Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-10 Thread CherianTinu Abraham
Another one >> http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Makrandjoshi&oldid=108166042 ( No translation needed) On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 3:53 PM, CherianTinu Abraham wrote: > I think, some are getting it all wrong. It is not about sympathies to > Nichalp or who so ever. > > The problem is not

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-10 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
Just to point out Ravi, Wifione, not only has admin privileges, but also has Edit-filter rights, which is potentially more disasterous if he truly is being paid by AC. -- On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 5:22 AM, Ashwin Baindur wrote: > Ah but much of the discussion arose because of that case! Hence it

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread Ashwin Baindur
Ah but much of the discussion arose because of that case! Hence its relevance. Warm regards, Ashwin Baindur -- On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 6:41 PM, Ravishankar wrote: > Ashwin, > > I already said discussing in general terms is fine. Nichalp Vs Wi

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread Ravishankar
Ashwin, I already said discussing in general terms is fine. Nichalp Vs Wifione is out of the scope of this list in my opinion. Ravi ___ Wikimediaindia-l mailing list Wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org To unsubscribe from the list / change mailing pref

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 17:30, Ashwin Baindur wrote: > I think the problem of sock-puppets on Indic languages has yet to come > to prominence. > Its only about time, Tamil Wikipedia has WP:SOCK[1] as a policy and was cited to possible socker just last month.[2] Now thats a sign of "Growth" :P [1]

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread Ashwin Baindur
I think the problem of sock-puppets on Indic languages has yet to come to prominence. There may be many more malpractices there as compared to en-WP. Education of all concerned is vital at Wikimedia-l. We cant be puritans over the scope of the list, excluding something just because it pertains to a

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread Ravishankar
> The problem is not conflict of interest editing... It is not even a > philosophical debate of Paid editing Vs Volunteer editing... The problem is > getting paid to white wash "negative materials" in favor of the clients, > which eventually render Wikipedia articles biased and information > suppre

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
On the subject of neutrality. What if the Washinton Post, or New York Times carried out an article showing IIPM/AC in negative light? Will they also be categorised as opinionated? I believe the matter is a semi-domesticated issue. Only Indian companies are getting sued. On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 2:2

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread CherianTinu Abraham
I think, some are getting it all wrong. It is not about sympathies to Nichalp or who so ever. The problem is not conflict of interest editing... It is not even a philosophical debate of Paid editing Vs Volunteer editing... The problem is getting paid to white wash "negative materials" in favor of

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread Vickram Crishna
On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:42 PM, Ashwin Baindur wrote: > I was told by someone that Wikipeding was a > voluntary activity so high standards should not be expected in > competence. If that is true, then we should not suddenly start > witch-hunting on the basis of principle when we are ourselves so >

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi, I think we mean this criticism only in the Wikipedia reference. It's not as if we're going to catch and hand over this guy to the Police. Such paid editing lowers the morale of other editors. Efforts must be made to stop such work that is detrimental to other Wikipedia volunteers. Then again

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-09 Thread Ashwin Baindur
I would only like to remind people that showing some sympathy is not a bad thing . Coming from armed forces where there are no second places - to me the greatest sin is lack of competence, whether in language, wiki-writing, techniques or otherwise. I was told by someone that Wikipeding was a volun

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-08 Thread praveenp
ion of Mr. Devi Singh from IIM Lucknow. That is a self-published >> statement which should not be used to make a definitive statement." - >> Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion) >> >> Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above >>

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-08 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
-- > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:51:33 -0800 > From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > > Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione > > IT is sad, but true about what happened to Nicholas. While the edits by > W

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-08 Thread Konarak Ratnakar
What if he's monitoring all India related lists and the related discussions? Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:51:33 -0800 From: parakara.gh...@gmail.com To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione IT is sad, but true about what happen

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-08 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
> Wifione 19:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC) (Same discussion) > > Im not commenting on the contents of the original email, the above > definitely looks a bit out of order to me. > > > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100 > > From: jay...@gmail.com > > To: wikimediai

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-08 Thread wheredevelsdare
commenting on the contents of the original email, the above definitely looks a bit out of order to me. > Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 19:37:01 +1100 > From: jay...@gmail.com > To: wikimediaindia-l@lists.wikimedia.org > CC: wikimedia-in...@lists.wikimedia.org; wikie...@lists.wikimedia.org > Su

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-08 Thread John Vandenberg
On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 7:08 PM, CherianTinu Abraham wrote: > Unbelievable but Shocking ! > > I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, ... So far the evidence is not good. > but a look at the edit history > of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests > of IIPM

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-08 Thread Vickram Crishna
What is rather odd is that the 'story' is written as a defense of Nichalp/Wifione/Wikifone. Possibly some people may have known him personally and therefore the tone of the article. I find the statement "They don't realize that, in the long run, editors cannot be expected to devote their time to

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-08 Thread CherianTinu Abraham
Unbelievable but Shocking ! I am not sure if Wikifone is same as Nichalp, but a look at the edit history of Wikifone, the editor has some serious interest to protect the interests of IIPM and its stakeholders. He seems to even change policy pages to suit his cause http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-07 Thread Pradeep Mohandas
hi, I do not understand why this accusation is written as a work of fiction. Whatever the problems faced by an individual, it does not provide grounds for crimes like theft. If the person does resort to these methods, has to face the consequences, if found out. I am sure we appreciated User:Nicha

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-07 Thread Ashwin Baindur
Sad. In his time Nichalp was a legend. his edits along with those of his compatriots gave a solid foundation to articles on India. I always think that we Indians crucify a man for what is NOT a heinous crime, yet we tend to be hypocrites in daily life all the time. For my sake, I would rather weig

[Wikimediaindia-l] Pure Fiction: Nichalp and Wifione

2012-02-07 Thread guptchar
This is the story of Nichalp[1], an Indian student from Mumbai who became obsessed with editing Wikipedia at a young age. He transformed several articles into featured articles, and became a role model for many editors. He was granted the bureaucrat, oversight and administrator privileges - nob