Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
Note also that there is an on-going discussion with the WMF Board on fundraising ethics here: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Board_noticeboard#Discussion_of_fundraising_ethics Every year, readers are told that money is required to "keep Wikipedia online and ad-free another y

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki
I 100% agree with rupert's thoughts. Wiki(p|m)edia was and is mad be volunteers, therefore volunteer first should apply. Volunteers are contributing the content for exactly zero dollars per hour. It is all because of free knowledge and other stuff, but not about money. It looks like money is fo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Lodewijk
Please let us not mingle two very separate and delicate discussions: 1) Whether we should do the extra effort of fundraising at all (this is what Andreas was arguing about, it seems) 2) If we decide to fundraise, how to involve the community and affiliates in a timely, orderly and effective fashion

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Romaine Wiki
Hi all, New update: The Italian team had some calls with the fundraising team and it resulted in: * Wiki Loves Monuments gets the whole 4th week of September. So we will have the WLM banner alone the first and the last week. * WLM IT is discussing with the community a message in the Main Page of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
I think both of these issues are about community involvement, Lodewijk, or rather the lack of it. The community is simply being stonewalled, on both issues. And to be clear, I am absolutely in favour of fundraising. I just want it done transparently, so donors understand clearly that their donatio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Romaine Wiki
Hi all, Having spoken with some people, I have come to the conclusion that it is time to ask the Wikimedia community what they think about this situation. I have especially seen both parties, the Wiki Loves Monuments organising teams who like to have a banner for Wiki Loves Monuments in September,

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Steinsplitter Wiki
Thank you Romaine for setting up the RFC on meta [1]! So we can see what the community thinks about this. [1] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Fundraising_banner_or_Wiki_Loves_Monuments_banner > Date: Sun, 30 Aug 2015 19:04:41 +0200 > From: romaine.w...@gmail.com > To: wikim

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Andrea Zanni
Hello everybody. I'm happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has decided not to run the Fundraising banner in Italy during September. In the last week, the Fundraising Team and Wikimedia Italia's board worked hard together to find a common solution. In these very last days, we continued a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Romaine Wiki
The most annoying part now is that the fundraising team did tell me thta, while I ma in change of the banners. How is it possible that they do worse and worse each time? Romaine 2015-08-30 22:20 GMT+02:00 Andrea Zanni : > Hello everybody. > I'm happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation ha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread MF-Warburg
Did you mean they did /not/ tell you? 2015-08-31 0:16 GMT+02:00 Romaine Wiki : > The most annoying part now is that the fundraising team did tell me thta, > while I ma in change of the banners. > > How is it possible that they do worse and worse each time? > > Romaine > > 2015-08-30 22:20 GMT+02:

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 11:26 PM, MF-Warburg wrote: > Did you mean they did /not/ tell you? > > 2015-08-31 0:16 GMT+02:00 Romaine Wiki : > > > The most annoying part now is that the fundraising team did tell me thta, > > while I ma in change of the banners. > > > > How is it possible that they do

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Romaine Wiki
Yes, sorry, they did *not* communicate it with me. They finally came to a great decision, it would have been perfect if they had just made a public announcement here. Romaine 2015-08-31 0:26 GMT+02:00 MF-Warburg : > Did you mean they did /not/ tell you? > > 2015-08-31 0:16 GMT+02:00 Romaine W

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Andreas Kolbe
On Sun, Aug 30, 2015 at 9:20 PM, Andrea Zanni wrote: > Hello everybody. > I'm happy to announce that the Wikimedia Foundation has decided not to run > the Fundraising banner in Italy during September. > > In the last week, the Fundraising Team and Wikimedia Italia's board worked > hard together t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wiki Loves Monuments] Wiki Loves Monuments in Italy largely blocked by WMF fundraising

2015-08-30 Thread Pine W
Thank you, Andrea, Romaine, Lisa, and Luis. Lisa, if you're interested, I'm happy to brainstorm with you off-list about some alternatives to help WMF Fundraising meet its goals. Pine On Aug 30, 2015 1:21 PM, "Andrea Zanni" wrote: > Hello everybody. > I'm happy to announce that the Wikimedia Fou