Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Gordon Joly
At 23:40 +0100 13/9/09, Andrew Turvey wrote: >Hopefully it will be the kind of perk that will attract people who >are already active in the projects to become members. As to selling >at above cost, the Foundation wasn't too keen on that - worried that >we would develop into some kind of commerci

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
With only about 30 members the UK chapter is at a very early stage with a limited internal market. If you had 3,000 members you could get some economy of scale and order say 100 T shirts, but with a market of 30 you can expect the price per item to be exorbitant. Producing ties, mousemats, cufflin

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/14 WereSpielChequers : > With only about 30 members the UK chapter is at a very early stage > with a limited internal market. If you had 3,000 members you could get > some economy of scale and order say 100 T shirts, but with a market of > 30 you can expect the price per item to be exorbitan

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Brian McNeil
A restriction to "members-only merchandise" is wrong, doubly so with current low membership levels. When you're talking about a 10k+ member base, then I can see a point to members-exclusive merchandise; this complementing a range of items available to the wider public. I'm also against the 'at-cos

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/14 Brian McNeil : > I would take it as a given that this would be restricted to UK-only delivery > to avoid trading on the WMF's toes, or that of any other chapters. "Wikipedia" t-shirts should probably be UK-only. "Wikimedia UK" t-shirts may as well be global, although I'm not sure many pe

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Isabell Long
2009/9/14 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/9/14 Brian McNeil : >> I would take it as a given that this would be restricted to UK-only delivery >> to avoid trading on the WMF's toes, or that of any other chapters. > > "Wikipedia" t-shirts should probably be UK-only. "Wikimedia UK" > t-shirts may as well be gl

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread WereSpielChequers
Whilst mousemats and coffee mugs can be made to the same size, T shirts need to be made in multiple sizes. And despite what happen at Wikimania in Buenos Aires, that normally involves the complication of different garment sizes rather than just printing M, X, or XL on the same sized garment. If yo

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread brian . mcneil
> Subject: Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising > I'm not a fan of merchandising as part of a charities function. But if > it is done it should have the saving grace of having a sufficient > markup to help finance the organisation. Agreed. It isn't something you can do without seriously considering

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/14 WereSpielChequers : > I'm not a fan of merchandising as part of a charities function. But if > it is done it should have the saving grace of having a sufficient > markup to help finance the organisation. It's not a matter of being a fan or not - merchandising is not part of our function,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/14 Thomas Dalton : > 2009/9/14 WereSpielChequers : >> I'm not a fan of merchandising as part of a charities function. But if >> it is done it should have the saving grace of having a sufficient >> markup to help finance the organisation. > It's not a matter of being a fan or not - merchand

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Andrew Turvey
Thanks everyone for their responses. Back to the original questions: - what kind of thing would you, personally, be interested in buying or getting as a gift? Tshirts, mousemats, cufflinks? - how much would you be willing to spend? - what logos would you like? Wikipedia? WMUK, complete family? Di

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Andrew Turvey
The main monetary benefits of charity status are being able to reclaim Gift Aid on donations and reduced rates on expenses like room hire and paypal fees. These are far larger than any profit on T-shirt sales would ever be. Andrew On Sep 14, 9:34 am, Gordon Joly wrote: > At 23:40 +0100 13/9/09,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Andrew Turvey
On Sep 14, 11:37 am, WereSpielChequers wrote: > ... but with a market of > 30 you can expect the price per item to be exorbitant.   > WereSpielChequers Vistaprint, for instance, can do a single custom made double sided T shift for less than a tenner - of course the price comes down the more you o

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Andrew Turvey
Re-reading my original email and the reaction to it I should clarify: - "Andrew Turvey" wrote: > The plan is to sell them at cost price to members only. "Cost price" isn't a restriction from the Foundation - their main restriction is that it must be either sold only to members or given a

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/14 Andrew Turvey : > Discussions so far have focussed on very limited sales, order on > demand only. No one wants to spend lots of effort doing this, or > taking any significant levels of stock. I don't think it has any > potential to be a major source of funding so I don't suggest we go > d

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/9/14 Andrew Turvey : > Re-reading my original email and the reaction to it I should clarify: > > - "Andrew Turvey" wrote: >>  The plan is to sell them at cost price to members only. > > "Cost price" isn't a restriction from the Foundation - their main > restriction is that it must be eith

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread Jarry1250
> > A restriction to "members-only merchandise" is wrong, doubly so with current > low membership levels. When you're talking about a 10k+ member base, then I > can see a point to members-exclusive merchandise; this complementing a range > of items available to the wider public. I agree. The only t

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Merchandising

2009-09-14 Thread David Gerard
2009/9/14 Jarry1250 : > I agree. The only thing is to add really is that branded T-Shirts might > be good for WMUK people to wear at (informal) events where they > represent the friendly face of Wikipedia. Indeed. I actually need to get around to making a homemade Wikipedia shirt or two I can ke