Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-26 Thread Gordon Joly
At 15:52 + 23/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/3/23 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: It is important for a local authority or a registered charity to be prudent The regulators said there was nothing wrong with the Icelandic banks - I think going with what the regulators say is

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-26 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/26 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: At 15:52 + 23/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/3/23 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com:  It is important for a local authority or a registered charity to be prudent The regulators said there was nothing wrong with the Icelandic banks - I think

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/23 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: At 22:31 + 22/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/3/22 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com:  Also recall how local authorities got their fingers burned in Iceland... That wasn't due to risky investments, that was due to putting your money in a bank

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-23 Thread Gordon Joly
At 13:18 + 23/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/3/23 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: At 22:31 + 22/3/09, Thomas Dalton wrote: 2009/3/22 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: Also recall how local authorities got their fingers burned in Iceland... That wasn't due to risky investments,

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/23 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: It is important for a local authority or a registered charity to be prudent The regulators said there was nothing wrong with the Icelandic banks - I think going with what the regulators say is sufficient to satisfy the duty of care. Anyway, this

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-23 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/23 James Hardy wikimedi...@weeb.biz: regarding Registered Charity Status 2009/3/22 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com   It's not, but getting it soon is. You need an annual income of over £5000 to register, we're not likely to get that kind of money (or pledges for it) for several

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/22 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: Also recall how local authorities got their fingers burned in Iceland... That wasn't due to risky investments, that was due to putting your money in a bank that then went bust. Hardly their fault. ___

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-22 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/22 Gordon Joly gordon.j...@pobox.com: Why is registered charity status predicated on a successful Wikimania bid? It's not, but getting it soon is. You need an annual income of over £5000 to register, we're not likely to get that kind of money (or pledges for it) for several months at

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-20 Thread AndrewRT
On Mar 18, 11:39 pm, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: ... CC [Charity Commission] will almost certainly want written confirmation (unconditionally, that is - what we have at the moment is all conditional on us winning the bid) The CC application form

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-19 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/19 Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com: On Wed, Mar 18, 2009 at 2:53 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: If we win the bid, there are all kinds of legal stuff we'll have to sort out - if everything will be done through us (rather than WMF), which I think is likely, we

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Bimmler
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 2:38 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: Yes, I think WMF has handled it all in the past, but I think it might be easier if we do it. The WMF won't get the same charitable benefits that we do. Understood and I defer to the judgment of others on whether

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-19 Thread Michael Bimmler
On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.comwrote: In the UK, charities aren't legally allowed to take significant business risks. See, that's one of the points which I didn't know and I'd be interested in reading more about it. Is there guidance available on what

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-19 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/19 Michael Bimmler mbimm...@gmail.com: On Thu, Mar 19, 2009 at 3:16 PM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: In the UK, charities aren't legally allowed to take significant business risks. See, that's one of the points which I didn't know and I'd be interested in reading

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-19 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/19 Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com: If you really want to know all the ugly details (and don't say I didn't warn you!), see: http://www.charitycommission.gov.uk/publications/cc35.asp I've just been reading through that guidance again myself, and actually we might be ok. The

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-18 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/18 joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sw...@hotmail.co.uk: I think that making preparations for both drafting a complaint to HMRC and preparing an application to CC should start now. Even if the preparations are only minor. Delaying either by any real length of time could affect Wikimania

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-18 Thread AndrewRT
On Mar 18, 12:54 pm, joseph seddon life_is_bitter_sw...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: I think that making preparations for both drafting a complaint to HMRC and preparing an application to CC should start now. Even if the preparations are only minor. Delaying either by any real length of time could

Re: [Wikimediauk-l] Gift Aid update

2009-03-17 Thread Thomas Dalton
2009/3/17 Andrew Turvey ratur...@yahoo.co.uk: We are looking at options to complain about this situation and also options for accelerating the timescale for applying direct to the Charity Commission - which needs £5,000 of pledged income first. Give it a few weeks - if we win the Wikimania