If WMF staff members are blocking volunteers out of revenge, we have much larger problems than transparency.
On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 9:57 AM, Yaroslav Blanter <[email protected]> wrote: > Still, in some cases the WMF global ban sounds like a revenge to an > individual, and when (understandably) WMF refuses to elaborate what was the > motivation for a global ban this impression gets even stronger. > > Cheers > Yaroslav > > On Thu, Feb 16, 2017 at 3:21 PM, Robert Fernandez <[email protected]> > wrote: > > > I don't see the point of paying for legal and community safety experts > > if we aren't going to allow them to engage in their area of > > professional expertise. Transparency, due process, and community > > governance are important values, but they are not the skills you need > > to bring to bear when it comes to issues such as, for example, > > predatory individuals victimizing underage editors. I know this > > sounds like "won't somebody think of the children!" but the thought of > > untrained volunteers, however sensitive and well meaning they are, > > attempting to deal with an issue like this frightening, and the > > thought of what passes for community governance on the English > > Wikipedia attempting to deal with this is positively bonechilling. It > > has very real consequences for the real, offline lives of victims and > > opens volunteers and projects to significant legal jeopardy. > > > > > > On Wed, Feb 15, 2017 at 11:57 PM, Pine W <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > > > > * Based on what I currently know, I disagree with WMF's choice to > > site-ban > > > individuals instead of leaving that decision to the community, > > particularly > > > when the evidence is not public. It seems to me that this practice is > > > incompatible with transparency, due process, and community governance > of > > > Wikimedia content sites (which notably excludes the Foundation wiki). > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > > wiki/Wikimedia-l > > New messages to: [email protected] > > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ > Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/ > wiki/Wikimedia-l > New messages to: [email protected] > Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, > <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe> > _______________________________________________ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New messages to: [email protected] Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto:[email protected]?subject=unsubscribe>
