Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Romaine Wiki
"The new Google Maps simplified navigation and removed many useful features... Layers like Wikipedia, weather, webcams, photos, videos, previous searches are no longer available, while transit, traffic and bicycling can be found in the "getting around" box." http://googlesystem.blogspot.nl/2013

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library

2013-08-26 Thread Lionel Allorge
Hi, > Sign up to receive announcements and news about resource donations and > partnerships: ' > http://enwp.org/WP::The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/Recipients Your link is broken. Regards. -- Lionel Allorge Lune Rouge : http://www.lunerouge.org April : http://www.april.org _

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Cristian Consonni
2013/8/25 Strainu : > 2013/8/25 Romaine Wiki : >> Unfortunately I couldn't find any layer for Wikipedia on >> http://openstreetmap.org > > Perhaps the WMF should provide that? Kolossos has done a tremendous > job with his work on the subject. Moving from the toolserver to the > labs could be a goo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library

2013-08-26 Thread James Alexander
For everyones ease :) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WP:The_Wikipedia_Library/Newsletter/Recipients James Alexander Legal and Community Advocacy Wikimedia Foundation (415) 839-6885 x6716 @jamesofur On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Lionel Allorge < lionel.allo...@lunerouge.org> wrote: > Hi, > > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Peter Gervai
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Cristian Consonni wrote: > 2013/8/25 Strainu : >> 2013/8/25 Romaine Wiki : >>> Unfortunately I couldn't find any layer for Wikipedia on >>> http://openstreetmap.org http://osm.org/ is an example renderer. OSM is the _database_. The information is in it, and ther

Re: [Wikimedia-l] next Wikidata office hour

2013-08-26 Thread Lydia Pintscher
Hey :) On Fri, Jul 26, 2013 at 6:52 PM, Lydia Pintscher wrote: > Heya folks :) > > Denny and I will be doing another office hour for all things Wikidata > after Wikimania. Everyone is welcome to ask questions about Wikidata. > We'll be doing this on IRC in #wikimedia-office and start with a quick

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Mobile image upload

2013-08-26 Thread Jon Robson
James Thanks for sharing that and great to see the uploader is from Kerala India! In terms of mobile editing arriving... It's here!: http://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/07/25/edit-wikipedia-on-the-go/ Jon On 25 Aug 2013 05:14, "James Heilman" wrote: > Mobile image upload is a huge plus thus thanks t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Denny Vrandečić
There is a crucial difference: Wikipedia Zero is not a general way to provide access to the Internet for free, it provides access to parts of Wikipedia for free through partnering carriers. Wikipedia Zero is not in violation of net neutrality in the first place, as Wikipedia Zero is not an internet

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Stephen Bain
To the best of my knowledge, every jurisdiction that has legislated on net neutrality has concentrated on preventing ISPs from blocking, degrading or charging extra for particular services; not one of them has a problem with providers giving away certain data for free. S On 26 Aug 2013 04:51, "rup

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Andre Engels
Dutch telecommunication law, article 7.4a (the net neutrality article), paragraph 3: "Aanbieders van internettoegangsdiensten stellen de hoogte van tarieven voor internettoegangsdiensten niet afhankelijk van de diensten en toepassingen die via deze diensten worden aangeboden of gebruikt." "Offere

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library

2013-08-26 Thread JP Béland
Good day, Wikipedia Library is a great project, thanks for sharing. That being said, I'm not sure why this project is on the English Wikipedia? Considering the fact that most sources are in English no matter the language(s) you are contributing in, woudln't all Wikipedia communities take benefit of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread JP Béland
"And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in countries where the law is less developed? " As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all countries in every country (Wikipedia already fails at that in its current

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, "JP Béland" wrote: > > "And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, > netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in > countries where the law is less developed? " > > As said Kevin, it is impossible to respect the law of all countries in > ever

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Katie Chan
On 26/08/2013 18:14, Martijn Hoekstra wrote: I do think there is some merit in the net neutrality argument, at least sufficiently so to be open to discussion on whether or not offering Wikipedia Zero is a good thing. It comes down to the question if we believe that having a walled garden vari

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library

2013-08-26 Thread Jake Orlowitz
I'm sensitive to concerns about the Library's location. It is partly a legacy issue: The Wikipedia Library partnerships started on English Wikipedia, and that's where the Credo, HighBeam, Questia, JSTOR, and Cochrane account donations were coordinated. This made some sense at the time because th

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library

2013-08-26 Thread Juergen Fenn
2013/8/26 JP Béland : > Good day, Wikipedia Library is a great project, thanks for sharing. > That being said, I'm not sure why this project is on the English > Wikipedia? Considering the fact that most sources are in English no > matter the language(s) you are contributing in, woudln't all Wikiped

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread JP Béland
2013/8/26, Martijn Hoekstra : > On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, "JP Béland" wrote: >> >> "And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, >> netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in >> countries where the law is less developed? " >> >> As said Kevin, it is impossible to resp

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread George William Herbert
On Aug 26, 2013, at 10:42 AM, JP Béland wrote: > 2013/8/26, Martijn Hoekstra : >> On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, "JP Béland" wrote: >>> >>> "And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, >>> netherlands, swiss, or german law, is it appropriate to do it in >>> countries where the law is le

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The Wikipedia Library

2013-08-26 Thread JP Béland
2013/8/26, Jake Orlowitz : > I'm sensitive to concerns about the Library's location. It is partly a > legacy issue: The Wikipedia Library partnerships started on English > Wikipedia, and that's where the Credo, HighBeam, Questia, JSTOR, and > Cochrane account donations were coordinated. This mad

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (itwas: "Communication plans for community engagement"

2013-08-26 Thread Quim Gil
Let me skip the complex topic of decentralization of the WMF and let me focus on the quite simpler topic of chapters and other orgs assuming progressively more tech responsibilities: On 08/24/2013 01:19 AM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Mentorship_programs/Possible_

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Martijn Hoekstra
On Aug 26, 2013 7:53 PM, "George William Herbert" wrote: > > > > > > On Aug 26, 2013, at 10:42 AM, JP Béland wrote: > > > 2013/8/26, Martijn Hoekstra : > >> On Aug 26, 2013 6:30 PM, "JP Béland" wrote: > >>> > >>> "And if it is illegal or borderline according to, say, > >>> netherlands, swiss, or

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 08/26/2013 07:37 AM, Peter Gervai wrote: > On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 12:52 PM, Cristian Consonni > wrote: >> 2013/8/25 Strainu : >>> 2013/8/25 Romaine Wiki : Unfortunately I couldn't find any layer for Wikipedia on http://openstreetmap.org > > http://osm.org/ is an example renderer. O

Re: [Wikimedia-l] About the concentration of resources in SF (itwas: "Communication plans for community engagement"

2013-08-26 Thread Nathan
Hi Romaine, In the absence of any practical description of what an office on each populated continent would do, or what concrete organizational role it would fulfill (other than "bringing communities together"), it seems unlikely that the WMF is going to immediately reverse its relatively recent d

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Cristian Consonni
2013/8/26 Sumana Harihareswara : > Thanks to everyone who's been offering ideas and thoughts in this > thread! Could we move to maps-l (cc'd)? > > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/maps-l Thank you for reminding me of a mailing list I should have subscribed to a long ago ;o. C ___

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, For your information ... an interview with Mr Zuggerberg... In my opinion there is an opportunity as he is looking for dense information.. we are really good at that :) Thanks, Gerard http://www.wired.com/business/2013/08/mark-zuckerberg-internet-org/ On 23 August 2013 14:38, Emilio J.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-26 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hear, hear. Ziko 2013/8/23 Gerard Meijssen > Hoi, > But when they provide the infrastructure that allows our content to be seen > by many more people, they do us a service. > ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: htt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread George Herbert
It was not rhetorical, but you missed the point. Net neutrality is an issue because service providers (can / may / often do) become a local monopoly of sorts. Monopilies are not necessarily bad (how many water and natural gas line providers can you choose from? how many road networks?) but are g

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-26 Thread Jens Best
The internet Mr. Zuggerberg wants was nothing to do with the ideas of free knowledge, online collaboration and open source as it is provided and promoted by Wikimedia. Don't believe the Hype. Even and especially if it is Hype 2.0. Just because the Silicon Valley billionaires got caught with sleep

Re: [Wikimedia-l] The failure of Google, looking for open source alternatives

2013-08-26 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 25 August 2013 18:39, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> Considering this for finding a Wikipedia layer on maps, I do not know any. >> But I do know there is an open source alternative, just like Wikipedia, but >> then for maps, OpenStreetMap. > > OSM won't do something like that, but invite others (whic

Re: [Wikimedia-l] is wikipedia zero illegal because it violates net neutrality?

2013-08-26 Thread Robert Rohde
On Mon, Aug 26, 2013 at 2:13 PM, George Herbert wrote: > Again: with Wikipedia, we do not have particular mutually beneficial > relationships which this would be encouraging, and the service provider > isn't really in a position to damage a Wikipedia competitor by doing this, > as far as I can se

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Join the GAC! Deadline extended by one week

2013-08-26 Thread Asaf Bartov
*bounce* If you want to help me evaluate grant proposals, please do sign up at https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grant_Advisory_Committee/Candidates -- the deadline is here, and I'll be announcing new members tomorrow. A. On Wed, Aug 21, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Asaf Bartov wrote: > Hi, folks. > > D

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Internet.org and Wikipedia Zero ?

2013-08-26 Thread Gerard Meijssen
Hoi, Jens, I am sorry there is nothing in what you say that has a bearing on what the aim is of the Wikimedia Foundation. Our aim is to get information/knowledge to every person in the world. The people that may be reached by this initiative are the ones we do not reach. When we can reach them thr