
> > > I am now working on Esperanto Wikivoyage (in Incubator), mostly to make
> > it
> > > fully working. Now I am finishing Europe and immediately after that I
> > will
> > > focus on Africa (not only for the Africagap and to help our colleagues
> > but
> > > also to support tourism and facilitate meetings in Africa).
> > >
> > > See you online!
> > > KuboF Hromoslav
> > >
> > >
> > > po 23. 7. 2018 o 20:25 Romaine Wiki 
> napísal(a):
> > >
> > > > The official part of Wikimania is over, this does not prevent
> ourselves
> > > > from celebrating Africa's first Wikimania online, in more particular:
> > > > writing Wikipedia articles.
> > > >
> > > > Africa is under represented in Wikipedia, by writing about it we both
> > > > celebrate our great conference as well as we work on solving the
> > > Africagap
> > > >
> > > > With some Dutchies we started the idea of having a list of like 10-20
> > > > articles of subjects from Cape Town and surrounding area. For
> example:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Well-known park in Cape Town:
> > > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company%27s_Garden
> > > >
> > > > The often referred to Dassie:
> > > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q323847
> > > >
> > > > Input needed!
> > > >
> > > > Romaine
> > > > ___
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

[Yaroslav Blanter]

Hi Gerard,

when you come to Mozambique, pls let me know, there are reliable sources
down to the third level administrative divisions. For example, the two
sources present in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buzi_District

are available for every district (though I so far only added about half of
them to the English Wikipedia articles).

Cheers
Yaroslav

On Thu, Jul 26, 2018 at 3:01 PM, Gerard Meijssen 
wrote:

> Hoi,
> I do blog and tweet using #AfricaGap..  At this time I am adding countries
> and their "administrative and territorial entities" in Wikidata. In many a
> Wikipedia, they want to have "human settlements" linked to the lowest level
> and these to every time a higher level.
>
> What I do is add more and more countries. The information is incomplete. It
> takes a lot of people and a lot of time to get this done. To gain
> participation, I add Listeria list to a set of Wikipedias. I work on
> cleaning up the data but there is much to be done. One of the benefits of
> the Listeria lists for me is that I notice any and all activity. After
> Wikimania there was a spike, thanks to some bot work.
>
> What I have noticed is that information on Wikipedias did not keep up with
> changes that rearanged these "territories". Consequently start and end
> dates are missing on many items. For me, the current situation is most
> relevant and historic "territories" are not really considered by me.
>
> You find what I am working on here [1]. You will find much of the same data
> on several (African language) Wikipedias.
> Thanks,
>  GerardM
>
>
> [1]
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Africa#African_
> geographical_subdivisions
>
> On 26 July 2018 at 12:33, KuboF Hromoslav 
> wrote:
>
> > Great idea Romaine!
> >
> > I am now working on Esperanto Wikivoyage (in Incubator), mostly to make
> it
> > fully working. Now I am finishing Europe and immediately after that I
> will
> > focus on Africa (not only for the Africagap and to help our colleagues
> but
> > also to support tourism and facilitate meetings in Africa).
> >
> > See you online!
> > KuboF Hromoslav
> >
> >
> > po 23. 7. 2018 o 20:25 Romaine Wiki  napísal(a):
> >
> > > The official part of Wikimania is over, this does not prevent ourselves
> > > from celebrating Africa's first Wikimania online, in more particular:
> > > writing Wikipedia articles.
> > >
> > > Africa is under represented in Wikipedia, by writing about it we both
> > > celebrate our great conference as well as we work on solving the
> > Africagap
> > >
> > > With some Dutchies we started the idea of having a list of like 10-20
> > > articles of subjects from Cape Town and surrounding area. For example:
> > >
> > >
> > > Well-known park in Cape Town:
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company%27s_Garden
> > >
> > > The often referred to Dassie:
> > > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q323847
> > >
> > > Input needed!
> > >
> > > Romaine
> > > ___
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> > > wikimani...@lists.wikimedia.org
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

[Gerard Meijssen]

Hoi,
I do blog and tweet using #AfricaGap..  At this time I am adding countries
and their "administrative and territorial entities" in Wikidata. In many a
Wikipedia, they want to have "human settlements" linked to the lowest level
and these to every time a higher level.

What I do is add more and more countries. The information is incomplete. It
takes a lot of people and a lot of time to get this done. To gain
participation, I add Listeria list to a set of Wikipedias. I work on
cleaning up the data but there is much to be done. One of the benefits of
the Listeria lists for me is that I notice any and all activity. After
Wikimania there was a spike, thanks to some bot work.

What I have noticed is that information on Wikipedias did not keep up with
changes that rearanged these "territories". Consequently start and end
dates are missing on many items. For me, the current situation is most
relevant and historic "territories" are not really considered by me.

You find what I am working on here [1]. You will find much of the same data
on several (African language) Wikipedias.
Thanks,
 GerardM


[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:GerardM/Africa#African_geographical_subdivisions

On 26 July 2018 at 12:33, KuboF Hromoslav  wrote:

> Great idea Romaine!
>
> I am now working on Esperanto Wikivoyage (in Incubator), mostly to make it
> fully working. Now I am finishing Europe and immediately after that I will
> focus on Africa (not only for the Africagap and to help our colleagues but
> also to support tourism and facilitate meetings in Africa).
>
> See you online!
> KuboF Hromoslav
>
>
> po 23. 7. 2018 o 20:25 Romaine Wiki  napísal(a):
>
> > The official part of Wikimania is over, this does not prevent ourselves
> > from celebrating Africa's first Wikimania online, in more particular:
> > writing Wikipedia articles.
> >
> > Africa is under represented in Wikipedia, by writing about it we both
> > celebrate our great conference as well as we work on solving the
> Africagap
> >
> > With some Dutchies we started the idea of having a list of like 10-20
> > articles of subjects from Cape Town and surrounding area. For example:
> >
> >
> > Well-known park in Cape Town:
> > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company%27s_Garden
> >
> > The often referred to Dassie:
> > https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q323847
> >
> > Input needed!
> >
> > Romaine
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimania-l] Celebrating Wikimania 2018 online

[KuboF Hromoslav]

Great idea Romaine!

I am now working on Esperanto Wikivoyage (in Incubator), mostly to make it
fully working. Now I am finishing Europe and immediately after that I will
focus on Africa (not only for the Africagap and to help our colleagues but
also to support tourism and facilitate meetings in Africa).

See you online!
KuboF Hromoslav


po 23. 7. 2018 o 20:25 Romaine Wiki  napísal(a):

> The official part of Wikimania is over, this does not prevent ourselves
> from celebrating Africa's first Wikimania online, in more particular:
> writing Wikipedia articles.
>
> Africa is under represented in Wikipedia, by writing about it we both
> celebrate our great conference as well as we work on solving the Africagap
>
> With some Dutchies we started the idea of having a list of like 10-20
> articles of subjects from Cape Town and surrounding area. For example:
>
>
> Well-known park in Cape Town:
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Company%27s_Garden
>
> The often referred to Dassie:
> https://www.wikidata.org/wiki/Q323847
>
> Input needed!
>
> Romaine
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