[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-22 Thread Mike Godwin
till does. When WMF was understaffed, as it typically was during Wikipedia's first decade, we made a point of steering certain complaints and legal demands to the editor community as a default choice. The policy reasons for this choice were straightforward. But WMF directly intervened

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-22 Thread Mike Godwin
ilar way, I understand that content added by ISIS sympathisers is > a problem in the Arabic and Farsi Wikipedia versions that the WMF is now > trying to address. > > Andreas > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2021 at 1:31 PM Mike Godwin wrote: > >> >> Andreas Kolbe writes: >&

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-23 Thread Mike Godwin
what the law expects from hosting > companies, everything is fine. If it does more at the level of project > governance and publishing, then it runs the risk of being recognized one > day as a publisher and having to assume the responsibilities that come with > it. Kind regards, > > Lione

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-23 Thread Mike Godwin
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 8:22 AM Andreas Kolbe wrote: > Mike, > > The corruption of the Croatian Wikipedia began in 2009 and became front > page news in Croatia in September 2013. The term "fake news" hadn't been > invented yet, but the Croatian Education Minister issued a public warning > to the

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-23 Thread Mike Godwin
On Mon, Aug 23, 2021 at 11:09 AM Chris Keating wrote: > And when you were working for the Wikimedia Foundation those years, or >> serving on the WMF board, how did your own exercise of moral courage >> persuade people to adopt your point of view? I'm certain, given your >> convictions, that you

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-29 Thread Mike Godwin
Wikipedia, it follows that WMF institutionally decided, as a matter of policy, not to do what you wish they might have done. You do not have "the facts of the matter" that demonstrate such an institutional decision took place. Once again, you default to moral condemnation, and it seem

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 257, Issue 1

2021-08-29 Thread Mike Godwin
Someone with the entirely authoritative email address " hillbillyholi...@gmail.com" writes (apparently under the impression that I don't know who Andreas is) the following: 'I am appalled by your sneering condescension of Andreas.' This is an unusual misreading of a fairly straightforward, even t

[Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia issues in UNDARK.org #Opinion article to check...

2021-08-30 Thread Mike Godwin
available for evidence focused rational > consideration? > > Cheers, > > Peter > > > > *From:* Mike Godwin [mailto:mnemo...@gmail.com] > *Sent:* 30 August 2021 02:30 > *To:* Andreas Kolbe > *Cc:* Wikimedia Mailing List > *Subject:* [Wikimedia-l] Re: Wikipedia

[Wikimedia-l] My nomination for the Internet Society Board of Trustees

2019-02-05 Thread Mike Godwin
es/?fbclid=IwAR1qozU-R5KlhH7By4pSijOqB24wVJtPVqjSQKjuzno3vLPALzPSJUrtGHA Best regards! Mike Godwin ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines and https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia-l New m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Block of Wikipedia in Turkey ruled as unconstitutional

2019-12-26 Thread Mike Godwin
Great news! Even if the court's decision isn't implemented by the current Turkish government, it is important to have established that the block was a violation of constitutional principles. Mike On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 4:40 PM Katherine Maher wrote: > Hi all, > > I have some good news to share

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Block of Wikipedia in Turkey ruled as unconstitutional

2020-01-07 Thread Mike Godwin
I'd have been surprised if they had been unblocked, but, as I said, the constitutional win is still important. Mike On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 11:32 AM John Erling Blad wrote: > Both en.wikipedia.org and tr.wikipedia.org are still blocked. > > On Thu, Dec 26, 2019 at 10:44 PM Mike

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Politics

2017-02-04 Thread Mike Godwin
ent is meant to be a humane, outward-looking, courageous movement that acknowledges self-doubt but also remains committed to enabling us all to raise our individual and collective voices in defense of values grounded in generosity, love, and tolerance. T

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Announcing the Foundation's challenge to recent U.S. immigration executive order

2017-02-06 Thread Mike Godwin
Yair Rand writes: > I find it difficult to believe that this situation is so critical > and urgent that an RfC in advance was impossible, so if it does fall under > that section, the policy was yet again violated. I don't find it difficult at all to believe time was of the essence, but, then, I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-11-30 Thread Mike Godwin
of self-interested organizational move is a mistake, in my view. What it is, IMHO, is a logical development based on the core mission statement of Wikipedia. And in the long term it's actually helpful to the advancement of network neutrality withou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-01 Thread Mike Godwin
Tim Landscheidt writes: > I think on the contrary Wikipedia Zero illustrates nicely > why net neutrality is so important: Wikipedia Zero favours > solely Wikipedia (und sister projects), while contradicting > or simply other opinions and resources bite the dust. I'm not following your reasoning h

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Godwin
27;s comments haven't shown up there for me yet, if he has posted them. --Mike On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 8:10 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Mike Godwin wrote: >>Does this mean some platform providers will use Wikipedia Zero to >>justify their own self-serving economic alliances? O

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Godwin
MZMcBride wrote: > I can't say I watch PBS very much, but I do occasionally listen to NPR. > And to borrow a phrase from the West Coast, I find those advertisements > hella annoying and I certainly don't think we should emulate them. If you have an alternative funding plan for NPR, you should pu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Godwin
On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 10:56 PM, John Mark Vandenberg wrote: > Comparisons to PBS/TV are not a useful pro-Wikipedia Zero argument ... Nor was it offered as a pro-Wikipedia Zero argument! It is instead an argument intended *specifically to underscore inconsistent standards of analysis.* It is, ins

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-08 Thread Mike Godwin
Jens writes: On Mon, Dec 8, 2014 at 11:35 PM, Jens Best wrote: > Common access to streets and to public libraries are a cornerstone for > a free society therefore Telecoms which agreed on giving Wikipedia > zero-rated status should be welcoming by add more free content (like > e.g. the video-li

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-09 Thread Mike Godwin
Jens writes: > (I'm still a little bit irritated by your rhetoric trickery, > Mike, when calling the usual and established understanding of net > neutrality repeatedly "absolutist". This cheap rhetorical maneuver doesn't > fit you.) I suppose at this point I could declare that its "rhetorical tri

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship with net neutrality

2014-12-09 Thread Mike Godwin
+1 I agree entirely with every word of Erik's response here. --Mike > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 8 Dec 2014 22:28:37 -0800 > From: Erik Moeller > To: Wikimedia Mailing List > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] WaPo Wikipedia's 'complicated; relationship > with net neutrality > Message-ID: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Mike Godwin
der to make eventual victory possible. Wikipedia Zero is one strategy that gets us to the end result we all want to see. Best regards, --Mike Godwin WMF General Counsel 1007-2010 Director of Innovation Policy and General Counsel, The R Street Institute _

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Mike Godwin
egically aligned, sure, but > nil for impact. Seems to me that in its current form it's just going to drag > along---Zero either needs a clear procedural rethink or it needs to be would > down. > > On Wed, Apr 1, 2015 at 7:05 AM, Mike Godwin wrote: >> >> GerardM w

[Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Mike Godwin
reform, copyright and patent reform, and updating the U.S. Electronic Communications Privacy Act. That stuff is going to be my major work obligation in April and May. I guess I'm lucky that the prominence of those organizations has not led them to being so casually dismissive of me as you hav

[Wikimedia-l] Fwd: Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-01 Thread Mike Godwin
n from continuing to work with me on issues like NSA reform, copyright and patent reform, and updating the U.S. Electronic Communications Privacy Act. That stuff is going to be my major work obligation in April and May. I guess I'm lucky that the prominence of those organizations has not led

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Introducing Kourosh Karimkhany, Vice President of Strategic Partnerships

2015-04-04 Thread Mike Godwin
Rupert Thurner writes: > while i love irony, and value your opinion a lot, i find the tone of this > email a little harsh, not to call it unfair. I'm strangely untroubled by "harsh," but I'm glad you don't call it "unfair." I don't think I was unfair. Besides, when someone is as insignificant as

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia-l Digest, Vol 133, Issue 17

2015-04-05 Thread Mike Godwin
;> > follow them to work and meet their boss and tell them about their views >> on >> > the topics they were editing. >> >> somewhat tangentially, and to bring back this to topic to a more >> scientific setting I would like to point out that there has already >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My article on Wikipedia Zero and Net Neutrality, just out today at Reason.com

2015-04-09 Thread Mike Godwin
the Great Charter for Cambodian Internet Freedom. https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/great-charter-cambodian-internet-freedom-mike-godwin. --Mike On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 5:35 AM, geni wrote: > > > On 9 April 2015 at 00:51, Mike Godwin wrote: >> >> http://reason.com/arch

Re: [Wikimedia-l] My article on Wikipedia Zero and Net Neutrality, just out today at Reason.com

2015-04-09 Thread Mike Godwin
y knew I wouldn't.) --Mike On Thu, Apr 9, 2015 at 5:35 AM, geni wrote: > > > On 9 April 2015 at 00:51, Mike Godwin wrote: >> >> http://reason.com/archives/2015/04/08/nothing-but-net >> >> >> --Mike > > >

[Wikimedia-l] My article on Wikipedia Zero and Net Neutrality, just out today at Reason.com

2015-04-08 Thread Mike Godwin
http://reason.com/archives/2015/04/08/nothing-but-net --Mike ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinf

Re: [Wikimedia-l] [Wikimedia Announcements] Katherine Maher joins the Wikimedia Foundation as Chief Communications Officer

2014-03-28 Thread Mike Godwin
Congratulations to Katherine, who I know will love her work for WMF, and to the Foundation for finding such an able Chief Communications Officer in Katherine, with whom it has been my pleasure to work in DC. This is good news for everybody. --Mike On Fri, Mar 28, 2014 at 1:03 AM, Sue Gardner

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Child Protection and Harassment Policy (also relevant to "A personal note")

2014-05-29 Thread Mike Godwin
oing engagement with the movement and the community is one of general respect and regard, even when I disagree with their consensus, as I frequently do. I hope this note is taken in the spirit in which it is written. Thanks for your attention. --Mike Godw

[Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-05-30 Thread Mike Godwin
Chris writes: > As I understand it, the "right to be forgotten" will only affect the > discoverability of content, rather than existence of content. > > So if we rely on a source which says that person X did Y many years ago, > and X succeeds in invoking their "right to be forgotten", then the sou

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-02 Thread Mike Godwin
d. Plus, it must be said, Wikimedia Foundation is not well-positioned to litigate these issues again and again in Europe. --Mike On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:02 PM, Chris Keating wrote: > > > > On Fri, May 30, 2014 at 6:39 PM, Mike Godwin wrote: >> >> Chris writes: >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Mike Godwin
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:19 PM, Todd Allen wrote: > Would WMF, being in the US, need to worry about this to any greater degree > than it worries about, say, Chinese publishing restrictions, or UK > "superinjunctions"? First, WMF operates globally, and while I took pains as general counsel, just a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Mike Godwin
On Mon, Jun 2, 2014 at 4:48 PM, Chris Keating wrote: >> >> > I don't believe Wikipedia could be a data controller as it has no legal >> > personality, and legal personality is quite difficult to acquire when >> > you >> > set out to avoid acquiring it. >> >> On this point I must disagree. WMF is

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-03 Thread Mike Godwin
On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 10:37 AM, Nathan wrote: > Does the ECJ need to establish jurisdiction over Wikimedia or specific users > (presumably only those users directly involved in creating or curating the > content in dispute)? We've seen in some situations in the past (e.g. with > the DCRI and frw

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-04 Thread Mike Godwin
??? writes: >On 02/06/2014 21:14, Mike Godwin wrote: >> >> Google has a clear purpose too, and it was no defense. Plus, there is >> a public-interest argument in favor of eschewing the erasure of true, >> accurate public data that happens to be old. >> > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Applying the Right to Be Forgotten to Wikipedia (Was Re: Right to be forgotten)

2014-06-04 Thread Mike Godwin
Chris writes: > I think there's a philosophical issue about "privacy" here. As far as I can > see the ECJ interprets "privacy" as "the right to enjoy a private life", and > sees any party holding a significant amount of data about a private > individual without good reason as a potential infringem

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

2014-08-14 Thread Mike Godwin
works out well. --Mike Godwin ___ Wikimedia-l mailing list, guidelines at: https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Mailing_lists/Guidelines Wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Unsubscribe: https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikimedia-l, <mailto

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Why not everyone have the right to vote in the Board & FDC elections?

2013-04-28 Thread Mike Godwin
Sue writes: "Interesting thread, Itzik --- to be honest, I had forgotten that staff had > been granted the right to vote regardless of edit count. I wouldn't be > surprised if the only staff members who do vote are those who would qualify > under the edit count requirement anyway. > > "Seems to m

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Mike Godwin
Anthony writes: "I wonder if the WMF will shut down in protest should one of the proposals to amend the constitution to overturn Citizens United gain traction in Congress." I'm not speaking for WMF, but I don't see the connection here. Wikimedia Foundation, as a corporation, is profoundly regulat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Mike Godwin
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 6:38 AM, Anthony wrote: >> I'm not speaking for WMF, but I don't see the connection here. > > The connection is free speech. Analytically, however, the issue raised by Citizens United is not simply an issue of free speech. It centers on the precise question of what role c

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Mike Godwin
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 9:19 AM, Anthony wrote: >> Analytically, however, the issue raised by Citizens United is not >> simply an issue of free speech. It centers on the precise question of >> what role corporate expenditures can play in elections. > > The law in question was with respect to "ele

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Mike Godwin
I wrote: 'I'm entirely comfortable with The New York Times Company (a corporation) and its efforts to influence the outcome of elections (e.g., through candidate endorsements; I wouldn't want to prohibit The New York Times Company from political speech.' That paragraph got truncated through an ed

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Mike Godwin
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:08 AM, Anthony wrote: > You specifically contrasted regulations "as a corporation" with > regulations "by virtue of its being a nonprofit corporation". I > responded to both. You then quoted my response to the first, with > information with respect to the second. I'm

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Mike Godwin
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:34 AM, Anthony wrote: >> So? I gave you pointers to regs for 501(c)(3), (c)(4), etc. > > Well, no, you didn't. I think most people will agree that I did give you pointers to the regs. I agree that I did not give you direct links to the regs. Perhaps you understood "poi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Russian Wikipedia goes on strike

2012-07-12 Thread Mike Godwin
On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 11:59 AM, Anthony wrote: > Okay. Is there something in those regs which regulates what WMF "can > and cannot do politically"? All I see is regulations stating that WMF > may be taxed based on what is does. I'm afraid I don't understand the distinction you're making. >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] WMF Policy and Political Affiliations Guideline

2012-08-03 Thread Mike Godwin
Michael Snow writes: > Perhaps worth adding, I think it's fair to say that these reviews did > take place with respect to the use of Wikimedia Foundation resources in > the context of the January SOPA protest. They didn't necessarily follow > the form of the current policy, since it didn't exist y