Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Swapnil Karambelkar]

It can prove to be a grave threat to wiki users as well as contributors
since their login id and passwords can be stolen moreover privacy issues
and vandalism, malpractices issues can arise later on if these logins are
used in wiki itself .please look into the matter on legal as well as
technical grounds and see if there is any security threat or vulnerability
is there with Wikimedia/wikipedia  or sister projects.
thanks

On Fri, Oct 6, 2017 at 1:41 AM, Chico Venancio 
wrote:

> I opened devtools here and this is what I could gather,
>
> bywiki.com seems to be a very thin layer over wikimedia itself. The first
> calls are to bywiki domain (and seem to be actually cached from wikimedia
> servers with some extra added code, including added advertisement with a
> bidvertiser script).
>
> Many js scripts make calls directly to wikimedia servers, including scripts
> to check for session validity and sessions from other projects. While it
> does not seem malicious, I don't trust due to the lack of an explanation
> and trademark violation issues.
>
> Their ips seem to be globally blocked, the calls to edit will be seem from
> wikimedia servers as coming from them and are (all the times I tested,
> blocked).
>
>
> Chico Venancio
>
> 2017-10-05 13:41 GMT-03:00 James Heilman :
>
> > To add to my prior comments, while bywiki.com is very well put
> > together there are trademark issues that need to be addressed. Plus
> > the log-in setup could confuse Wikipedians into giving away their user
> > name and password. I will pass this along to legal and hopefully we
> > can get the site to address these issues.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:28 AM, James Heilman  wrote:
> > > It is a beautifully done copy of Wikipedia. The history tab, talk
> > > pages, and user pages all work and thus appropriate attribution is
> > > present. The content is up to date. My IP is blocked so not sure how
> > > well editing works.
> > >
> > > This mirror gives me greater concern https://everipedia.org/ in that
> > > they do not provide attribution to the authors of the content.
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Andy Mabbett <
> a...@pigsonthewing.org.uk>
> > wrote:
> > >> On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar <
> swapnil@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> copy of Hindi
> > >>> wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the
> > >>> norms,please comment and look into the matter .
> > >>>
> > >>> https://hi.bywiki.com
> > >>
> > >> Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/
> > Main_Page
> > >>
> > >> bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology
> > >> Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
> > >>
> > >>https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
> > >>
> > >> This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any
> > >> case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
> > >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Chico Venancio]

I opened devtools here and this is what I could gather,

bywiki.com seems to be a very thin layer over wikimedia itself. The first
calls are to bywiki domain (and seem to be actually cached from wikimedia
servers with some extra added code, including added advertisement with a
bidvertiser script).

Many js scripts make calls directly to wikimedia servers, including scripts
to check for session validity and sessions from other projects. While it
does not seem malicious, I don't trust due to the lack of an explanation
and trademark violation issues.

Their ips seem to be globally blocked, the calls to edit will be seem from
wikimedia servers as coming from them and are (all the times I tested,
blocked).


Chico Venancio

2017-10-05 13:41 GMT-03:00 James Heilman :

> To add to my prior comments, while bywiki.com is very well put
> together there are trademark issues that need to be addressed. Plus
> the log-in setup could confuse Wikipedians into giving away their user
> name and password. I will pass this along to legal and hopefully we
> can get the site to address these issues.
>
> James
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:28 AM, James Heilman  wrote:
> > It is a beautifully done copy of Wikipedia. The history tab, talk
> > pages, and user pages all work and thus appropriate attribution is
> > present. The content is up to date. My IP is blocked so not sure how
> > well editing works.
> >
> > This mirror gives me greater concern https://everipedia.org/ in that
> > they do not provide attribution to the authors of the content.
> >
> > James
> >
> > On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Andy Mabbett 
> wrote:
> >> On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> copy of Hindi
> >>> wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the
> >>> norms,please comment and look into the matter .
> >>>
> >>> https://hi.bywiki.com
> >>
> >> Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/
> Main_Page
> >>
> >> bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology
> >> Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
> >>
> >>https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
> >>
> >> This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any
> >> case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
> >>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[James Heilman]

To add to my prior comments, while bywiki.com is very well put
together there are trademark issues that need to be addressed. Plus
the log-in setup could confuse Wikipedians into giving away their user
name and password. I will pass this along to legal and hopefully we
can get the site to address these issues.

James

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 10:28 AM, James Heilman  wrote:
> It is a beautifully done copy of Wikipedia. The history tab, talk
> pages, and user pages all work and thus appropriate attribution is
> present. The content is up to date. My IP is blocked so not sure how
> well editing works.
>
> This mirror gives me greater concern https://everipedia.org/ in that
> they do not provide attribution to the authors of the content.
>
> James
>
> On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Andy Mabbett  
> wrote:
>> On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar  
>> wrote:
>>
>>> copy of Hindi
>>> wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the
>>> norms,please comment and look into the matter .
>>>
>>> https://hi.bywiki.com
>>
>> Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, 
>> https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
>>
>> bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology
>> Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
>>
>>https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
>>
>> This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any
>> case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[James Heilman]

It is a beautifully done copy of Wikipedia. The history tab, talk
pages, and user pages all work and thus appropriate attribution is
present. The content is up to date. My IP is blocked so not sure how
well editing works.

This mirror gives me greater concern https://everipedia.org/ in that
they do not provide attribution to the authors of the content.

James

On Thu, Oct 5, 2017 at 7:05 AM, Andy Mabbett  wrote:
> On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar  wrote:
>
>> copy of Hindi
>> wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the
>> norms,please comment and look into the matter .
>>
>> https://hi.bywiki.com
>
> Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
>
> bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology
> Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:
>
>https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com
>
> This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any
> case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Andy Mabbett]

On 5 October 2017 at 12:34, Swapnil Karambelkar  wrote:

> copy of Hindi
> wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the
> norms,please comment and look into the matter .
>
> https://hi.bywiki.com

Not just hi.Wikipedia - see, for example, https://en.bywiki.com/wiki/Main_Page

bywiki.com is registered to Chengdu West Dimension Digital Technology
Co., Ltd. with a contact address in China:

   https://www.whois.com/whois/bywiki.com

This may be a mirror site intended to bypass censorship, but in any
case is a matter for the Wikimedia foundation.

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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Swapnil Karambelkar]

Introducing myself, I am Swapnil Karambelkar from Madhya Pradesh,
India. My user name is "Swapnil.Karambelkar", I've been actively
contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons,recently i and our hindi wiki
community came to know about following link which is copy of Hindi
wikipedia also using WMF logos,etc.it seems to be violating the
norms,please comment and look into the matter .

https://hi.bywiki.com

On Mon, Oct 2, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Arjuna Rao Chavala 
wrote:

> Hi
>
> On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
> kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
> > India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
> > contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
> > the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
> > Telugu (te).
> >
> > A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
> >  was released
> on 1
> > September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
> > Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
> > murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same
> may
> > be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I
> feel
> > this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we
> do.
> > It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
> > encyclopedic content to the readers.
> >
> > In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to
> voice
> > their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
> >
>
> ​There is some misunderstanding. The character claims he has a record  of
> brawls, murders etc as per Wikipedia. It does not say anything negative
> about Wikipedia.​
>
> Regards
> Arjuna Rao Chavala
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Arjuna Rao Chavala]

Hi

On Sun, Sep 17, 2017 at 9:15 PM, Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
> India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
> contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
> the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
> Telugu (te).
>
> A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
>  was released on 1
> September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
> Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
> murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may
> be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel
> this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do.
> It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
> encyclopedic content to the readers.
>
> In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice
> their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
>

​There is some misunderstanding. The character claims he has a record  of
brawls, murders etc as per Wikipedia. It does not say anything negative
about Wikipedia.​

Regards
Arjuna Rao Chavala
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Gergő Tisza]

It looks like the publisher created a hoax/in-universe article about the
main character of the movie, which is what the trailer is referring to:
https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Undelete=Theda+Singh=20170820143048

Not cool but still not a defamation.
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Isaac Olatunde]

I must agree with Asaf here. Fwiw, this isn't a defamatory and I think
legal action should be restricted to serious issues.

Regards,

Isaac.

On Sep 26, 2017 7:09 PM, "Asaf Bartov"  wrote:

> Hi, Krishna.
>
> First of all, this isn't "defamation", which is a precise legal term, that
> is best not bandied about too lightly.
>
> Secondly, Wikipedia is mentioned often in popular media these days, not
> always in a very factual manner.  It is hard to imagine such casual
> mentions have any significant impact on the Wikipedia brand.  It is
> precisely Wikipedia's ubiquity in Internet-connected people's lives that
> makes it possible to refer to it in such ways.
>
> Thirdly, legal action is always expensive and sometimes risky.  It follows
> that we need a very good reason to undertake the expense and (sometimes)
> risk.  This does not look like an important thing to spend our resources
> on.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Asaf
>
> On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:05 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
> kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote:
>
> > Greetings,
> >
> > Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
> > India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
> > contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
> > the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
> > Telugu (te).
> >
> > A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
> >  was released
> on 1
> > September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
> > Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
> > murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same
> may
> > be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I
> feel
> > this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we
> do.
> > It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
> > encyclopedic content to the readers.
> >
> > In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to
> voice
> > their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > [image: photo]
> > *Krishna Chaitanya Velaga*
> > Member | Executive Committee
> > 
> > Wikimedia Chapter (India) 
> > +91 94948 65420 <+91%2094948%2065420> | kcvelaga.blogspot.in
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Shlomi Fish]

Hi,

On Sun, 17 Sep 2017 21:15:36 +0530
Krishna Chaitanya Velaga  wrote:

> Greetings,
> 
> Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
> India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
> contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
> the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
> Telugu (te).
> 
> A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
>  was released on 1
> September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
> Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
> murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may
> be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel
> this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do.
> It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
> encyclopedic content to the readers.
> 
> In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice
> their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
> 

I don't see what the big deal is. Since this is a work of fiction, it may
misrepresent facts and reality and its users are expected to know better than
to depend of it as a source.

If we try to censor this film, then it will be an act of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship which i and other free content
advocates dislike. If instead we sue for damages, then we will come out as
bullies. Also see
https://www.phrases.org.uk/meanings/there-is-no-such-thing-as-bad-publicity.html
and http://www.veronikanoize.com/is_all_publicity_good_ . Don't worry - be
happy.


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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Asaf Bartov]

Hi, Krishna.

First of all, this isn't "defamation", which is a precise legal term, that
is best not bandied about too lightly.

Secondly, Wikipedia is mentioned often in popular media these days, not
always in a very factual manner.  It is hard to imagine such casual
mentions have any significant impact on the Wikipedia brand.  It is
precisely Wikipedia's ubiquity in Internet-connected people's lives that
makes it possible to refer to it in such ways.

Thirdly, legal action is always expensive and sometimes risky.  It follows
that we need a very good reason to undertake the expense and (sometimes)
risk.  This does not look like an important thing to spend our resources on.

Cheers,

Asaf

On Tue, Sep 26, 2017 at 7:05 PM Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <
kcvel...@wikimedia.in> wrote:

> Greetings,
>
> Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
> India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
> contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
> the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
> Telugu (te).
>
> A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
>  was released on 1
> September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
> Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
> murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may
> be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel
> this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do.
> It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
> encyclopedic content to the readers.
>
> In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice
> their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> [image: photo]
> *Krishna Chaitanya Velaga*
> Member | Executive Committee
> 
> Wikimedia Chapter (India) 
> +91 94948 65420 <+91%2094948%2065420> | kcvelaga.blogspot.in
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Re: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[FRED BAUDER]

We should sue Billy the Kid while we are at it. And Hitler... Imagine the 
bragging he does down in Hell.

Fred

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From: Krishna Chaitanya Velaga <kcvel...@wikimedia.in>
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Sent: Sun, 17 Sep 2017 11:45:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion  Picture

Greetings,

Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
Telugu (te).

A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paisa_Vasool_(2017_film)> was released on 1
September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may
be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel
this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do.
It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
encyclopedic content to the readers.

In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice
their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.


Regards,

[image: photo]
*Krishna Chaitanya Velaga*
Member | Executive Committee
<http://wiki.wikimedia.in/Executive_Committee_Members>
Wikimedia Chapter (India) <http://wiki.wikimedia.in/>
+91 94948 65420 | kcvelaga.blogspot.in
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[Wikimedia-l] Defamation of Wikipedia in a Telugu (te) Motion Picture

[Krishna Chaitanya Velaga]

Greetings,

Introducing myself, I am Krishna Chaitanya Velaga from Andhra Pradesh,
India. My user name is "Krishna Chaitanya Velaga", I've been actively
contributing to en Wikipedia and Commons since December 2014. I also form
the Executive Committee of Wikimedia Chapter (India). My mother tongue is
Telugu (te).

A Telugu movie titled Paisa Vasool
 was released on 1
September 2017. In the movie, male lead boasts himself by referring to
Wikipedia. His statement in the movie is as follows: *"36 brawls, 24
murders, 36 stabbings, This is visible record in Wikipedia" *(The same may
be observed from the trailer of the movie, between 0:22 to 0:32 at
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVUZ-jG_i3c). As far I am concerned I feel
this as serious defamation of the brand, the community and the work we do.
It really degrades the reality and the efforts we put to produce
encyclopedic content to the readers.

In this context, I request the community to take interest in their to voice
their opinions, and also discuss any legal action to be enforced.


Regards,

[image: photo]
*Krishna Chaitanya Velaga*
Member | Executive Committee

Wikimedia Chapter (India) 
+91 94948 65420 | kcvelaga.blogspot.in
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