Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

I couldn't have said it better Bala. Swaroop Rao (MikeLynch ) On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 16:39, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > *>>That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that an editor > (in this case who happened to be a student) contribut

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

*>>That's one way of looking at it. Another way would be that an editor (in this case who happened to be a student) contributed content to an article. It would (almost routinely) reviewed by other editors who coudl/would improve it or point out issues. One of the aspects that the better students

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 11:18 PM, Arnav Sonara wrote: > > > > hi, >> >> It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. >> >> First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in >> taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus >> Amba

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 13, 2011, at 12:07 AM, Swaroop Rao wrote: > That's true Arjun, there is a lot of interest in this program in many > colleges, and this is going untapped. No, its not dead for sure. It was a > pilot, and it didn't come out pretty; no issues, that's how we learn. I think > that one thing

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:36 PM, Arjun mangol wrote: > Hey all, > > I refuse to believe it dead as of yet. There's yet a lot of avenues that > haven't been explored. My personal suggestion was that let IEP establish a > Wikipedia Club in every college in Pune to begin with, that would inculcate

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 12, 2011, at 11:18 PM, Arnav Sonara wrote: > > > Thanks to all of you, yes this was a Pilot, but at no point I see it dying. > Its just that we have taken a pause right now to learn from the findings and > ll come back all prepared and with the help of you all we ll try to gain new >

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On Nov 12, 2011, at 10:39 PM, Pradeep Mohandas wrote: > hi, > > It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. > > First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in > taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus > Ambassado

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:59 PM, Surya Prakash wrote: > From Bala's words... > > //Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error correctors. I > signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the IEP mails that > were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program essenti

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 12, 2011, at 8:04 PM, Swaroop Rao wrote: > Also, it seems that CoEP has most of the problems; I think that CoEP being an > engineering college, is more rigid in its working than other > science/commerce/liberal arts colleges. What we could do is branch out into > other streams (other t

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On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:37 PM, wrote: > Iv used turnitin during my MBA and can say that Iv seen people upload their > projects there, note where the software catches them, change the language in > that part and re-submit. People will go to any lengths .. > We do need to work on something goi

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: > > On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 18:56, Hisham wrote: > That's not accurate. The dates are as follows: It was concluded in all but > 1 class of Symbiosis School of Economics a few weeks ago (because the > assignements were concluded.) It c

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:33 PM, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > >>Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. > >>Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the > >>brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on their > >>own. > >

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

That's true Arjun, there is a lot of interest in this program in many colleges, and this is going untapped. No, its not dead for sure. It was a pilot, and it didn't come out pretty; no issues, that's how we learn. I think that one thing we learnt is that the US model may not work out well for India

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

Hey all, I refuse to believe it dead as of yet. There's yet a lot of avenues that haven't been explored. My personal suggestion was that let IEP establish a Wikipedia Club in every college in Pune to begin with, that would inculcate new, interested members who have a genuine passion for the projec

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

hi, > > It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. > > First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in > taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus > Ambassadors through the length of this Pilot. I hope the team will also >

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

hi, It was a pilot and hence I guess was meant to die at some point. First up, to the Campus Ambassadors, you guys showed a lot of courage in taking up and then following through on your commitment of being Campus Ambassadors through the length of this Pilot. I hope the team will also speak to th

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

>From Bala's words... //Online Ambassadors/mentors are not handholders and error correctors. I signed up to be an online ambassador. But stopped reading the IEP mails that were sent to me after i realised, that the IEP program essentially wanted to me to do the students' work. // Sure. We can (OA

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

Also, it seems that CoEP has most of the problems; I think that CoEP being an engineering college, is more rigid in its working than other science/commerce/liberal arts colleges. What we could do is branch out into other streams (other than engineering I mean); Law for example: Why not have law stu

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 19:33, Bala Jeyaraman wrote: > >>Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its > *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by > the brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on > their own. > > +1. wi

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail >>Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the brightest

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 18:56, Hisham wrote: > > That's not accurate. The dates are as follows: It was concluded in all > but 1 class of Symbiosis School of Economics a few weeks ago (because the > assignements were concluded.) It continues in 1 class at this college and > at 1 class at the SND

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

>>Many of us went through college recently know its not *Some*, its *Most*. Anything called assignment and graded will be copy-pasted even by the brightest 5% of students in class who would have potential to do on their own. +1. with Srikanth This is the SINGLE MOST important thing to remember fo

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 12, 2011, at 7:02 PM, Gautam John wrote: >> > > Fair enough. Just that at the scale the India program will run at, a > technology solution might very well be a easier first step than human > interventions. If we can't manage the scale (as we couldn't in this pilot), then we will reduce

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:55 PM, Swaroop Rao wrote: > > We used to have this mainspace-sandbox debate in the US Public Policy program > last semester, and we decided that the aim of the program was students > getting hands on community experience, and editing first in sandbox will not > give that

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:28 PM, Gautam John wrote: > > Srikantha, thanks for posting this. I did not know about it till you > posted it and I am sure there are many like me. It is worrying but at > the same time offers us a chance to make things better for the future. Apologies, Gautam, Srikanth an

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On 12 November 2011 18:55, Swaroop Rao wrote: > It used to be easier to spot copyvios on English Wikipedia earlier, but due > to some issues with Google, the bot which detected the copyvios (CorenBot) > is no longer running, though I have come to understand that Jimmy and Coren > are having talks

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

Our mails coincided, Srikanth, but my comments inline. hisham On Nov 12, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: > Hi all, > > If you are not aware of it yet, India Education Program Pilot died around a > week back[1] and a post mortem was done on Signpost[2]. I wonder if we > Indians li

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

It used to be easier to spot copyvios on English Wikipedia earlier, but due to some issues with Google, the bot which detected the copyvios (CorenBot) is no longer running, though I have come to understand that Jimmy and Coren are having talks with Google on this. We used to have this mainspace-sa

Re: [Wikimediaindia-l] Death and Post-mortem of Indian Education Program pilot -- #DelayedMail

On 12 November 2011 18:10, Srikanth Lakshmanan wrote: > If you are not aware of it yet, India Education Program Pilot died around a > week back[1] and a post mortem was done on Signpost[2]. I wonder if we > Indians like to only rejoice success's and keep silence when we fail. Srikantha, thanks f