Thanks Satdeep, for the heads-up. This is important
Hi Rahul,
I really urge you to speak yourself about this issue here, provide
reasoning and explain your line for thought regarding your participation at
Wikimania 2018. Members from the Chapter and others as well tried to
explain, whatsoever.
Hi Rahul,
This is a reminder for you to reply on this email thread. It's been more
than 5 months and I was expecting a reply from you and I am guessing others
were expecting it too. Kindly refer to my email dated 13th September 2018
in this thread.
- Satdeep
On Sun, 16 Sep, 2018, 4:27 PM
Dear All,
I'm a newbie user.
On Wiki Mania Travel Issue:
I fear, what can get solved with a Hangout/IRC is draining us all for more
than a month.
We're washing dirty linen over community list, assuming
1. each person who receives it, is reading the same with interest
Purely in the
Thank You Asaf Bartov for writing back!
On Fri 14 Sep, 2018, 3:33 PM Asaf Bartov, wrote:
> Wikimedia India is an Indian organization, and the Wikimedia Foundation
> does not have a say in its internal governance. It does, of course, have
> great *influence*, insofar as it is historically its
Wikimedia India is an Indian organization, and the Wikimedia Foundation
does not have a say in its internal governance. It does, of course, have
great *influence*, insofar as it is historically its biggest funder, and in
that it can revoke its recognition as a Wikimedia affiliate. I state this
Dear All,
I have spoken to Satdeep and listened to his concerns. Regret for any
inconveniences stemmed at my end last night. Thank you Srikar and
Subhashish for writing.
Abhinav
On Fri 14 Sep, 2018, 12:09 AM Subhashish Panigrahi,
wrote:
> As Rahul is going through a huge personal crisis, it
As Rahul is going through a huge personal crisis, it is humane to give him
time to recover. Rahul, sorry for your loss and deepest condolences to the
close ones.
That said, it is important to discuss a few things publicly that would help
clear some air and strengthen the transparency. Not
Perhaps it would be advisable to hear from Mr Asaf Bartov and if we can
throw some light.
Whether best practices call for taking name publicly or should the
concerned persons approach CIS and WMIN and get the details.
Abhinav
On Thursday, September 13, 2018, Abhinav srivastava
wrote:
> It is
Dear Abhinav,
It is quite sad that I'm having this conversation with a wikimedian of your
stature. Satdeep is not the only one waiting for Rahul's responses. Please
use your diversionary tactics elsewhere. If you truly believe Satdeep's
credentials are dubious, use the appropriate forum to get it
It is necessary my friend. Name game business is no sign of maturity. Rest,
report has already been shared.
Affcom member who is selected and not elected showing biases concerns me.
This chapter only made him a featured wikimedians and assisted him and his
friends. His friend has also
Dear Abhinav,
I feel you have been overly enthusiastic in responding to the mails in this
thread. I clearly don't find *anything* personal and offensive in Satdeep's
email. That was a totally uncalled for attack on him. It is indeed true
that Rahul must answer a few questions raised in this
Comrade Satdeep,
Respect one's personal privacy. You can approach CIS-A2K or Mr Deshmukh and
WMIN and know who invited. Rest, report and documentation has already been
shared. You can also write on the discussion page on Meta where report has
been shared and find out, if you really want an
Hi Rahul,
It's very sad to hear about your loss. I totally understand how difficult
it must have been for you and rest of your family.
Thanks a lot responding to this thread. I understand your request to
personally email you but there are many unanswered questions such as
information about the
*Dear all,*
*I am extremely sorry to inform you that my younger cousin brother passed
away last Friday from severe medical complications. He was just 38 and had
been hospitalised for several weeks in critical stage. *
*Being engrossed in the family issue I was not able to reply the thread for
On Sun, Sep 9, 2018 at 3:47 PM Subhashish Panigrahi
wrote:
> Just a technical clarification - Asaf copied Rahul in his first emai so he
> must have received the email. I have copied Rahul again. In worst case
> scenario (if he is not there in the mailing list), others from the chapter
> board
Just a technical clarification - Asaf copied Rahul in his first emai so he must
have received the email. I have copied Rahul again. In worst case scenario (if
he is not there in the mailing list), others from the chapter board would have
informed him. It’s very hard to believe that the
Hi,
In spite of so many mails, if he(Rahul) is not responding, It is obvious
that he is not on this mailing list.
I found Bodhisattwa's initial query was in the right spirit but later on
tones got changed on the thread and it has almost become
scrutiny/interrogation !!
I completely
Dear WMIN EC/Rahul,
I think the community is still waiting for an answer.
My further points:
1. I appreciate Abhinav for defending the Chapter. Having been in the seat,
I would personally incline to defend too, however it really has to make
sense.
2. CIS has done it's role of helping WMIN as
Dear Rahul,
It's been 10 days since I've explicitly invited you to respond yourself and
to take responsibility for this -- whether a mistake or a
misunderstanding. It would be good if you could make time to do so. If
you are unable to put in the time, please at least drop a line
acknowledging
Perhaps also helpful would be to hear some response from Mr. Deshmukh
himself.
Rahul, I think the concerns raised here at least merit your attention, and
it's been two weeks. I encourage you to show up and discuss the concerns --
ideally, with a forthright description of what did and didn't
Hi Yohann,
As I and Satdeep requested, it would be great if you share the invitation
letter with all of us, so that we can know who invited WMIN president to
attend the meeting.
Thanks,
Bodhisattwa
On Wed, 8 Aug 2018, 14:58 Bodhisattwa Mandal,
wrote:
> Hi Yohann,
>
> Thanks for the detailed
>> With this invitation , Rahul Deshmukh had requested CIS-A2K to fund its
> >>> trip & they accepted his proposal.
> >>>
> >>> Going a little off topic & concluding my email, I would really want to
> >>> appreciate & acknowledge
Hi Yohann,
Thanks for the detailed reply. Much appreciated.
So, to summarize your mail, WMIN president got written invitation to speak
in the informal meeting of chairpersons during Wikimania and WMIN
officially requested CIS-A2K to fund him to attend the meeting without
depriving any Wikimedian
Hello,
I edit on Telugu Wikipedia & Wikidata. I generally only read and not write
on mails.
Why so much negativity taking place?
Earlier it was about reports. When reports are there the issue is about
meeting was not important. Let us is good faith assume that note has been
taken and transparency
Dear Bodhi
I still feel, you haven't read my email word to word. I would request you
to go by the 24 hr email rule (if not more).. which I personally do many
times.
Pardon my grammar & also my line to line reply, as I'm relying on my
phone.. Since I'm traveling..
I will again try to explain
Thanks Yohann for creating separate thread for discussion other than the
main topic of this thread.
Sticking to the thread topic, I am more eager to get a reply from WMIN for
my 5 questions, which I have put in this thread yesterday. I hope you will
find them among the diverted, off-topic and
Dear Manavpreet
You have been part of the Indian community for a few years. But I'm not
surprised, you don't know, why the chapter is not giving as much support
or training to the community, as CIS-A2K does.
I will answer this question on a separate thread on the India Mailing list
which should
Hi Abhinav
Thanks for the clarification. It’s not in other list because we emailed
them about the scholarship status and requested to withdraw the submission.
Again, this wasn’t a complaint, just a concern about lack of information on
such financial assistance program. Anyhow, we had many other
Hi Dr Manavpreet,
It is unfortunate that you couldn’t present. Yes ! Transparency and
effective messaging that one can approach affiliates for grants, in cases
has been lacking in our community. It is not about any office bearer, I am
sure CIS would have been neutral in making this judgement.
Hi everyone,
First of all, why is everyone else other than the one being questioned
addressing the mail?
As Abhinav said, If this is about voicing our opinions and concerns on a
public mailing list, I’d like to bring something to your notice and seek
your opinions on the same. In 2017, I and
Subhashish
> On Aug 5, 2018, at 8:40 PM, Abhinav srivastava wrote:
>
> Hello Bodhisattwa,
>
> I won't be available from tomorrow onwards as stated in my previous mail. I
> would like to reply to Subhashish, this evening.
>
> I am a bit surprised because of I when I wrote a clarification
Hello Bodhisattwa,
I won't be available from tomorrow onwards as stated in my previous mail. I
would like to reply to Subhashish, this evening.
I am a bit surprised because of I when I wrote a clarification you simply
discarded and wrote, "Let WMIN reply". As advised to you on Wikimania
mailing
Hi Abhinav,
Please stop diverting the topic. If those other discussions are important
for you, please start separate new threads. My questions were directed to
WMIN, please let them respond.
Thanks,
Bodhisattwa
On Sun, 5 Aug 2018, 19:55 Subhashish Panigrahi,
wrote:
>
>
> Subhashish
>
> On Aug
Subhashish
> On Aug 5, 2018, at 7:06 PM, Abhinav srivastava wrote:
>
> Hello Subhashish,
>
> I would put a few of my reflections. Responses in line.
>
>> On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 6:15 PM Subhashish Panigrahi
>> wrote:
>> Just to clarify, my responses below are not about Rahul at all but
Hello Subhashish,
I would put a few of my reflections. Responses in line.
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 6:15 PM Subhashish Panigrahi
wrote:
> Just to clarify, my responses below are not about Rahul at all but in
> general -
>
Yes ! The issue is much larger.
>
> What Bodhi wrote earlier makes sense,
Just to clarify, my responses below are not about Rahul at all but in general -
What Bodhi wrote earlier makes sense, “participation for chairpersons meetup is
not eligibility criteria to gain a scholarship as it is an informal meetup”. A
Wikimania participant gets to attend many such informal
I was expecting a reply from WMIN.
Thanks,
Bodhisattwa
On Sun, 5 Aug 2018, 14:25 Abhinav srivastava, wrote:
> Hello Bodhisattva,
>
> Please allow me to respond to your confusions. Responses in line.
>
> Again, as stated in my first mail on the thread, you are making too many
> value-judgments
Hello Bodhisattva,
Please allow me to respond to your confusions. Responses in line.
Again, as stated in my first mail on the thread, you are making too many
value-judgments with un-friendly tone.
On Sun, Aug 5, 2018 at 12:27 PM Bodhisattwa Mandal <
bodhisattwa.rg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
Hi Yohann,
Thanks for your reply, much appreciated.
I have read your previous e-mail very carefully, without missing a single
word.
My question still stands. Many apologies, if I have not been able to make
it clear in my previous mails, so I am adding some more perspective.
1) Chairpersons
(sorry for the delay, just following the 24hrs email rule)
Hi Bodhi
I would request you to please read my email completely. If you want, I can
give you an excerpt of my email, which should answer your questions.
//In a similar way, our President Mr Rahul Deshmukh had earlier attended
the Berlin
Hi Yohann,
Thanks for your mail.
If you check the link of chairperson's meeting, you can see, that many
participants were not president of any affiliates, they attended the
meeting on behalf of the president. For example, Nahid Sultan attended the
meeting on behalf of Wikipedia Bangladesh (WMBD)
Dear Bodhi & other community members
First of all, I would apologise for the delay in reply. Wikimedia India is
run by 7 board members(as you are already aware) & any discussion on any
topic, requires inputs from all of them.. Since all are unpaid volunteers &
have their own professional lives
Hi Asaf, Wikimedia India community members and CIS A2K Team,
I am sorry for intervening in this whole discussion but I feel the
discussion is deviating from the primary concern as we have received
another mail where a number of concerns have been raised in response to the
primary issue raised by
(@Amritasya: please note, your's an off-topic discussion here)
It does, and those who are subscribers to the list can see your mail. You
can always check the archive (
https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikimediaindia-l/) to check if your
mail has made it to the discussion or not.
You can
Why doesn’t my email reach this list? I have been a member for, like three
years.
On Fri, 3 Aug 2018 at 10:00 AM, Asaf Bartov wrote:
> Certainly, we can wait. But please understand I did not assert WMIN (or
> anyone) needs to apologize. Please reread and you'll find I posed it in a
>
Hello Asaf, Tito, Bodhi and others,
Bodhisattwa: Although Wikimedia India is yet to reply it would be in the
best interest that Wikimedia India also incorporates the question put up by
Bodhisattwa.
Tito: Coming out publicly is a welcome step and also apologizing. The
point 3 and 4 effectively
Hi Tito,
Thanks for the clarification from the part of CIS-A2K.
It is clear now from your reply, that the WMIN president sent a request to
CIS-A2K to support for his participation in Wikimania and CIS-A2K responded
positively as this was an official request from an affiliate
representative, I
Hello,
I, on behalf of CIS-A2K would like to clarify our position regarding Mr.
Rahul Deshmukh/WMIN representative's participation in Wikimania 2018.
We unconditionally apologise for not sending out information to community
and mailing lists about this support extended by A2K.
We received an
Certainly, we can wait. But please understand I did not assert WMIN (or
anyone) needs to apologize. Please reread and you'll find I posed it in a
conditional, as *one* possible outcome of resolving Bodhisattwa's concern.
I also described another possible scenario.
A.
On Aug 3, 2018 06:21,
Hello Asaf,
In consent with my last mail on the thread, please be assured, no
discussion whatsoever will take place until WMIN replies to the concerns,
the community takes its time to question, inspect and interrogate the
matter. Yes, all other issues will be raised on a separate thread and in
Folks,
As an outside observer, may I encourage everyone to try to keep this one
thread about its one, original topic? Abhinav, I found your responses
defensive and distracting -- listing other issues and other groups about
which concerns can be raised is a very poor response to *this* concern
Hello Bodhisattwa,
The first line of the mail which at 12:02 by Indian Standard Time, you
stated, "I understand you are felling bad with my toneI am sorry" .
Apologies for getting this statement wrong, If I have.
I would say, let us first address the point 1 which concerns response from
Hi Abhinav,
1. Now that Bodhisattwa has acknowledged on his inappropriate tone
> and it can be believed he would be a caution for future onwards and since
> the issue is in public domain, I would urge Wikimedia India to respond on
> this.
>
Sorry missed this part,
Where have I
Thanks Abhinav for all of this.
About #3: I indeed reached out to A2K staff and asked about the same questions
that you asked me. I cannot day for them and I’d like to assume good faith, but
I myself received the venue details late. I personally wanted everything to be
done publicly, and
sorry again, few corrections from my side about the numbering,
Hi Abhinav,
1) I already said, I am sorry if you find my tone appropriate, but
attacking someone personally was never my intention. I question about the
non-transparent and undocumented process which happened and its a fact. I
still
sorry, few corrections,
Hi Abhinav,
1) I already said, I am sorry if you find my tone appropriate, but
attacking someone personally was never my intention. I question about the
non-transparent and undocumented process which happened and its a fact. I
still find my question extremely relevant and
Hi Abhinav,
1) Got your personal mail and the link. I never knew that and amazed to see
that discussion was going on behind my back in another language Wiki where
i am not even part of. And although I didn't have to justify myself to
anyone, still I opened few glimpse of my personal life to you,
My opinion: The sermonising-in-public-tone is also unfriendly.
Regards.
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018 at 11:13 AM, Abhinav srivastava
wrote:
> Hello Satdeep, Bodhisattwa and All,
>
>
>
> I believe the response to the first statement put by Satdeep, on having
> expected more discussions, stands firm,
Hello Bodhisattwa, Subhashish, Satdeep and All,
Thanks for Writing Back!
To avoid the jumping up of issues, I have listed them point-wise, in case I
have missed any please feel free to add.
1. Now that Bodhisattwa has acknowledged on his inappropriate tone
and it can be believed he would
Hi Abhinav,
Thanks for your mail.
On Thu, 2 Aug 2018, 11:13 Abhinav srivastava, wrote:
> Hello Satdeep, Bodhisattwa and All,
>
>
>
> I believe the response to the first statement put by Satdeep, on having
> expected more discussions, stands firm, Indian community has advanced from
> the
Totally agree, Abhinav. Much appreciate for highlighting the friendly space
aspect as that is very important (and is a very difficult balancing act).
For some context, esp. those who are not in the Wikimania list, sharing
below what I wrote there earlier.
Though I’m not sure if it’d be right to
Hi all,
I expected more discussion on this. Although, Subhashish reposted this on
Wikimania mailing list and asked some really good questions.
I agree with Subha that if an affiliate decides to send someone to
Wikimania then the whole selection process should be transparent and also
some
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