Being a silent listner on the list for quite some time.
There are some points Asaf and WMF staff are not talking about.
When it comes to funding the chapter in any way, all kinds of questions are
raised. So much so that the chapter staff member left the organisation. At
the same time, A2K and the
Hi,
I welcome the community to place its concluding remarks at
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Concluding_remarks_from_the_community
Ravi
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Hi Vishnu,
Thanks for identifying the resource person and providing the rationale for
inviting him.
Hoi Gerard,
When I was discussing about a fundamental issue of WMF intervention in
India spoiling community dynamics, you came out of nowhere and questioned
my bias.
Then you went on giving
Dear Ravi,
On Wednesday 30 April 2014 01:12 PM, Ravishankar wrote:
But, when an unusually high amount is spent on a resource person
through CIS-A2K, I can't help point out the double standards followed
for similar programs planned by WMIN.
Please check
Hi,
As I engaged in the discussion regarding CIS grant proposal for the last
two weeks, I had this recurring theme echoed from various corners.
India is big. India is diverse. India is unlike other countries. So,
experiments (call it innovation) need to be done.
For the love of Wiki God, may I
Vishnu,
Volunteers come and volunteers go. That is the nature of the movement.
Do you propose to build a better Wikipedia with paid staff?
Please try.
Ravi
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Hi,
CIS-A2K has officially stated that it won't fix their erratic salary
structure.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Reply_about_salary_structure
Why should Wikimedia donors pay for the mistakes of the
Hoi,
What is unclear in the response of Asaf that there is no relation between
the money received by CIS and the Indian chapter? There is no rupee less
available to India when either CIS or the Indian chapter gets less money.
When you spoil it for CIS, you spoil it for India.
When the Indian
Ravi,
When I observe the activities of the Dutch chapter I find that they take up
things that volunteers are not able to. They are things that are often
complex and take a large network. What the Dutch chapter does for GLAM is
much more than reaching out to individual GLAM institutions. It takes
Dear All,
CIS-A2K had a two day meeting with WMF FDC visiting team in its Bangalore
office on 11th 12th Feb 2014. The main agenda of the meeting was:
Understanding current state of A2K -- basic facts (finance snapshot,
organizational context within CIS)
Financial review of CIS-A2K, per grant
Hi everyone,
This is also available on Meta at:
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/India_Access_To_Knowledge/Meetings/Minutes_of_Meeting_between_CIS,_WMF_%26_FDC
Hoi,
I am a Wikimedian and have been for a very long time. Check my record and
you will find that I have always been involved in both language support and
projects like Wiktionary, OmegaWiki, Wikidata, Reasonator.
Today new functionality has gone life on Wikidata that was expected for
over half a
Gerard,
I know you from the days of
http://ultimategerardm.blogspot.in/2011/11/freely-licensed-fonts-are-ugly-now-what.html
May I request you to stop hijacking mail threads and conduct your WikiData
sermons elsewhere?
Ravi
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Gerard,
Thanks for the carrots, sticks and snake oil.
https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants_talk:APG/Proposals/2013-2014_round2/The_Centre_for_Internet_and_Society/Proposal_form#Long-term_organisational_plans.3F
makes it clear that CIS-A2K is not going to exit anytime soon and they will
Like Gerard, I'm quite confused at the purpose of trying to get people to
stop donating to the Wikimedia Foundation, and am a bit disappointed to see
such a suggestion coming from someone who holds advanced rights on some of
the projects. I also note that the response of CIS-A2K's executive
Kevin,
It isn't about the exact numbers and percentages. It is about integrity.
You accept that you are getting over paid and yet you won't fix it, then it
is putting your personal interest above the movement's interest.
You call yourself a non-proft and yet you pay a salary that is far above
I would equally suggest that trying to cut off or limit the flow of funds
to the movement because you're upset that someone is being overpaid is
putting your personal interest above the movement's interest. I mean, if
you were literally successful in your stated goal, the movement would no
longer
Nitika,
This seems to be coming in just too late. And the timing does seem to be
questionable.
Regards,
On 30 April 2014 15:21, Nitika Tandon nit...@cis-india.org wrote:
Dear All,
CIS-A2K had a two day meeting with WMF FDC visiting team in its
Bangalore office on 11th 12th Feb 2014. The
When its about the Indian Community, I would further appreciate if
community members from India write in here. There seems to be more to
foreign members defending CIS-A2K grant while it should be more of Indian
community either defending or chasing.
I think Gerard needs to understand the Indian
Hi Gerard,
/ It takes a full time effort of very dedicated people.
I understand two points from this: 1. Either you say that the volunteer
community here is not dedicated?? 2. Or either the paid community is not
dedicated.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I'm, that's because you are going
Hoi,
I am saying neither. When I describe the efforts by the paid staff of the
Dutch chapter, I find that they are really dedicated and deal with complex
issues where many people and organisations are involved. It takes a deep
understanding and availability in time and is very much supportive of
Hi Karthik -
I'll step back from the conversation after this, but did want to say that
although I haven't been active in many discussions on this list, I've read
almost every conversation on every public list related to the Wikimedia
movement's activities in India for the last several years, as
Volunteers are equally dedicated, if not more, than paid employees.
I've known people who have traveled long distances at their own expense to
hold workshopa and other events.
Rarely have I seen a paid employee work with the same efficiency.
On May 1, 2014 1:40 AM, Gerard Meijssen
Kevin,
// I just wanted to speak up when I saw someone with advanced permissions
on multiple projects actively suggest an action that, if successful, would
not be good, and even if not successful, won't be good.//
My criticism is not different from what Sue Gardner, WMF Executive director
says
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