Re: [Wikisource-l] Takedown of BUB book on Internet Archive

[Jane Darnell]

I discussed this at the Dutch wiki conference yesterday. If we really want to 
move in the direction of hosting PD works that are and can be quoted in WP 
articles, then we will need items per page, which in turn can imply paintings, 
engravings, or photos per page. This could drastically improve the wikisource 
reading experience while also enabling full support for “citation needed” where 
PD citations are available for the topic. we need a “.djvu on the fly” function 
for special books uploaded and curated on Commons and Wikidata. E.g. Book of 
hours, book of Maps, emblem books, bibles

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 9, 2019, at 10:04 AM, Sam Wilson  wrote:
> 
>> On 3/7/19 7:09 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:
>> Next, how do you use ABBY to convert a .PDF to .djvu?
> 
> I must admit I'm guilty of suggesting people just use PDFs, as it's so much 
> easier to explain! Does anyone have any suggestions about how to convince 
> people to prefer DjVu over PDF? It seems from the outside of the proofreading 
> process that there's no problem with PDF.
> 
> — Sam.
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Takedown of BUB book on Internet Archive

[Sam Wilson]

On 3/7/19 7:09 PM, Jane Darnell wrote:

Next, how do you use ABBY to convert a .PDF to .djvu?


I must admit I'm guilty of suggesting people just use PDFs, as it's so 
much easier to explain! Does anyone have any suggestions about how to 
convince people to prefer DjVu over PDF? It seems from the outside of 
the proofreading process that there's no problem with PDF.


— Sam.

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Takedown of BUB book on Internet Archive

[Jane Darnell]

Thanks for all the links! Yes I have been using IA-upload quite happily,
though it took me a while to figure out the time lag. I assumed there would
be other copies, but 17 is a lot. I wish there was a way to find out which
is the best copy to upload to Commons - we should have at least one for
everything that exists on archive.org in, say, over 4 copies. Another
generic question I had about Commons .djvu files was why these can't by
default show up in Wikisource on a simple index page if the .djvu files are
linked from Wikidata items as being instance of a book, with a statement
link to Commons file and a statement link to the author's Wikidata item,
which in turn is linked to Wikisource author id.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 1:27 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) 
wrote:

> Jane Darnell, 07/03/19 13:09:
> > Thanks for this thread, guys, super interesting! Where can I subscribe
> > to these notices ?
>
> The notices go to the email address of the account which uploaded to
> archive.org, in this case BUB's email.
>
> > I have never received an email from archive.org
> > .
>
> I've not had one in many years either. Publishers are getting more
> aggressive these days:
> <
> https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/jan/22/internet-archives-ebook-loans-face-uk-copyright-challenge
> >
>
> > Also, how do you download from Google books (I
> > have downloaded google .djvu files from archive.org 
>
> > before, but the OCR tends to be pretty lousy).
>
> This specific book was uploaded with 
> when it still worked.
>
> > Next, how do you use ABBY
> > to convert a .PDF to .djvu?
>
> I'm not sure I'd recommend ABBYY for the DjVu creation. I've recently
> updated the instructions
> , switching them to a
> focus on image quality rather than compression. Some simple tweak in the
> command line has a huge impact.
>
> > Lastly, if the counter notice doesn't work,
>
> The counter-notice probably works but I don't want to flood the IA with
> extra work in case these takedowns become more frequent. I've sent this
> example to the list to see if it makes sense or we should just drop it
> in this case. The takedowns are handled by IA staffers in a rather
> manual way, I think, so I'm not sure how many they can sustain.
>
> (There's also the possibility that the upload was wrong and the book at
> that URL is not actually the PD book found on Google Books but something
> else entirely. It has happened a time or two in the past that I know of.)
>
> > can't you just re-upload another version?
>
> Sure, in fact there are already 17 more. :-D
> <
> https://archive.org/search.php?query=%22a%20manual%20of%20ancient%20history%22%20rawlinson
> >
>
> But better play nice, no need to dodge the counter-ticket process.
>
> > I agree though that we should
> > be uploading these files to Commons, and I do this for the ones I care
> > about, just to be on the safe side.
>
> Definitely, and this should be easy enough with IA-upload after the
> recent fixes: .
>
> There is no need to panic and transfer millions of books now!
>
> Federico
>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Takedown of BUB book on Internet Archive

[Federico Leva (Nemo)]

Jane Darnell, 07/03/19 13:09:
Thanks for this thread, guys, super interesting! Where can I subscribe 
to these notices ? 


The notices go to the email address of the account which uploaded to 
archive.org, in this case BUB's email.


I have never received an email from archive.org 
. 


I've not had one in many years either. Publishers are getting more 
aggressive these days:



Also, how do you download from Google books (I 
have downloaded google .djvu files from archive.org  
before, but the OCR tends to be pretty lousy). 


This specific book was uploaded with  
when it still worked.


Next, how do you use ABBY 
to convert a .PDF to .djvu? 


I'm not sure I'd recommend ABBYY for the DjVu creation. I've recently 
updated the instructions 
, switching them to a 
focus on image quality rather than compression. Some simple tweak in the 
command line has a huge impact.


Lastly, if the counter notice doesn't work, 


The counter-notice probably works but I don't want to flood the IA with 
extra work in case these takedowns become more frequent. I've sent this 
example to the list to see if it makes sense or we should just drop it 
in this case. The takedowns are handled by IA staffers in a rather 
manual way, I think, so I'm not sure how many they can sustain.


(There's also the possibility that the upload was wrong and the book at 
that URL is not actually the PD book found on Google Books but something 
else entirely. It has happened a time or two in the past that I know of.)


can't you just re-upload another version? 


Sure, in fact there are already 17 more. :-D


But better play nice, no need to dodge the counter-ticket process.

I agree though that we should 
be uploading these files to Commons, and I do this for the ones I care 
about, just to be on the safe side.


Definitely, and this should be easy enough with IA-upload after the 
recent fixes: .


There is no need to panic and transfer millions of books now!

Federico

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Re: [Wikisource-l] Takedown of BUB book on Internet Archive

[Jane Darnell]

Thanks for this thread, guys, super interesting! Where can I subscribe to
these notices ? I have never received an email from archive.org. Also, how
do you download from Google books (I have downloaded google .djvu files
from archive.org before, but the OCR tends to be pretty lousy). Next, how
do you use ABBY to convert a .PDF to .djvu? Lastly, if the counter notice
doesn't work, can't you just re-upload another version? I agree though that
we should be uploading these files to Commons, and I do this for the ones I
care about, just to be on the safe side.

On Thu, Mar 7, 2019 at 8:58 AM Nicolas VIGNERON 
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Just write a counter-notice and the book should be back soon (provided
> that the notice is just cyber-law-bullying and that there is no other
> underlying issue).
>
> Cheers, ~nicolas
>
> Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 00:20, Luiz Augusto  a écrit :
>
>> The funniest thing is that the very same digitization is still available
>> on Google Book Search (just downloaded the PDF version) and the same title
>> is available on dozens of records at the HathiTrust consortium [1].
>>
>> Are some volunteers of Internet Archive lazy to research basic things on
>> copyright as some of the volunteers of Wikimedia Commons?
>>
>> If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to convert this file to djvu and
>> upload to the Wikimedia Commons using my local copy of ABBYY.
>>
>> [1]
>> https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5D=a%20manual%20of%20ancient%20history&bool%5B%5D=AND&type%5B%5D=author&lookfor%5B%5D=Rawlinson&page=1&pagesize=20&ft=ft
>>
>> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:39 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Seriously, a takedown for a 1870 book by an author died in 1902?
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rawlinson
>>> https://books.google.com/books?id=5mwTYAAJ
>>>
>>> Federico
>>>
>>>   Messaggio inoltrato 
>>> Oggetto: archive.org item disabled
>>> Data: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 17:30:31 -0500
>>> Mittente: Internet Archive
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>> Access to the following item has been disabled following receipt by
>>> Internet Archive of a copyright claim issued by The Publishers
>>> Association:
>>>
>>> https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_5mwTYAAJ
>>>
>>> Some general information about take down notices and processes may be
>>> found at https://lumendatabase.org, including information about
>>> submitting a counter-notice, if applicable:
>>>
>>> https://lumendatabase.org/topics/29
>>> https://lumendatabase.org/topics/14
>>>
>>> The Internet Archive provides these links as a potential resource and
>>> cannot guarantee that any specific information posted at
>>> lumendatabase.org is accurate or complete.
>>>
>>> The Internet Archive Terms of Use, including our Copyright Policy, are
>>> posted at https://archive.org/about/terms.php.
>>>
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>>> the disabling of a user’s account.
>>>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Takedown of BUB book on Internet Archive

[Nicolas VIGNERON]

Hi,

Just write a counter-notice and the book should be back soon (provided that
the notice is just cyber-law-bullying and that there is no other underlying
issue).

Cheers, ~nicolas

Le jeu. 7 mars 2019 à 00:20, Luiz Augusto  a écrit :

> The funniest thing is that the very same digitization is still available
> on Google Book Search (just downloaded the PDF version) and the same title
> is available on dozens of records at the HathiTrust consortium [1].
>
> Are some volunteers of Internet Archive lazy to research basic things on
> copyright as some of the volunteers of Wikimedia Commons?
>
> If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to convert this file to djvu and
> upload to the Wikimedia Commons using my local copy of ABBYY.
>
> [1]
> https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5D=a%20manual%20of%20ancient%20history&bool%5B%5D=AND&type%5B%5D=author&lookfor%5B%5D=Rawlinson&page=1&pagesize=20&ft=ft
>
> On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:39 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) 
> wrote:
>
>> Seriously, a takedown for a 1870 book by an author died in 1902?
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rawlinson
>> https://books.google.com/books?id=5mwTYAAJ
>>
>> Federico
>>
>>   Messaggio inoltrato 
>> Oggetto: archive.org item disabled
>> Data: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 17:30:31 -0500
>> Mittente: Internet Archive
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> Access to the following item has been disabled following receipt by
>> Internet Archive of a copyright claim issued by The Publishers
>> Association:
>>
>> https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_5mwTYAAJ
>>
>> Some general information about take down notices and processes may be
>> found at https://lumendatabase.org, including information about
>> submitting a counter-notice, if applicable:
>>
>> https://lumendatabase.org/topics/29
>> https://lumendatabase.org/topics/14
>>
>> The Internet Archive provides these links as a potential resource and
>> cannot guarantee that any specific information posted at
>> lumendatabase.org is accurate or complete.
>>
>> The Internet Archive Terms of Use, including our Copyright Policy, are
>> posted at https://archive.org/about/terms.php.
>>
>> As a general note: repeated posting of infringing material may result in
>> the disabling of a user’s account.
>>
>> ---
>> The Internet Archive Team
>>
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Re: [Wikisource-l] Takedown of BUB book on Internet Archive

[Luiz Augusto]

The funniest thing is that the very same digitization is still available on
Google Book Search (just downloaded the PDF version) and the same title is
available on dozens of records at the HathiTrust consortium [1].

Are some volunteers of Internet Archive lazy to research basic things on
copyright as some of the volunteers of Wikimedia Commons?

If anyone is interested, I'll be glad to convert this file to djvu and
upload to the Wikimedia Commons using my local copy of ABBYY.

[1]
https://catalog.hathitrust.org/Search/Home?type%5B%5D=title&lookfor%5B%5D=a%20manual%20of%20ancient%20history&bool%5B%5D=AND&type%5B%5D=author&lookfor%5B%5D=Rawlinson&page=1&pagesize=20&ft=ft

On Wed, Mar 6, 2019 at 7:39 PM Federico Leva (Nemo) 
wrote:

> Seriously, a takedown for a 1870 book by an author died in 1902?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Rawlinson
> https://books.google.com/books?id=5mwTYAAJ
>
> Federico
>
>   Messaggio inoltrato 
> Oggetto: archive.org item disabled
> Data: Wed, 6 Mar 2019 17:30:31 -0500
> Mittente: Internet Archive
>
> Hello,
>
> Access to the following item has been disabled following receipt by
> Internet Archive of a copyright claim issued by The Publishers Association:
>
> https://archive.org/details/bub_gb_5mwTYAAJ
>
> Some general information about take down notices and processes may be
> found at https://lumendatabase.org, including information about
> submitting a counter-notice, if applicable:
>
> https://lumendatabase.org/topics/29
> https://lumendatabase.org/topics/14
>
> The Internet Archive provides these links as a potential resource and
> cannot guarantee that any specific information posted at
> lumendatabase.org is accurate or complete.
>
> The Internet Archive Terms of Use, including our Copyright Policy, are
> posted at https://archive.org/about/terms.php.
>
> As a general note: repeated posting of infringing material may result in
> the disabling of a user’s account.
>
> ---
> The Internet Archive Team
>
>
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