Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimental onion service for all Wikimedia projects set up by Alec Muffett

2017-11-24 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
Well, what we could do just as well is trying to load normally, but when it fails immediately load through Orbot. The delays should be minimal most of the time, and the crucial part is that a) users don't have to do anything, install other apps, change the settings - it just works, b) users won't

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimental onion service for all Wikimedia projects set up by Alec Muffett

2017-11-24 Thread mathieu stumpf guntz
Then, if it's not a too big maintance burden, what about proposing both solution? Our users already pay extremely huge loading time for some feature like visual editing, but the far faster wikitext editor is still there for those who are happier with that. Le 24/11/2017 à 19:37, Tilman

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimental onion service for all Wikimedia projects set up by Alec Muffett

2017-11-24 Thread Tilman Bayer
I think this is unlikely to happen, because of the performance degradation (access via Tor will always be slower, which user studies have shown to be a significant usability issue in the past). But as an option or fallback or separate app it might be a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimental onion service for all Wikimedia projects set up by Alec Muffett

2017-11-24 Thread Samuel Klein
Seconded -- this is an excellent use of Orbot. Worth testing that experience to see if it could be a comfortable default. On Nov 24, 2017 3:36 AM, "Dariusz Jemielniak" wrote: > Excellent! Still, as I argued before, I believe that a solution we could > use is defaulting to Tor

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Experimental onion service for all Wikimedia projects set up by Alec Muffett

2017-11-24 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
Excellent! Still, as I argued before, I believe that a solution we could use is defaulting to Tor channeling in our mobile app. Facebook offers it as an option in partnership with Orbot - I believe we should do the same, but default to it (so that people cannot be held responsible for making a

[Wikimedia-l] Experimental onion service for all Wikimedia projects set up by Alec Muffett

2017-11-23 Thread Cristian Consonni
Hi all, Some months ago, the idea of setting up an onion service for Wikimedia projects was discussed on this list[1] and as a proposal in IdeaLab on Meta[2]. Today, Alec Muffett announced on Twitter[3] that he created «as an experiment» a series of read-only mirrors of all the Wikimedia