Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-18 Thread Kim Bruning
That's one step better than I was hoping for, If all y'all are already in close contact with Erik, then I'm no longer needed in this phase. :-) (unless I can help with setup, or getting more data, or etc.) Good luck, and have fun! :-) sincerely, Kim Bruning PS. do post regular updates

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-17 Thread Stefan Fussan
We are about to migrate the WT data on WV as a first step ( http://www.wikivoyage.org/general/Migration_FAQ ). I am in touch with Erik as well. Till now i have got no time table and any further information from the WMF. But I am sure, during the next two weeks we will know more details about t

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-17 Thread Samuel Klein
The Wikivoyage migration plans should be able to proceed. I haven't seen a specific plan for how that will work; it is still being discussed on Meta and on Wikivoyage. Sam. On Fri, Sep 14, 2012 at 1:46 PM, Kim Bruning wrote: > On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote: > >

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-14 Thread Kim Bruning
On Thu, Sep 06, 2012 at 03:21:55PM +0200, Alice Wiegand wrote: > Hi all, > > on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following > statement about the travel guide RfC > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Travel_Guide : What are the next steps? Will the foundat

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-09 Thread FT2
Academic yes, however it's "noise" in their claim. On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 2:43 PM, Nathan wrote: > On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM, David Gerard wrote: > > On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 wrote: > > > All a bit academic in any case - IB didn't sue over the cc-by content > and even acknowledged i

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-09 Thread Nathan
On Sun, Sep 9, 2012 at 8:36 AM, David Gerard wrote: > On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 wrote: > >> Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB >> considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any >> non-conflicting wikitravel reuse terms and a

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-09 Thread David Gerard
On 9 September 2012 12:25, FT2 wrote: > Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB > considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any > non-conflicting wikitravel reuse terms and attribution to the site itself > if needed. There is also

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-09 Thread FT2
Actually the answer seems simple. Whatever the IB site publicly displays and requires, we can observe what IB considers adequate, plus the attribution requirements of CC-by-SA and any non-conflicting wikitravel reuse terms and attribution to the site itself if needed. We may do more (add diffs an

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 September 2012 21:11, emijrp wrote: > When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, > not its authors, so we can put "This text comes from Wikitravel". The 1911 EB is public domain; completely different situation. - d.

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread David Gerard
On 7 September 2012 20:47, Thomas Dalton wrote: > On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn wrote: >> Well, it's "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike", so will have to >> attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page. >> http://wikitravel.org/shared/Copyleft > Why attrib

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 21:25, Michael Peel wrote: > We encourage attribution of Wikipedia articles as: > > "This article uses material from the Wikipedia article "[[Metasyntactic > variable]]", which is released under the > [http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/ Creative Commons > Attribu

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 21:11, emijrp wrote: > When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, > not its authors, so we can put "This text comes from Wikitravel". We use 1911 Britannica texts because they are in the public domain. We don't have to attribute them at all, but

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Stefan Fussan
We have a complete set of articles and pictures including the complete history (August 2012 just a day before they disabled the api). We are about to migrate all articles on Wikivoyage. A test of Wikitravel:en articles and wikitravel:shared pictures on Wikivoyage is running. So we have a Wikivo

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Michael Peel
On 7 Sep 2012, at 21:14, Nathan wrote: > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp wrote: >> When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, >> not its authors, so we can put "This text comes from Wikitravel". >> >> Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writin

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread emijrp
How to re-use Wikitravel guides http://www.webcitation.org/6AVYKMbhE Example of credits: http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.php?title=Singapore&action=credits 2012/9/7 Nathan > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp wrote: > > When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encycl

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Deryck Chan
Just write "Imported from Wikitravel" and list the names of all page authors by scrubbing the Wikitravel page. Attribution given, problem solved! (okay, not the import practicality bit) On 7 September 2012 21:14, Nathan wrote: > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp wrote: > > When we use 1911

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Nathan
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 4:11 PM, emijrp wrote: > When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, > not its authors, so we can put "This text comes from Wikitravel". > > Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape > just the usernames from hi

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread emijrp
When we use 1911 Britannica texts, we only attribute to the encyclopedia, not its authors, so we can put "This text comes from Wikitravel". Anyway, if we are going to use Wikitravel texts, writing a script to scrape just the usernames from histories is trivial http://wikitravel.org/wiki/en/index.p

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 20:59, Daniel Zahn wrote: > On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton > wrote: > >> Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be >> attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied >> across with the page history intact > > Rea

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Daniel Zahn
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > Why attribute Wikitravel? The license only requires the author to be > attributed, not the first publisher. Ideally, content will be copied > across with the page history intact Really? it says.. "(2) credit the author, licensor and/or othe

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Daniel Zahn
On Fri, Sep 7, 2012 at 12:47 PM, Thomas Dalton wrote: > haven't been following too closely - are there any dumps available? It > seems unlikely it will be possible to get any now (I doubt IB can be > compelled to provide one). They just disabled their Special:Export page, but too late a bit sinc

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread emijrp
2012/9/7 Thomas Dalton > On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn wrote: > > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > > wrote: > > > >> and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on > free > >> license... > > > > Well, it's "Creative Commons Attribution-Sha

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 7 September 2012 20:40, Daniel Zahn wrote: > On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton > wrote: > >> and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free >> license... > > Well, it's "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike", so will have to > attribute Wikit

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Daniel Zahn
On Thu, Sep 6, 2012 at 7:40 AM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: > and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free > license... Well, it's "Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike", so will have to attribute Wikitravel and the original author(s) on every single page. htt

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-07 Thread Florence Devouard
To be fair, it's nice to see that they recognize their community has a value :) Flo On 9/6/12 4:40 PM, Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton wrote: \o/ Nice! and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... On 6 September 2012 10:21, Alice Wiegand wrote: Hi all

Re: [Wikimedia-l] Wikimedia Travel Guide: Board statement

2012-09-06 Thread Rodrigo Tetsuo Argenton
\o/ Nice! and I'm wondering how they will sue for importing content that is on free license... On 6 September 2012 10:21, Alice Wiegand wrote: > Hi all, > > on behalf of the Board of Trustees I'm glad to announce the following > statement about the travel guide RfC > http://meta.wikimedia.org