Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-13 Thread Theo10011
Hi Barry I have to say I'm a bit surprised reading this mail from you. I really don't care about what the issue is, and what side you or anyone is, but this is not the way to address and answer feedback and queries that I've heard from others a hundred times. This is not the kind of professional

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-13 Thread Barry Newstead
Hi Theo, Look, this is a two-way street. Ashwin made rather robust assertions along side his feedback and I think I am entitled to both clarify points and call out assertions that are unfair or unfounded IMO. The fact that I did that, shouldn't be interpreted as disrespect for a senior editor or

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-13 Thread Theo10011
Hi Barry Thanks for the response. A couple of things, while I do agree on some of your observations about the trends on this list, I would like to point out I have rarely seen Ashwin partake in those discussions, either on the list or on IRC. To highlight general trends on a list, and use him to

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-12 Thread Srikanth Lakshmanan
On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 04:22, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.orgwrote: It would also be cool if we celebrate what people actual do and debate the efficacy based on the results (since all of our work is experimental in nature and unproven at this time) Since we are talking something

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-12 Thread Hisham
Hi Srikanth Comments inline. On Apr 12, 2012, at 11:38 AM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 04:22, Barry Newstead bnewst...@wikimedia.org wrote: It would also be cool if we celebrate what people actual do and debate the efficacy based on the results (since all of our work

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-12 Thread wheredevelsdare
Barry, I think the moot point is being missed here. There is a general feeling (atleast from what I understand) that IP should focus on what the community cannot do - and the community should be more involved in deciding what IP should do. Other chapters that have hired staff have hired people

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-12 Thread Hisham
On Apr 12, 2012, at 12:57 PM, wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wheredevelsd...@hotmail.com wrote: snip there is no report for March This delay is on my side. It is now up at http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Program/Reports/Community_Monthly_Reports/Mar_2012#Monthly_Report_-_Mar_2012 snip

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-12 Thread Ashwin Baindur
Thank you for your responding to me, Barry. I would like to point out a few issues, if I may, to set the context to my stated wish about what India Programs should be doing. A significant proportion of the events listed in your reference were community events and if we consider only those

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-12 Thread Barry Newstead
Dear Ashwin, Thanks for your message. I have to say that specific comments are much more useful than vague generalisations, because these are actionable for us and we can correct misperceptions (of which there are some significant ones below). I'd like to respond to your points below. Please

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-12 Thread Ashwin Baindur
Dear Barry, thank you for taking the trouble to provide a comprehensive and timely response to my critique. There is no doubt that India Programs is putting in hard work, and there are definitely good results as you pointed out and I agree with. All your points are well taken, though I am not in

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-12 Thread Barry Newstead
Thanks Ashwin for this additional response. A couple of quick notes to close this one out. Best, Barry On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Ashwin Baindur ashwin.bain...@gmail.comwrote: Dear Barry, thank you for taking the trouble to provide a comprehensive and timely response to my critique.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-11 Thread Srikanth Ramakrishnan
I agree wholeheartedly with Ashwin. India Programs need not focus on Outreach as long as the Chapter is there. In India, we see mobile operators giving free Facebook and Twitter access but not to Wiki. -- Regards, Srikanth Ramakrishnan. ___

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-11 Thread Barry Newstead
Hi all, On mobile: We are working on this. Deals take time to consummate and are confidential until they are finalized with partners, but there is work going on in India and we hope to have some good stuff soon. @Ashwin: At one level I agree, but another way to think about this is as

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East (SciDev.net)

2012-04-10 Thread Ashwin Baindur
I'd much rather see India Programs arrange such deals than waste time doing things that normal editors can do themselves. Ashwin 2012/4/11 Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoro...@gmail.com Wikipedia to be free on mobiles in Africa, Middle East Maina Waruru