Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Kipruto Bett]

Can I also join via skype?
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[David Mugo]

Someone give me a Skype ID to call...
On Jul 21, 2012 4:24 AM, "Alex Wafula"  wrote:

> Today's Agenda: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/Finance-meeting
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>
>>  Steve,
>>
>> It's not the Board who said you haven't answered questions. It's ME. I
>> asked:
>>
>>  What personal issues/personal dues were you referring to as an excuse to
>> not issuing the per diem?
>>
>> Isaac also asked:
>>
>> Why are you claiming that the per diem was not budgeted for, yet at the
>> start up grant, there's a whole $1000 budgeted for travel?
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_KE/Start-up
>>
>> One more thing:
>>
>> Since you adamantly refused to issue me your bank statement, I need proof
>> that the outstanding balance of Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account.
>> You can go to the bank and they can print you a letter saying that "Steve's
>> statement of account is in excess of X shillings" (X being the base amount
>> remaining from Wikimedia Kenya's money.) So if you get this official letter
>> from the bank confirming that Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account,
>> there would be no reason to ask for a bank statement.
>>
>> --Abbas.
>>
>>
>> --
>> From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
>> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:36:55 +0300
>>
>> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>>
>> I wonder what questions am not answering on the shared Gdoc with the
>> Board. Probably you should look at the comments in cells that had question
>> marks. If am not wrong, I have answered all of them.
>>
>> Thank you
>> .Stephen.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Limoke Oscar  wrote:
>>
>> GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up.
>> BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions.
>> Via my Xperia
>> On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo"  wrote:
>>
>> Guys,
>>
>> I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early,
>> but that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with
>> finances and the board.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri  wrote:
>>
>> I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose
>> we don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the
>> financial questions that are being posed.
>> Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents
>> requested, hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we
>> can evaluate them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to
>> our inbox( those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we
>> meet.
>> see you then
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki wrote:
>>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>> abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who
>> exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it
>> should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues
>> currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver).
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>>
>>  Oscar,
>>
>> Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial
>> statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be
>> emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their
>> homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability
>> -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email.
>>
>> If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Abbas.
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Alex Wafula]

Today's Agenda: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/Finance-meeting

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 4:25 PM, Abbas Mahmood  wrote:

>  Steve,
>
> It's not the Board who said you haven't answered questions. It's ME. I
> asked:
>
>  What personal issues/personal dues were you referring to as an excuse to
> not issuing the per diem?
>
> Isaac also asked:
>
> Why are you claiming that the per diem was not budgeted for, yet at the
> start up grant, there's a whole $1000 budgeted for travel?
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_KE/Start-up
>
> One more thing:
>
> Since you adamantly refused to issue me your bank statement, I need proof
> that the outstanding balance of Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account.
> You can go to the bank and they can print you a letter saying that "Steve's
> statement of account is in excess of X shillings" (X being the base amount
> remaining from Wikimedia Kenya's money.) So if you get this official letter
> from the bank confirming that Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account,
> there would be no reason to ask for a bank statement.
>
> --Abbas.
>
>
> ----------
> From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:36:55 +0300
>
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>
> I wonder what questions am not answering on the shared Gdoc with the
> Board. Probably you should look at the comments in cells that had question
> marks. If am not wrong, I have answered all of them.
>
> Thank you
> .Stephen.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Limoke Oscar  wrote:
>
> GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up.
> BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions.
> Via my Xperia
> On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo"  wrote:
>
> Guys,
>
> I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early,
> but that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with
> finances and the board.
>
> David.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri  wrote:
>
> I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose
> we don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the
> financial questions that are being posed.
> Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents
> requested, hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we
> can evaluate them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to
> our inbox( those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we
> meet.
> see you then
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki wrote:
>
> Hi Team,
>
> abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who
> exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it
> should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues
> currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver).
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>
>  Oscar,
>
> Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial statements
> or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be emailed to
> members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their homes. I need a
> meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability -- for I have
> failed to get answers and accountability via email.
>
> If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.
>
> Thanks,
> Abbas.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Abbas Mahmood]

Steve, 
It's not the Board who said you haven't answered questions. It's ME. I asked:

 What personal issues/personal dues were you referring to as an excuse to not 
issuing the per diem?
Isaac also asked:
Why are you claiming that the per diem was not budgeted for, yet at the start 
up grant, there's a whole $1000 budgeted for travel? 
http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:WM_KE/Start-up
One more thing:
Since you adamantly refused to issue me your bank statement, I need proof that 
the outstanding balance of Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account. You can 
go to the bank and they can print you a letter saying that "Steve's statement 
of account is in excess of X shillings" (X being the base amount remaining from 
Wikimedia Kenya's money.) So if you get this official letter from the bank 
confirming that Wikimedia Kenya's money is in your account, there would be no 
reason to ask for a bank statement. 
--Abbas.

From: stevewan...@wikimedia.or.ke
Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 15:36:55 +0300
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

I wonder what questions am not answering on the shared Gdoc with the 
Board. Probably you should look at the comments in cells that had 
question marks. If am not wrong, I have answered all of them.

Thank you

.Stephen.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Limoke Oscar  wrote:


GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up.
BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions.
Via my Xperia
On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo"  wrote:



Guys,

I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early, but 
that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with finances 
and the board. 

David.





On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri  wrote:




I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose we 
don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the 
financial questions that are being posed.
Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents requested, 
hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we can evaluate 
them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to our inbox( those 
who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we meet.






see you then

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki  wrote:






Hi Team,

abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who 
exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it should 
be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues currently),the 
chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver).









On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood  wrote:







Oscar,
Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial statements or 
"digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be emailed to members and 
they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their homes. I need a meeting to get 
justifications, answers, and accountability -- for I have failed to get answers 
and accountability via email.








If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.
Thanks,Abbas. 

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Stephen Wanjau]

I wonder what questions am not answering on the shared Gdoc with the Board.
Probably you should look at the comments in cells that had question marks.
If am not wrong, I have answered all of them.

Thank you
.Stephen.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:33 PM, Limoke Oscar  wrote:

> GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up.
>
> BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions.
>
> Via my Xperia
> On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo"  wrote:
>
>> Guys,
>>
>> I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early,
>> but that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with
>> finances and the board.
>>
>> David.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri  wrote:
>>
>>> I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose
>>> we don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the
>>> financial questions that are being posed.
>>> Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents
>>> requested, hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we
>>> can evaluate them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to
>>> our inbox( those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we
>>> meet.
>>> see you then
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki wrote:
>>>
 Hi Team,

 abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the
 country-who exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am
 thinking it should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the
 issues currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well
 enuf(Oliver).


 On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood wrote:

>  Oscar,
>
> Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial
> statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be
> emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their
> homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability
> -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email.
>
> If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.
>
> Thanks,
> Abbas.
>
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Limoke Oscar]

GOOD,the whole board has confirmed attendance and so the meeting is up.

BIG AGENDA is Financials and questions.

Via my Xperia
On Jul 19, 2012 3:29 PM, "David Mugo"  wrote:

> Guys,
>
> I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early,
> but that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with
> finances and the board.
>
> David.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri  wrote:
>
>> I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose
>> we don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the
>> financial questions that are being posed.
>> Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents
>> requested, hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we
>> can evaluate them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to
>> our inbox( those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we
>> meet.
>> see you then
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Team,
>>>
>>> abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who
>>> exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it
>>> should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues
>>> currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver).
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>>>
  Oscar,

 Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial
 statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be
 emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their
 homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability
 -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email.

 If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.

 Thanks,
 Abbas.

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[David Mugo]

Guys,

I will attend the meeting by skype. Means I have to wake up really early,
but that is alright. There is a need to separate any current state with
finances and the board.

David.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Ann Njeri  wrote:

> I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose
> we don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the
> financial questions that are being posed.
> Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents
> requested, hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we
> can evaluate them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to
> our inbox( those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we
> meet.
> see you then
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki wrote:
>
>> Hi Team,
>>
>> abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who
>> exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it
>> should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues
>> currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver).
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>>
>>>  Oscar,
>>>
>>> Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial
>>> statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be
>>> emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their
>>> homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability
>>> -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email.
>>>
>>> If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Abbas.
>>>
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Ann Njeri]

I suggest we just meet and ask all the questions we have then. I propose we
don't discuss the matter further since nobody seems to be addressing the
financial questions that are being posed.
Meanwhile Steve can prepare himself by getting all the documents requested,
hopefully he can make some copies of the statements so that we can evaluate
them on Saturday. Even better if he can send the statements to our inbox(
those who requested) so that we can have questions ready when we meet.
see you then

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:30 PM, Grace Kariuki  wrote:

> Hi Team,
>
> abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who
> exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it
> should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues
> currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver).
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood wrote:
>
>>  Oscar,
>>
>> Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial
>> statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be
>> emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their
>> homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability
>> -- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via email.
>>
>> If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Abbas.
>>
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Limoke Oscar]

Abbas,

The meeting will be both and I think the agenda is up for changes.

> Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial
statements or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be
emailed to members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their
homes. I need a meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability
-- for I have failed to get answers and accountability via emaail

I dint know you had sort for answers in vain.in that case,we should
probably just make this an accountability meeting where we will be taken
through all our finances by the treasurer

Steve,
Please share the doc with all members by kesho morning?

>
> If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Grace Kariuki]

Hi Team,

abbass might not come,Oliver is not coming,David isnt in the country-who
exactly will be the signatories of the new account?coz i am thinking it
should be the treasurer(who first needs to clarify on the issues
currently),the chairman and a 3rd party whom we can trust well enuf(Oliver).


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 2:13 PM, Abbas Mahmood  wrote:

>  Oscar,
>
> Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial statements
> or "digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be emailed to
> members and they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their homes. I need a
> meeting to get justifications, answers, and accountability -- for I have
> failed to get answers and accountability via email.
>
> If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.
>
> Thanks,
> Abbas.
>
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[Abbas Mahmood]

Oscar,
Personally, I don't need a meeting to get hold of the financial statements or 
"digest" them. Financial statements and reports can be emailed to members and 
they can read them at the (dis)comfort of their homes. I need a meeting to get 
justifications, answers, and accountability -- for I have failed to get answers 
and accountability via email.
If this upcoming meeting wouldn't be a Q&A, then count me out.
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[Gerrard kosgei]

Oscar and Grace

Thank you. i will be there.
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[Grace Kariuki]

 HiGerrald,
Avail urself for the meeting,the audit commitee selection will be done then.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:38 AM, Limoke Oscar wrote:

> That being Said, Saturday it is at UoN Grounds ( Near the Fountain
> of Knowledge).  I guess the  agenda is all set out:
> *
> *
> *Agenda:*
>
>1. WMKE Financial Status---Steve
>2. New Bank Account for WMKE and transiting of remaining funds to it
>by Treasurer.---Steve
>3. Wiki Loves Monuments Project ProposalOscar
>4. Membership Structure and fee---All
>5. Wikimania Per diems---All attendees
>6. AOB
>
>
> Please NOTE :
>
>1. that this will not be the place to audit Expenditures made by
>the treasurer, the Audit Committee that so far only has one Member (Abbas)
>and the Board will do this later. However the Statements
>of Expenditures will be made available to the members. Not to discuss but
>digest.
>2. The meeting deliberations will be binding to all members (present
>or absent according to our Bylaws)
>
> Regards,
>
> Limoke Oscar,
> Vice Chair-  Wikimedia Kanya
> +254717845316
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[Limoke Oscar]

yes sure you can Gerrard, we are an open and voluntary movement. *Be
Bold* and feel welcome

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:57 AM, Gerrard kosgei wrote:

>
>
> Also on that note I am not sure if i qualify but i can volunteer my
> services as an auditor. I am a CPA (K).
>
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[Limoke Oscar]

Calendar Invite Done,

*Time: 11am-1pm*

See you,
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Also on that note I am not sure if i qualify but i can volunteer my
services as an auditor. I am a CPA (K).

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[Grace Kariuki]

Oscar,kindly include discussion of who the new signatories to the new
chapters account will be on the agenda.I think its very crucial before we
open the new account.

On other matters,i wish to volunteer to be on the audit committee.I have a
background in accounts and finance and its my opinion that the audit
commitee should be independent from the board to ensure transparency and
accountability.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:47 AM, Gerrard kosgei wrote:

> Oscar,
>>
>
> Please specify the time.
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[Gerrard kosgei]

>
> Oscar,
>

Please specify the time.
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[Limoke Oscar]

That being Said, Saturday it is at UoN Grounds ( Near the Fountain
of Knowledge).  I guess the  agenda is all set out:
*
*
*Agenda:*

   1. WMKE Financial Status---Steve
   2. New Bank Account for WMKE and transiting of remaining funds to it
   by Treasurer.---Steve
   3. Wiki Loves Monuments Project ProposalOscar
   4. Membership Structure and fee---All
   5. Wikimania Per diems---All attendees
   6. AOB


Please NOTE :

   1. that this will not be the place to audit Expenditures made by
   the treasurer, the Audit Committee that so far only has one Member (Abbas)
   and the Board will do this later. However the Statements
   of Expenditures will be made available to the members. Not to discuss but
   digest.
   2. The meeting deliberations will be binding to all members (present or
   absent according to our Bylaws)

Regards,

Limoke Oscar,
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Kosgei Isaac]

Hi,
I think saturday meet up is a nice idea.
We should sort out this issue as soon as possible.
I find it unethical for the treasurer to say he can't give us the per diem
which the board approved and yet he and Alex awarded themselves per diem
when they were going to Germany and the board/ chapter members were not
made aware of this till our last meet up when we were discussing about our
travel to Wikimania, I just talked to Steve and he says that the money was
not budgeted for,
May I remind him to look at the discussion page for Grant application, it
is Asaf who proposed an addition of 1000 for travel, so the question is,
where is this Money?

I am very concerned about our financials and I hope that everything will be
sorted Asap,
Isaac
On Jul 19, 2012 8:58 AM, "Grace Kariuki"  wrote:

> thats why we should all meet on sat and discuss.on that note also,since
> the chapters money was in steve's account,for accountability issues and for
> us to clearly know what amounts we have left,i think steve should present
> his bank statement so that we can stop dealing with assumptions and deal
> with what is actually there.
>
> I dont know what the team thinks about this.
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Limoke Oscar  wrote:
>
>> Grace,
>>
>> Steve had an arrangement with the board to spend the chapter money for
>>> some of his personal reasons(thats what steve told abbass).
>>>
>>
>> What Board and what arrangements? This is ridiculous to accuse the Board
>> to having okayed WMKE expenditure on personal reasons. I wasn't and am not
>> privy to this.Unless of-course there is a parallel board that I am not part
>> of.
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Limoke Oscar,
>> "*point me to the destiny,and I will curve my own path to it *"
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[Grace Kariuki]

thats why we should all meet on sat and discuss.on that note also,since the
chapters money was in steve's account,for accountability issues and for us
to clearly know what amounts we have left,i think steve should present his
bank statement so that we can stop dealing with assumptions and deal with
what is actually there.

I dont know what the team thinks about this.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 8:52 AM, Limoke Oscar  wrote:

> Grace,
>
> Steve had an arrangement with the board to spend the chapter money for
>> some of his personal reasons(thats what steve told abbass).
>>
>
> What Board and what arrangements? This is ridiculous to accuse the Board
> to having okayed WMKE expenditure on personal reasons. I wasn't and am not
> privy to this.Unless of-course there is a parallel board that I am not part
> of.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Limoke Oscar,
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[Limoke Oscar]

Grace,

Steve had an arrangement with the board to spend the chapter money for some
> of his personal reasons(thats what steve told abbass).
>

What Board and what arrangements? This is ridiculous to accuse the Board to
having okayed WMKE expenditure on personal reasons. I wasn't and am not
privy to this.Unless of-course there is a parallel board that I am not part
of.



Regards,

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[Grace Kariuki]

I agree with David on the issue of the board meeting first.however,there
seems to be very major transparency issues in the board.From what i have
gathered and the kenyan wikimedians need serious clarification on,Steve had
an arrangement with the board to spend the chapter money for some of his
personal reasons(thats what steve told abbass).

on this note,who is speaking the truth becoz then how can we trust the
board to solve this issue objectively.I agrree with Oscar,lets all meet
this Saturday n review the financials becoz from what i can see from the
expenditure,there is a clear lack of responsibility from the treasuer in
carrying out his role in a proper and transparent role.

Steve,Oscar,alex and abbass,there are receipts that you havent yet
submitted from the expense sheet that steve submitted.i would reccommend
that all the board members submit the pending recepits on sat.same to chris
and anyone else whose reciepts are pending.

On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 7:50 AM, Abbas Mahmood  wrote:

>  Alex,
>
> Indeed. After all, the bylaws clearly state that "All accounts, books,
> securities and any other relevant documents of the company must be
> available for inspection free of charge by _any_ member upon request".
>
> Oscar,
> I am also curious about the per diem issue. I inquired from the Treasurer
> and was told that there were some "personal dues" and "personal issues"
> that need to be resolved. I don't know what that means. I must say that I
> am very disappointed by the fact that Wikimedia Kenya volunteers went to
> the United States without being given a per diem, especially bearing in
> mind that there was a Board Majority Approval requesting the treasurer to
> issue out a per diem.
>
> No offence to the Board but if you guys are incapacitated and can not
> execute the resolutions you make, then it makes us, as members, question
> your mandate and power.
>
> --Abbas.
>
>
> --
> Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:34:13 +0300
> From: oslim...@gmail.com
>
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>
> Point of correction to Hugo
> WE are not going to audit the expenses made by us so far,all we want is to
> evaluate the financial health of WMKE.if there is any audit,the Board and
> the Audit committee can do that.
> Speaking of muscle, I am still wondering why the treasure is hesitant to
> make the Board approved per diem to Wikimania attendees. IS this another
> muscle stant?
> And this meetup will again seek to find clarity on this issue
> Via my Xperia
> On Jul 19, 2012 6:52 AM, "Stephen Wanjau" 
> wrote:
>
> Hello!
>
> I have shared the expenses sheet with the Wikimedia Kenya board and am
> waiting for their comments on that and questions if any to me as the
> treasurer so that the board can in turn present the same to the chapter. I
> am waiting for responses from the board and I have received none as yet.
> They have a deadline that I set for Friday the 20th of July 2012
> after-which I will take the next course of action after assuming they have
> nothing they expect me to clarify about the expenditures there in.
>
> Just so you know, I like the muscle of this thread and not the one on
> Wikiproject Kenya or Africa for that matter.
>
> regards,
> Stephen.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM, David Mugo  wrote:
>
> Abbas,
> You are forgetting that the board has not handled any finances or assets.
> What this should be is a handover of what so far has been handled by Steve
> officially to the board.
> On the audit committee, we did agree that we will form it and I think this
> is a good time to do so.
> David.
> On Jul 18, 2012 4:19 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:
>
>  No, I disagree.
>
> The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and
> self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an
> interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia
> Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings
> (which can be then made publicly).
>
> Abbas.
> --
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300
> From: raidar...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>
> Abbas,
> My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of
> the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there
> is a board.
> Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute
> could cause tension. Lets handle things right.
> David.
> On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Abbas Mahmood]

Alex,
Indeed. After all, the bylaws clearly state that "All accounts, books, 
securities and any other relevant documents of the company must be available 
for inspection free of charge by _any_ member upon request".
Oscar,I am also curious about the per diem issue. I inquired from the Treasurer 
and was told that there were some "personal dues" and "personal issues" that 
need to be resolved. I don't know what that means. I must say that I am very 
disappointed by the fact that Wikimedia Kenya volunteers went to the United 
States without being given a per diem, especially bearing in mind that there 
was a Board Majority Approval requesting the treasurer to issue out a per diem. 
No offence to the Board but if you guys are incapacitated and can not execute 
the resolutions you make, then it makes us, as members, question your mandate 
and power.
--Abbas.

Date: Thu, 19 Jul 2012 07:34:13 +0300
From: oslim...@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

Point of correction to Hugo 
WE are not going to audit the expenses made by us so far,all we want is to 
evaluate the financial health of WMKE.if there is any audit,the Board and the 
Audit committee can do that.
Speaking of muscle, I am still wondering why the treasure is hesitant to make 
the Board approved per diem to Wikimania attendees. IS this another muscle 
stant? 
And this meetup will again seek to find clarity on this issue
Via my Xperia
On Jul 19, 2012 6:52 AM, "Stephen Wanjau"  wrote:



Hello!

I have shared the expenses sheet with the Wikimedia Kenya board and am waiting 
for their comments on that and questions if any to me as the treasurer so that 
the board can in turn present the same to the chapter. I am waiting for 
responses from the board and I have received none as yet. They have a deadline 
that I set for Friday the 20th of July 2012 after-which I will take the next 
course of action after assuming they have nothing they expect me to clarify 
about the expenditures there in.






Just so you know, I like the muscle of this thread and not the one on 
Wikiproject Kenya or Africa for that matter.

regards,
Stephen.


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM, David Mugo  wrote:





Abbas,
You are forgetting that the board has not handled any finances or assets. What 
this should be is a handover of what so far has been handled by Steve 
officially to the board.
On the audit committee, we did agree that we will form it and I think this is a 
good time to do so.
David.
On Jul 18, 2012 4:19 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:










No, I disagree.
The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and 
self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an 
interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia Kenya. 
This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings (which can 
be then made publicly).







Abbas.
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300
From: raidar...@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org






Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

Abbas,

My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the 
team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a 
board. 

Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could 
cause tension. Lets handle things right.

David.

On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:





David,
What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you 
ensure that there's accountability?







Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that 
a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and 
get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? 
Who has the banners? Who has the camera?







--Abbas.


Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300
From: raidar...@gmail.com







To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

Oscar,

Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the 
appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i 
can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.

Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, 
there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would 
be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. 









This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed 
underground. 

David.

On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:

HI Team,

IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the 
recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 
2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an u

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Limoke Oscar]

Point of correction to Hugo

WE are not going to audit the expenses made by us so far,all we want is to
evaluate the financial health of WMKE.if there is any audit,the Board and
the Audit committee can do that.

Speaking of muscle, I am still wondering why the treasure is hesitant to
make the Board approved per diem to Wikimania attendees. IS this another
muscle stant?

And this meetup will again seek to find clarity on this issue

Via my Xperia
On Jul 19, 2012 6:52 AM, "Stephen Wanjau" 
wrote:

> Hello!
>
> I have shared the expenses sheet with the Wikimedia Kenya board and am
> waiting for their comments on that and questions if any to me as the
> treasurer so that the board can in turn present the same to the chapter. I
> am waiting for responses from the board and I have received none as yet.
> They have a deadline that I set for Friday the 20th of July 2012
> after-which I will take the next course of action after assuming they have
> nothing they expect me to clarify about the expenditures there in.
>
> Just so you know, I like the muscle of this thread and not the one on
> Wikiproject Kenya or Africa for that matter.
>
> regards,
> Stephen.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM, David Mugo  wrote:
>
>> Abbas,
>>
>> You are forgetting that the board has not handled any finances or assets.
>> What this should be is a handover of what so far has been handled by Steve
>> officially to the board.
>>
>> On the audit committee, we did agree that we will form it and I think
>> this is a good time to do so.
>>
>> David.
>> On Jul 18, 2012 4:19 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:
>>
>>>  No, I disagree.
>>>
>>> The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and
>>> self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an
>>> interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia
>>> Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings
>>> (which can be then made publicly).
>>>
>>> Abbas.
>>> --
>>> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300
>>> From: raidar...@gmail.com
>>> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>>>
>>> Abbas,
>>> My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest
>>> of the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why
>>> there is a board.
>>> Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a
>>> dispute could cause tension. Lets handle things right.
>>> David.
>>> On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:
>>>
>>>  David,
>>>
>>> What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How
>>> do you ensure that there's accountability?
>>>
>>> Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it,
>>> and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill
>>> it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has
>>> the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera?
>>>
>>> --Abbas.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300
>>> From: raidar...@gmail.com
>>> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>>>
>>> Oscar,
>>> Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the
>>> appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue
>>> and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.
>>> Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? )
>>> shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good
>>> start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here.
>>> This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being
>>> discussed underground.
>>> David.
>>> On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:
>>>
>>> HI Team,
>>> IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following
>>> the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost
>>> over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters
>>> meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way
>>> THE treas

Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Alex Wafula]

I don't think such a meetup should be contested and in accordance with
our bylaws, the Board should be audited by the CHAPTER. But from my
knowledge there are usually two reports, unaudited (from the board)
and audited (from the audit committee - released to public), otherwise
what will you be auditing?

alex

On 7/18/12, Abbas Mahmood  wrote:
>
> No, I disagree.
> The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and
> self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an
> interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia
> Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings
> (which can be then made publicly).
> Abbas.
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300
> From: raidar...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>
> Abbas,
> My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of
> the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there
> is a board.
> Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute
> could cause tension. Lets handle things right.
> David.
> On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> David,
> What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do
> you ensure that there's accountability?
>
> Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and
> that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it
> in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the
> screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera?
>
> --Abbas.
>
>
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300
> From: raidar...@gmail.com
>
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>
> Oscar,
>
> Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the
> appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue
> and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.
>
> Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared,
> there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start
> would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here.
>
>
>
> This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being
> discussed underground.
>
> David.
>
> On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:
>
> HI Team,
>
> IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the
> recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over
> 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting
> to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way
>
>
>
>
> THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as
> we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to
> plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals.
>
> Please Treasure make plans to avail the same.
>
> I PROPOSE at UoN grounds  this Saturday?
>
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Stephen Wanjau]

Hello!

I have shared the expenses sheet with the Wikimedia Kenya board and am
waiting for their comments on that and questions if any to me as the
treasurer so that the board can in turn present the same to the chapter. I
am waiting for responses from the board and I have received none as yet.
They have a deadline that I set for Friday the 20th of July 2012
after-which I will take the next course of action after assuming they have
nothing they expect me to clarify about the expenditures there in.

Just so you know, I like the muscle of this thread and not the one on
Wikiproject Kenya or Africa for that matter.

regards,
Stephen.


On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 12:15 AM, David Mugo  wrote:

> Abbas,
>
> You are forgetting that the board has not handled any finances or assets.
> What this should be is a handover of what so far has been handled by Steve
> officially to the board.
>
> On the audit committee, we did agree that we will form it and I think this
> is a good time to do so.
>
> David.
> On Jul 18, 2012 4:19 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:
>
>>  No, I disagree.
>>
>> The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and
>> self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an
>> interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia
>> Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings
>> (which can be then made publicly).
>>
>> Abbas.
>> --
>> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300
>> From: raidar...@gmail.com
>> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>>
>> Abbas,
>> My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of
>> the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there
>> is a board.
>> Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute
>> could cause tension. Lets handle things right.
>> David.
>> On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:
>>
>>  David,
>>
>> What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How
>> do you ensure that there's accountability?
>>
>> Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it,
>> and that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill
>> it in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has
>> the screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera?
>>
>> --Abbas.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300
>> From: raidar...@gmail.com
>> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>>
>> Oscar,
>> Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the
>> appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue
>> and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.
>> Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? )
>> shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good
>> start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here.
>> This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being
>> discussed underground.
>> David.
>> On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:
>>
>> HI Team,
>> IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following
>> the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost
>> over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters
>> meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way
>> THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts
>> as we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and
>> to plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals.
>> Please Treasure make plans to avail the same.
>> I PROPOSE at UoN grounds  this Saturday?
>> ps: Please come along with our per diems
>> Via my Xperia
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[David Mugo]

Abbas,

You are forgetting that the board has not handled any finances or assets.
What this should be is a handover of what so far has been handled by Steve
officially to the board.

On the audit committee, we did agree that we will form it and I think this
is a good time to do so.

David.
On Jul 18, 2012 4:19 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:

>  No, I disagree.
>
> The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and
> self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an
> interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia
> Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings
> (which can be then made publicly).
>
> Abbas.
> --
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300
> From: raidar...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>
> Abbas,
> My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of
> the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there
> is a board.
> Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute
> could cause tension. Lets handle things right.
> David.
> On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:
>
>  David,
>
> What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do
> you ensure that there's accountability?
>
> Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and
> that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it
> in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the
> screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera?
>
> --Abbas.
>
>
> --------------
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300
> From: raidar...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>
> Oscar,
> Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the
> appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue
> and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.
> Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? )
> shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good
> start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here.
> This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being
> discussed underground.
> David.
> On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:
>
> HI Team,
> IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following
> the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost
> over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters
> meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way
> THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as
> we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to
> plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals.
> Please Treasure make plans to avail the same.
> I PROPOSE at UoN grounds  this Saturday?
> ps: Please come along with our per diems
> Via my Xperia
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Oliver Stegen]

Oops, did we forget to mention auditors in our constitution?

I agree with Abbas - it's usually pretty standard that the general meeting
(or assembly) of an organisation appoints auditors who then report on the
financial actions of the organisation as a whole and the board in
particular.

BT

 

  _  

From: Abbas Mahmood [mailto:abbas...@hotmail.com] 
Sent: 18 July 2012 23:20
To: Wikimedia Kenya
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

 

No, I disagree.

 

The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and
self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an
interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia
Kenya. This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings
(which can be then made publicly).

Abbas.

  _  

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300
From: raidar...@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

Abbas,
My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of
the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there
is a board. 
Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute
could cause tension. Lets handle things right.
David.

On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:

David,

 

What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do
you ensure that there's accountability?

 

Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and
that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it
in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the
screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera?

 

--Abbas.



  _  

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300
From: raidar...@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

Oscar,
Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the
appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue
and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.
Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared,
there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start
would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. 
This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being
discussed underground. 
David.

On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:

HI Team,
IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the
recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over
2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting
to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way
THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as
we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to
plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals.
Please Treasure make plans to avail the same.
I PROPOSE at UoN grounds  this Saturday?
ps: Please come along with our per diems
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Abbas Mahmood]

No, I disagree.
The Board can not audit itself -- there will definitely be bias and 
self-interest. The Board can (and should) have an audit committee (or an 
interim committee) that will examine the financial records of Wikimedia Kenya. 
This committee will then report back to the Board with its findings (which can 
be then made publicly).
Abbas.
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:44:01 +0300
From: raidar...@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

Abbas,
My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of the 
team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there is a 
board. 
Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute could 
cause tension. Lets handle things right.
David.
On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:





David,
What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you 
ensure that there's accountability?

Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that 
a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and 
get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? 
Who has the banners? Who has the camera?

--Abbas.


Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300
From: raidar...@gmail.com

To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

Oscar,

Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the 
appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i 
can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.

Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, 
there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would 
be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. 



This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed 
underground. 

David.

On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:

HI Team,

IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the 
recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 
2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to 
do a quick audit of our financials in an open way




THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we 
stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan 
for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals.

Please Treasure make plans to avail the same.

I PROPOSE at UoN grounds  this Saturday?

ps: Please come along with our per diems

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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[David Mugo]

Abbas,

My point is that the board should meet, diacuss and report to the rest of
the team. I agree we should be accountable but there is a reason why there
is a board.

Discussing finances in large groups especially when prompted by a dispute
could cause tension. Lets handle things right.

David.
On Jul 18, 2012 3:33 PM, "Abbas Mahmood"  wrote:

>  David,
>
> What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do
> you ensure that there's accountability?
>
> Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and
> that a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it
> in and get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the
> screens? Who has the banners? Who has the camera?
>
> --Abbas.
>
>
> --
> Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300
> From: raidar...@gmail.com
> To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
> Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials
>
> Oscar,
> Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the
> appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue
> and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.
> Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? )
> shared, there are some things that require explanation and I think a good
> start would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here.
> This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being
> discussed underground.
> David.
> On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:
>
> HI Team,
> IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following
> the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost
> over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters
> meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way
> THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as
> we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to
> plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals.
> Please Treasure make plans to avail the same.
> I PROPOSE at UoN grounds  this Saturday?
> ps: Please come along with our per diems
> Via my Xperia
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[Abbas Mahmood]

David,
What do you mean by "Chapters should not meet to discuss finances?" How do you 
ensure that there's accountability?
Also, I think that everyone who has a company asset should declare it, and that 
a requisition form be made ASAP where interested users should fill it in and 
get approval (from the Board?). Who has the projectors? Who has the screens? 
Who has the banners? Who has the camera?
--Abbas.

Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 22:17:58 +0300
From: raidar...@gmail.com
To: wikimediake@lists.wikimedia.org
Subject: Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

Oscar,
Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the 
appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue and i 
can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.
Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared, 
there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start would 
be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here. 


This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being discussed 
underground. 
David.
On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:

HI Team,
IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following the 
recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost over 
2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters meeting to 
do a quick audit of our financials in an open way



THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as we 
stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to plan 
for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals.
Please Treasure make plans to avail the same.
I PROPOSE at UoN grounds  this Saturday?
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Re: [Wikimedia Kenya] URGENT MEETUP and WMKE Financials

[David Mugo]

Oscar,

Chapter should not meet to discuss finances, I do not think this is the
appropriate way to handle this. The board can meet and discuss this issue
and i can even join via Skype if it is proper hours for me.

Meanwhile, I have seen the statement that Steve (or was it Oscar? ) shared,
there are some things that require explanation and I think a good start
would be the board point any questions to Steve in this regard here.
This mailing list is public so no one should think anything is being
discussed underground.

David.
On Jul 18, 2012 3:11 PM, "Limoke Oscar"  wrote:

> HI Team,
>
> IN the absence of our Chair and in the interest of the Chapter following
> the recent financial saga with Wikimedia Spain financials where they lost
> over 2500USD Chapters funds, I would like to propose an urgent Chapters
> meeting to do a quick audit of our financials in an open way
> THE treasurer should get us our Statements of expenditures and accounts as
> we stand for half year in order to make plans for a new bank account and to
> plan for upcoming projects that need urgent member approvals.
>
> Please Treasure make plans to avail the same.
>
> I PROPOSE at UoN grounds  this Saturday?
>
> ps: Please come along with our per diems
>
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