Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Vi to
2017-02-16 5:57 GMT+01:00 Pine W : > Hi Fae, > > A few points: > > * Thank you for trying to get and maintain a public list of WMF accounts > with special permissions. I think that this is helpful for the community to > know. I also think that WMF should actively maintain the list of WMF > account

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Robert Fernandez
I don't see the point of paying for legal and community safety experts if we aren't going to allow them to engage in their area of professional expertise. Transparency, due process, and community governance are important values, but they are not the skills you need to bring to bear when it comes t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Still, in some cases the WMF global ban sounds like a revenge to an individual, and when (understandably) WMF refuses to elaborate what was the motivation for a global ban this impression gets even stronger. Cheers Yaroslav On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Fernandez wrote: > I don't see

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread
Were I a "predatory individuals victimizing underage editors" there would be a reason to threaten me with a ban for replying to questions from other editors on my home talk page. But I am not. James' bad faith is unacceptable. Fae On 16 Feb 2017 14:22, "Robert Fernandez" wrote: I don't see the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Dariusz Jemielniak
Hi Fae, I don't think the argument was that you were a "predatory individual victimizing underage editors", but that the rules and practices should recognize that such people exist and our projects need protection from them. This is at least my reading of this. best, dariusz On Thu, Feb 16, 2

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
Pine > * Thank you for trying to get and maintain a public list of WMF accounts > with special permissions. I think that this is helpful for the community to > know. I also think that WMF should actively maintain the list of WMF > accounts with special permissions, and the reasons for granting th

[Wikimedia-l] List administration

2017-02-16 Thread Austin Hair
​​ After what Asaf and I agree was a sufficient time for a call for candidates, we've appointed two new list administrators. Please welcome Shani Evenstein and John Mark Vandenberg as your new list overlords. Austin ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guideli

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Robert Fernandez
If WMF staff members are blocking volunteers out of revenge, we have much larger problems than transparency. On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Yaroslav Blanter wrote: > Still, in some cases the WMF global ban sounds like a revenge to an > individual, and when (understandably) WMF refuses to elabo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] List administration

2017-02-16 Thread Shlomi Fish
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:26:04 + Austin Hair wrote: > ​​ > After what Asaf and I agree was a sufficient time for a call for > candidates, we've appointed two new list administrators. > > Please welcome Shani Evenstein and John Mark Vandenberg as your new list > overlords. > Welcome aboard! A

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread marc
On 2017-02-16 14:01, Robert Fernandez wrote: If WMF staff members are blocking volunteers out of revenge{{cn}} We would indeed [have bigger problems]. Thankfully, there is absolutely no indication that this ever happened beyond vague musings and specious allegations made on the basis of "I d

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Craig Franklin
I agree completely with both Robert and Marc. James, it is my understanding that every global ban must be signed off by the Legal department. Is this correct? If so, not only would this provide a check against the hypothetical situation of someone being globally banned in a fit of pique, but it

[Wikimedia-l] February 16: Update on Wikimedia movement strategy process (#7)

2017-02-16 Thread Katherine Maher
Hi all! A lot going on this week, which means we’re making progress. Let’s jump right in: *Feedback requested* There are two items in particular on Meta-Wiki ready for your feedback: - Updated processes and timelines for Tracks A & B https://meta.wikimedia.org/?curid=10152629 - Documen

Re: [Wikimedia-l] List administration

2017-02-16 Thread Katherine Maher
Welcome, and thank you! On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 1:52 PM, Shlomi Fish wrote: > On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 18:26:04 + > Austin Hair wrote: > > > ​​ > > After what Asaf and I agree was a sufficient time for a call for > > candidates, we've appointed two new list administrators. > > > > Please welcome

[Wikimedia-l] Invitation to WMF February 2017 Metrics & Activities Meeting: Thursday, February 23, 19:00 UTC

2017-02-16 Thread Lena Traer
Hello everyone, The next Wikimedia Foundation metrics and activities meeting will take place on Thursday, February 23, 2017 at 7:00 PM UTC (11 AM PST). The IRC channel is #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net, and the meeting will be broadcast as a live YouTube stream. The theme of the February m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread James Alexander
On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:58 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > Hi James, > > I agree these types of breakages, if unintentional and not regular, > should be raised elsewhere first. > > Given Fae's reluctance to use private correspondence,... > > Is there a public wiki page which can be used to a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread James Alexander
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:40 PM, Craig Franklin wrote: > I agree completely with both Robert and Marc. > > James, it is my understanding that every global ban must be signed off by > the Legal department. Is this correct? If so, not only would this provide > a check against the hypothetical sit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Rogol Domedonfors
> > This is correct, all global bans (after a complaint has been made) go > through: > > >- Investigation by Support & Safety team member --> >- Review and Recommendation by the Manager of Trust & Safety (myself) >--> >- Approval by the Director of Support & Safety and the Chief of

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF advanced permissions for employees

2017-02-16 Thread Yaroslav Blanter
Thanks James. Was the procedure always like this? We know that there was one person banned by WMF in 2012, two in 2014, 8 in 2015, and 6 in 2016. Did they all go through this procedure? Cheers Yaroslav On Fri, Feb 17, 2017 at 2:15 AM, James Alexander wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:40 PM, C