Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

2014-03-08 Thread Gnangarra
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Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

2014-03-08 Thread Charles Gregory
Hi Janet, One thing that most of us (who are generally only English speakers) don't take into account is that a lot of the rules that we have on Wikipedia are actually English Wikipedia rules. Verifiability, notability, etc guidelines are pretty broad, but some language Wikipedias may choose to

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

2014-03-08 Thread Andrew Owens
Also I think something that, given the structure of their society and culture, they should be driving rather than us. I'd be open to helping Aboriginal groups who approached us for technical or other assistance. But we must always remember it's their culture and we're outsiders. At this stage I

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

2014-03-08 Thread Craig Franklin
Absolutely. I've always been firm on this point that a bunch of non-Indigenous people blundering into the area, even if they have the absolute best and purest of intentions, will almost certainly end up doing more harm than good. Leonard Collard, the Professor who is driving this, is actually an

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

2014-03-08 Thread Craig Franklin
Oh, and on the other topic you raise, you're thinking of Oral citations. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research%3aOral_Citations Unfortunately, it didn't end happily on English Wikipedia as it was just too much of a cultural leap for everyone to make, which is why you don't see them anymore.

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

2014-03-08 Thread Gnangarra
Oral histories are better being recorded, stored separately and then used for citation of quotes rather than pure reference sources, I think creating a Wikitionary Noongar language would be a better fit with en articles covering noongar stories and inclusion of Noongar stories, names etc in

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

2014-03-08 Thread Bruce White
: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia To: cfrank...@halonetwork.net, Wikimedia Australia Chapter wikimediaau-l@lists.wikimedia.org Received: Saturday, 8 March, 2014, 10:52 PM On 8 March 2014 21:54, Craig Franklin cfrank...@halonetwork.net wrote: For what it's worth

Re: [Wikimediaau-l] Creation of Noongar (Aboriginal) Wikipedia

2014-03-08 Thread Pru Mitchell
Interesting that the question about whether oral history was a valid source came up at yesterday`s Paralympics workshop in Melbourne (great day by the way for anyone who can get to today`s session). If someone publishes an oral history do they usually verify facts before publishing? We thought