If WMF staff members are blocking volunteers out of revenge, we have much
larger problems than transparency.

On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <ymb...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Still, in some cases the WMF global ban sounds like a revenge to an
> individual, and when (understandably) WMF refuses to elaborate what was the
> motivation for a global ban this impression gets even stronger.
>
> Cheers
> Yaroslav
>
> On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Fernandez <wikigamal...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I don't see the point of paying for legal and community safety experts
> > if we aren't going to allow them to engage in their area of
> > professional expertise.  Transparency, due process, and community
> > governance are important values, but they are not the skills you need
> > to bring to bear when it comes to issues such as, for example,
> > predatory individuals victimizing underage editors.   I know this
> > sounds like "won't somebody think of the children!" but the thought of
> > untrained volunteers, however sensitive and well meaning they are,
> > attempting to deal with an issue like this frightening, and the
> > thought of what passes for community governance on the English
> > Wikipedia attempting to deal with this is positively bonechilling.  It
> > has very real consequences for the real, offline lives of victims and
> > opens volunteers and projects to significant legal jeopardy.
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Pine W <wiki.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > * Based on what I currently know, I disagree with WMF's choice to
> > site-ban
> > > individuals instead of leaving that decision to the community,
> > particularly
> > > when the evidence is not public. It seems to me that this practice is
> > > incompatible with transparency, due process, and community governance
> of
> > > Wikimedia content sites (which notably excludes the Foundation wiki).
> >
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