[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread WereSpielChequers
Hi, I'm curious as to what level of reading skill you are writing this for and also what level of understanding/adulthood. I see these as two different issues and both are likely to vary sharply especially between different countries with very different education systems. A childrens'

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Hello WSC, It is even more complicated: two 10 year olds may be not on the same level with regard to reading or knowledge of the world. The Klexikon has a "little sister", the MiniKlexikon with articles that are even more simple and targetted to beginning readers and people with specific

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Mathias Damour
Hi,    De: "WereSpielChequers" A childrens' encyclopaedia written for nine year olds would surely be very different than one written for thirteen year olds. And content that parents of fourteen year olds thought was age inappropriate in Alabama might be thought appropriate or even bowdlerised by

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
About Txikipedia: the age range is 8-12, but is more 10-12 than 8-9. The problem is that some of the writers are 8-9 years old, so their content is quite simple. Basque language readers are concentrated in a narrow area. We are in two different states, and three different education

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Anders Wennersten
We have discussed at svwp the target group for our articles and to which we should adjust our language. And we have come to the conclusion 15-16 years old (good) students. If younger it is too hard to understand the elements we use in an article to describe an issue. And to write without

[Wikimedia-l] March Wikimedia Foundation Board Meeting Outcomes and June 23 agenda items

2022-06-23 Thread Nataliia Tymkiv
Dear all, I have not been writing to the list for a while, so please bear with me: this will be a long one. == March Board Meeting == The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees met in New York City over March 22-24. This was the first time the Board met in person since 2020 because of the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Neurodivergent Netizen
The English Wikipedia has a “plain language” wikipedia, the Simple English Wikipedia. It’s targeted not only towards children, but also towards people who aren’t fluent in English and/or have learning disabilities. A few “internet hack” memes say “If you can’t understand the Wikipedia article,

[Wikimedia-l] Re: March Wikimedia Foundation Board Meeting Outcomes and June 23 agenda items

2022-06-23 Thread Bobby Shabangu
Dear Natalia, Thanks for this comprehensive update. Great hearing about what the board is doing! Best, Bobby Shabangu On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 at 16:55, Nataliia Tymkiv wrote: > Dear all, > > I have not been writing to the list for a while, so please bear with me: > this will be a long one. > > ==

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Global Conversations on Regional and Thematic Hubs on June 24, 25 and 26

2022-06-23 Thread Cornelius Kibelka
Registration closes tonight. Please register if you'd like to join! Cornelius Kibelka schrieb am Mi., 15. Juni 2022, 01:24: > Hello everyone, > > thanks for being patient with us. As announced previously, WMF's Movement > Strategy and Governance team will host a *global conversations event on >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Neurodivergent Netizen
> I think that SEWP was created like it is, partly by fear of creating a > project openly directed to children, and I'm afraid it precisely make it not > so compelling for them. I think the solution is to make the Simple Wikipedia more appealable to kids, or at least more well-known to them

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Rae Adimer via Wikimedia-l
The Simple English Wikipedia is geared towards writing simple content for kids and others, but not specifically geared towards children as authors. Both because the majority of basic topics that they'd want to write about are already covered, and because only the content is simple, not the site's

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Galder Gonzalez Larrañaga
I'm reading your points with great interest, and I don't want to become this a (literal) Encyclopedia selling. All the solutions (Klexikon, Vikidia, Wikimini, Wikijunior, Txikipedia) are part of the same reasoning: we can't write an Encyclopedia fitting all the readers at the same time. It's

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Ziko van Dijk
Am Do., 23. Juni 2022 um 20:40 Uhr schrieb Mathias Damour : > Vikidia in French and Wikikids in Dutch are by far the biggest wiki > encyclopedias for children, with about 35000 articles each. Yet young reader > on the Vikidia's guestbook still ask for "more content", which certainly mean > both

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Neurodivergent Netizen
> We do, however, love when teachers use the Simple English Wikipedia as an > educational tool (aka, supervised editing), though more often in user-space > than article-space. For example, see: > https://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Schools >

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Mathias Damour
Ok, I did read your message too fast... I nevertheless know Simple English Wikipedia.   I think that SEWP was created like it is, partly by fear of creating a project openly directed to children, and I'm afraid it precisely make it not so compelling for them.   > The thing is, as the main

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Neurodivergent Netizen
The thing is, as the main English Wikipedia more specialist, and therefore more complicated, we have a Simple English Wikipedia that we shouldn’t let languish in the hopes of creating a children's encyclopedia out of whole cloth. From, I dream of horses She/her > On Jun 23, 2022, at 12:35

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Clover Moss
Also children are individuals, just like adults. There's vastly different levels of maturity and interest and that shouldn't be limited based on your age, outside of extreme situations that are actually relevant to age. 12 year old me would've felt very patronized by something like this. I also

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Clover Moss
I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in general, though. If there was a children's version, it might be useful for things like math articles. I remember looking up stuff like the quadratic formula when I was in high school, seeing way more advanced mathematics than I

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Neurodivergent Netizen
> 12 year old me would've felt very patronized by something like this. As a twelve year old who read on a college level, I would’ve been patronized as well, but my parents, my dad especially, would’ve tried to pressure me to using “wikikids” instead of Wikipedia, if both existed. It would’ve

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Small joy of the day: Txikipedia

2022-06-23 Thread Neurodivergent Netizen
> I don't disagree with trying to make language more understandable in general, > though. Right, but like I’m saying, we have the Simple Wikipedia already. From, I dream of horses She/her > On Jun 23, 2022, at 8:57 PM, Clover Moss > wrote: > > I don't disagree with trying to make