Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Gautam John
On 9 November 2013 23:44, Prashanth Nuggehalli Srinivas wrote: > Well. I agree with this. But, I think there is an additional argument, > beyond accountability to outputs, which is the culture-maintaining spirit of > the movement. I think there is something to be said of that. I do agree with yo

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Prashanth Nuggehalli Srinivas
Well. I agree with this. But, I think there is an additional argument, beyond accountability to outputs, which is the culture-maintaining spirit of the movement. I think there is something to be said of that. On 09-Nov-2013, at 7:11 pm, Gautam John wrote: > Why not measure the output and hold

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Gautam John
On 9 November 2013 23:38, Prashanth Nuggehalli Srinivas wrote: > contribution in the community. If at all, it should inspire it more. And > paying this kind of salaries is certainly not in line with the way the > community has been evolving. In general, we seem to be fixated on the inputs. Measu

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Prashanth Nuggehalli Srinivas
Indeed, paying more salary is “one” way of making that possible. To me, it is more than a technical decision. Going for (in my opinion) such a high salary reflects a “choice” by the decision-makers to adopt this particular way of achieving the goals. Now, this is for me in complete contrast to

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Gautam John
On 9 November 2013 19:21, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote: > Do you think it is appropriate to compare Wikimedia Foundation or its > functioning in India to profit making companies and BPOs? Yes. The goals might be different but they both require qualified, high quality people to make the goals happen.

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
On 9 November 2013 13:58, Ravishankar wrote: > Hi, > > //Well, salaries upto 2 lakh _per month_ with additional allowances for > expenses on domestic and international travel is pretty huge for India. > Reading from > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF-A2K_Grant_Budget_and_Utilization_Sep

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-09 Thread Ravishankar
Hi, //Well, salaries upto 2 lakh _per month_ with additional allowances for expenses on domestic and international travel is pretty huge for India. Reading from http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:WMF-A2K_Grant_Budget_and_Utilization_Sept12_-Feb13.pdf// So what? An employee working for the sam

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-08 Thread ansuman
+1 Shyamal It certainly makes the volunteers to draw a line on what they could volunteer easily and leaves the rest to them (and i have implied earlier about their abilities) and i afraid it's getting worse day by day. A2K might reach to thousands of people, but it is not going to help retain them

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Shyamal L.
There is certainly some irony in having a 200,000 INR per month salary+perks and encouraging others to contribute voluntarily (worse still to call it staggeringly low). More importantly I think, besides mere envy, that this causes a rift between much of the community that was actually happy being (

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
Vishnu, The salaries of the earlier program director wasn't disclosed. There's not been much visibility there. Thanks for the links though. On 6 November 2013 19:11, Vishnu T wrote: > >> One of the reasons I personally would want to push for more visibility on >> the agreement terms is the sp

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
On 6 November 2013 18:31, Gautam John wrote: > On 6 November 2013 18:08, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote: > > > Starting from the earlier program director, the salaries allotted were > mind > > bogglingly huge when compared to the salary trends in the non-profits > here > > in India. > > In general, sal

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Vishnu T
> > > One of the reasons I personally would want to push for more visibility on > the agreement terms is the spending that is being done on the salaries of > the people involved in the Indian program. There's not much disclosure on > these if I'm not mistaken. Or point me to it if there's any. > >

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Gautam John
On 6 November 2013 18:08, Hari Prasad Nadig wrote: > Starting from the earlier program director, the salaries allotted were mind > bogglingly huge when compared to the salary trends in the non-profits here > in India. In general, salaries at non-profits in India are staggeringly low. So not sure

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-11-06 Thread Hari Prasad Nadig
On 1 November 2013 09:17, Asaf Bartov wrote: > Dear Shyamal, and everyone, > > I apologize for not responding in a timely manner to your question on the > Wikimedia Forum[1]. Since that thread is now archived, and because I don't > want to "bury" my respond, I'm responding here, on this list whe

[Wikimediaindia-l] WMF and CIS agreement

2013-10-31 Thread Asaf Bartov
Dear Shyamal, and everyone, I apologize for not responding in a timely manner to your question on the Wikimedia Forum[1]. Since that thread is now archived, and because I don't want to "bury" my respond, I'm responding here, on this list where most of the people who care will read it. To your qu