Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Ravishankar
Hi, //Well, salaries upto 2 lakh _per month_ with additional allowances for expenses on domestic and international travel is pretty huge for India. Reading from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF-A2K_Grant_Budget_and_Utilization_Sept12_-Feb13.pdf// So what? An employee working for the

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
On 9 November 2013 13:58, Ravishankar ravidre...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, //Well, salaries upto 2 lakh _per month_ with additional allowances for expenses on domestic and international travel is pretty huge for India. Reading from

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Gautam John
On 9 November 2013 19:21, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: Do you think it is appropriate to compare Wikimedia Foundation or its functioning in India to profit making companies and BPOs? Yes. The goals might be different but they both require qualified, high quality people to make

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Prashanth Nuggehalli Srinivas
Indeed, paying more salary is “one” way of making that possible. To me, it is more than a technical decision. Going for (in my opinion) such a high salary reflects a “choice” by the decision-makers to adopt this particular way of achieving the goals. Now, this is for me in complete contrast to

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Gautam John
On 9 November 2013 23:38, Prashanth Nuggehalli Srinivas prashanth...@gmail.com wrote: contribution in the community. If at all, it should inspire it more. And paying this kind of salaries is certainly not in line with the way the community has been evolving. In general, we seem to be fixated

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Prashanth Nuggehalli Srinivas
Well. I agree with this. But, I think there is an additional argument, beyond accountability to outputs, which is the culture-maintaining spirit of the movement. I think there is something to be said of that. On 09-Nov-2013, at 7:11 pm, Gautam John gau...@akshara.org.in wrote: Why not measure

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Gautam John
On 9 November 2013 23:44, Prashanth Nuggehalli Srinivas prashanth...@gmail.com wrote: Well. I agree with this. But, I think there is an additional argument, beyond accountability to outputs, which is the culture-maintaining spirit of the movement. I think there is something to be said of that.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-08 Thread ansuman
+1 Shyamal It certainly makes the volunteers to draw a line on what they could volunteer easily and leaves the rest to them (and i have implied earlier about their abilities) and i afraid it's getting worse day by day. A2K might reach to thousands of people, but it is not going to help retain

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
On 1 November 2013 09:17, Asaf Bartov abar...@wikimedia.org wrote: Dear Shyamal, and everyone, I apologize for not responding in a timely manner to your question on the Wikimedia Forum[1]. Since that thread is now archived, and because I don't want to bury my respond, I'm responding here,

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 6 November 2013 18:08, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: Starting from the earlier program director, the salaries allotted were mind bogglingly huge when compared to the salary trends in the non-profits here in India. In general, salaries at non-profits in India are staggeringly

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Vishnu T
One of the reasons I personally would want to push for more visibility on the agreement terms is the spending that is being done on the salaries of the people involved in the Indian program. There's not much disclosure on these if I'm not mistaken. Or point me to it if there's any. Dear

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
On 6 November 2013 18:31, Gautam John gau...@akshara.org.in wrote: On 6 November 2013 18:08, Hari Prasad Nadig hpna...@gmail.com wrote: Starting from the earlier program director, the salaries allotted were mind bogglingly huge when compared to the salary trends in the non-profits here

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
Vishnu, The salaries of the earlier program director wasn't disclosed. There's not been much visibility there. Thanks for the links though. On 6 November 2013 19:11, Vishnu T visdav...@gmail.com wrote: One of the reasons I personally would want to push for more visibility on the agreement