Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

t; > peter.southw...@telkomsa.net> wrote: > > > +1 > > P > > > > -Original Message- > > From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On > > Behalf Of Chris Koerner > > Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016 5:52 PM > > To

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rg > Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of > Conduct (TCC) > > I'm speaking as a volunteer, not as WMF staff, if that matters to you. > > Adrian Raddatz wrote: > > It should be pretty darn easy to make a policy on user interactions > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

+1 P -Original Message- From: Wikimedia-l [mailto:wikimedia-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Chris Koerner Sent: Monday, 21 November 2016 5:52 PM To: wikimedia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC) I'm

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On Mon, Nov 21, 2016 at 3:47 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > And if we disregard any application of common sense, then yes, you could > argue that a technical code of conduct is needed. When you consider the > actual context, however, it becomes pretty clear that this is unnecessary >

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I'm speaking as a volunteer, not as WMF staff, if that matters to you. Adrian Raddatz wrote: > It should be pretty darn easy to make a policy on user interactions within > technical spaces. There is certainly a practice which is already followed, > so just codify it and call it a guideline or a

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Legoktm wrote: >On 11/21/2016 01:36 AM, Adrian Raddatz wrote: >> So, are we unable to enforce these things currently? If someone >>comments on a Phabricator task that user X is a big meanyface, are we >>unable to act currently because there's no code of conduct so how could >>they have known

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

Hi there, A bit of context is needed in this discussion about the Code of Conduct for Wikimedia technical spaces . On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 6:45 AM, Pine W wrote: > A substantial proportion of the comments on the talk

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Hi, On 11/21/2016 01:36 AM, Adrian Raddatz wrote: > So, are we unable to enforce these things currently? If someone comments on > a Phabricator task that user X is a big meanyface, are we unable to act > currently because there's no code of conduct so how could they have known > otherwise? The

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WMF staff turning into unelected IRC police, with the power to globally ban volunteers with no appeal process, and no transparency, is not 'legit'. It abandons respect for community consensus. WMF police will be divisive, not a real plan to tackle harassment. Fae On 21 Nov 2016 09:29, "Vi to"

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

So, are we unable to enforce these things currently? If someone comments on a Phabricator task that user X is a big meanyface, are we unable to act currently because there's no code of conduct so how could they have known otherwise? It should be pretty darn easy to make a policy on user

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I think they want a code of conduct as a background to any kind of enforcement, which sounds fairly legit. Vito 2016-11-21 2:33 GMT+01:00 Adrian Raddatz : > Oh, and similar to WereSpielChequers, I agree that better enforcement > methods would be far more useful than

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Oh, and similar to WereSpielChequers, I agree that better enforcement methods would be far more useful than spending staff time and money worrying about the codes of conduct. I understand that they are all the rage on the west coast of the US these days, but it's not going to help us finally stop

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Similar to Vito, the safe space/code of conduct crowd has never demonstrated that any of these principles are not already held and enforced across our projects. Adrian Raddatz On Sun, Nov 20, 2016 at 4:06 PM, Vi to wrote: > Same here, ofc. > I still cannot understand

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Same here, ofc. I still cannot understand how there could be online communities refusing these very basic principles. Vito 2016-11-21 0:57 GMT+01:00 Alex Monk : > On 20 November 2016 at 13:35, Jonathan Cardy > wrote: > > > > The nastiest

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On 20 November 2016 at 13:35, Jonathan Cardy wrote: > > The nastiest trolling, personal attacks and certainly the rape and murder > threats will get people blocked anywhere in the movement except maybe, > definitely in the past but hopefully not today, on IRC. > I

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Discussion about proposed Technical Code of Conduct (TCC)

I'm partly in agreement with Pine, this is more about policy than a bug and it should be being discussed on meta not phabricator. I disagree with Pine re the IRC channels. If the people running a particular IRC channel want it to continue as the recommended channel from a particular Wikimedia