Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-16 Thread Chris Keating
It's interesting that of all the strategy recommendations, two are so far being implemented. One is the Universal Code of Conduct, which has at least had plenty of discussion and publicity, that even precedes the strategy process. The other is this, which hasn't been particularly prominent before,

[Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread
It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles that actively promote scientific racism. The forthcoming WMF universal code of conduct is unlikely to directly address this type of damaging anti-educational content, or require projects to take action. This may surprise some, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-16 Thread Dennis During
1. Never let a crisis go to waste. 2. Never let a strategy process go to waste. If you've got something you want that is not necessarily universally loved, make a plan and cram it into anything that doesn't make it a laughingstock. Want to loot Constantinople? Make sure you're in the Crusade

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread John Erling Blad
Feel free to explain how the appearance of race differences is not defined by genetics. I have absolutely no problem accepting that people are different, and that some people may even be better adapted to the environment than me. ;) On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 3:32 PM Fæ wrote: > No, we do not call

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Dennis During
Are you actually saying that it is promoting biological racism to mention the fact that, say, skin color, hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain diseases are heritable characteristics of certain human populations? Is this some kind of practical joke you are trying to

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Chico Venancio
I don't feel safe in an environment were racism is being labeled as "presenting truths". Maybe the list moderators should take a look at this thread. Chico Venancio Em ter, 16 de jun de 2020 10:42, Dennis During escreveu: > I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Gnangarra
yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about enforcing Race as a concept. The traits you speak of; > hair color, aspects of bone structure, or susceptibility to certain > diseases are heritable characteristics of certain human populations? Are attributes of DNA and

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Pharos
Wikipedia and the Wikimedia projects should reflect the scientific consensus, whether that be on climate, vaccines, or the concept of biological "races". The latter concept is deeply tied to 19th-century pseudoscience, and is very different from modern genetic science. Genetic traits have various

[Wikimedia-l] IMPORTANT: Entire list on moderation and notes on conduct

2020-06-16 Thread Asaf Bartov
Dear Wikimedia-l subscribers. I write to you in my volunteer capacity of list-admin, to inform you that the entire Wikimedia-l mailing list is now under moderation, meaning all posts will have to be manually reviewed and approved by one of the admins. Here's why: Comments on the thread titled

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Dennis During
I don't feel safe presenting truths in an environment where one can be bullied for presenting truths that are unfashionable or can be so painted. Does the Code of Conduct cover that? On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:57 AM Fæ wrote: > It is remarkably easy to find various language Wikipedia articles

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread John Erling Blad
I'm not sure it is wise to try to refute differences between humans, whether we call it race or something else, it is simply too easy to point out the differences. We should rather promote that differences are a GoodThing™ Humans do exhibit racial differences, but those differences should not be

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread
What, you are really using a Wikimedia funded email list to promote biological racism? That's ... not acceptable behaviour. Go read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_racism. Fae On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:37, John Erling Blad wrote: > > Feel free to explain how the appearance of race

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread
No, we do not call other Wikipedians "Negroid" because of their appearance meeting a racist theory published in the 1930s. Or were you trying to say something else, other than defending "scientific racism" on this public list? Fae On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 14:25, John Erling Blad wrote: > > I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Dennis During
So you don't believe that skin color, susceptibility to disease etc are heritable? Have you heard of DNA? I had sincerely hoped that the equivalent of yahooist book-burning wouldn't take over Wikimedia. It's not just disappointing; it's scary. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 9:49 AM Chico Venancio

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Promotion of scientific racism in Wikipedia articles

2020-06-16 Thread Joseph Seddon
This conversation has very quickly veered away from the original topic and what the scope of this list is. Seddon On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:58 PM Gnangarra wrote: > yes, when the categories termed Race, when the discussion is about > enforcing Race as a concept. > > The traits you speak of; >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-16 Thread Joseph Seddon
Hey Chris, I think that saying this happened because of the recommendations remains a fair statement but for sure there are some caveats with that. I don’t want to speak for the entire org but I'm also pretty confident in saying that there are a lot more than just two recommendations with work

[Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Clinic #001 digest and future calls

2020-06-16 Thread Asaf Bartov
Dear Wikimedians, This is an update on the Wikimedia Clinics[1] pilot: On June 15th we hosted the first Wikimedia Clinic call. It was well attended (~25 volunteers, not counting WMF staff), with a good mix of experience levels and countries of origin. As promised, we publish a *digest* of the

Re: [Wikimedia-l] IMPORTANT: Entire list on moderation and notes on conduct

2020-06-16 Thread Samuel Klein
Thank you, Asaf. On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:03 AM Asaf Bartov wrote: > Dear Wikimedia-l subscribers. > > I write to you in my volunteer capacity of list-admin, to inform you that > the entire Wikimedia-l mailing list is now under moderation, meaning all > posts will have to be manually reviewed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Paid API?

2020-06-16 Thread Samuel Klein
A well-provisioned bulk api has been missing for some time. Thanks for working on this. And clearing up the recommended way for WP content to appear and be linked in third-party searches and infoboxes is important -- the sort of thing that an internal policy (and way to subscribe to feeds) can

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Research Showcase] June 17, 2020: Credibility and Verifiability

2020-06-16 Thread Janna Layton
Reminder that this is happening tomorrow! On Thu, Jun 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Janna Layton wrote: > Hi all, > > The next Research Showcase will be live-streamed on Wednesday, June 17, at > 9:30 AM PDT/16:30 UTC. > > In the era of 'information explosion,' we strive to stay informed and > relevant