* Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org [Wed, 29 Dec 2010 14:40:13
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Thanks... I know this is a provocative question but I meant it just as
it was stated, nothing more, nothing less. For better or worse my
history with the foundation is too short to know the answers to these
questions.
On 12/29/10 7:26 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
OK, if you want a real answer: I think if you could convince admins to
be nicer to people, then that would make a bigger impact to
Wikipedia's long-term viability than any ease-of-editing feature.
Making editing easier will give you a one-off jump in
2010/12/30 Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org
On 12/29/10 7:26 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
Making editing easier could actually be counterproductive. If we let
more people past the editing interface barrier before we fix our
social problems, [...]
This is an interesting insight!
Yes
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 9:58 PM, Neil Kandalgaonkar ne...@wikimedia.org wrote:
Question: assuming that our primary interest is creating software for
Wikipedia and similar WMF projects, do we actually get anything from the
Windows PC intranet users that offsets the cost of keeping MediaWiki
Tim Starling wrote:
OK, if you want a real answer: I think if you could convince admins to
be nicer to people, then that would make a bigger impact to
Wikipedia's long-term viability than any ease-of-editing feature.
Making editing easier will give you a one-off jump in editing
statistics, it
I just asked Dreamhost if they would give me permission to violate
their TOS for this one time one file. Barring that, I'd need
somewhere to upload or scp it to (any volunteers?), or if you're in
the US either an 8 gig (5 gig or more) USB drive and self-addressed
stamped envelope, or about $12 or
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
I just asked Dreamhost if they would give me permission to violate
their TOS for this one time one file.
And the person who responded just told me that he's not authorized to
give me permission to do that.
So, any volunteers to
On 30 December 2010 00:27, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote:
You could even compete by
putting up a better editing interface, conceivably, although auth
would be tricky to work out.
You know, this is something that would be extremely easy to experiment
with right now,
On
On 30 December 2010 11:06, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Tim Starling wrote:
OK, if you want a real answer: I think if you could convince admins to
be nicer to people, then that would make a bigger impact to
Wikipedia's long-term viability than any ease-of-editing feature.
Making
On 30 December 2010 09:07, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 30 December 2010 11:06, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote:
Tim Starling wrote:
OK, if you want a real answer: I think if you could convince admins to
be nicer to people, then that would make a bigger impact to
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
I just asked Dreamhost if they would give me permission to violate
their TOS for this one time one file.
And the person who responded just told me that he's
Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
I have been thinking along these lines too, although in a more haphazard
way.
At some point, if we believe our community is our greatest asset, we
have to think of Wikipedia as infrastructure not only for creating high
quality articles, but also for generating
Ryan Kaldari wrote:
Actually, I would implement hot articles per WikiProject. So, for
example, you could see the 5 articles under WikiProject Arthropods that
had been edited the most in the past week. That should scale well. In
fact, I would probably redesign Wikipedia to be
On 12/30/10 10:24 AM, Platonides wrote:
Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
At some point, if we believe our community is our greatest asset, we
have to think of Wikipedia as infrastructure not only for creating high
quality articles, but also for generating and sustaining a high quality
editing
Blog post on this topic:
http://davidgerard.co.uk/notes/2010/12/30/how-does-a-project-bite-only-the-proper-number-of-newbies/
- d.
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On 12/29/2010 2:31 AM, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
Let's imagine you wanted to start a rival to Wikipedia. Assume that you
are motivated by money, and that venture capitalists promise you can be
paid gazillions of dollars if you can do one, or many, of the following:
Ok, first of all you
With open source software, there are people who think “that’s dumb,” there are
people who think “I want to see it fixed” and there are people who think “I
can do something about it.” The people at the intersection of all three
power open source.
A lot of people in the open source project Y
On Wed, Dec 29, 2010 at 10:26 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote:
I think there are things we can do in software to help de-escalate
this conflict between established editors and new editors.
One thing we can do is to reduce the sense of urgency. Further
deployment of FlaggedRevs
On 12/29/2010 10:26 PM, Tim Starling wrote:
On 29/12/10 18:31, Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
I've been inspired by the discussion David Gerard and Brion Vibber
kicked off, and I think they are headed in the right direction.
But I just want to ask a separate, but related question.
Let's imagine
Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
On 12/30/10 10:24 AM, Platonides wrote:
Neil Kandalgaonkar wrote:
At some point, if we believe our community is our greatest asset, we
have to think of Wikipedia as infrastructure not only for creating high
quality articles, but also for generating and sustaining a
That is true - We can't do away with Wikitext always been the
intermediate conclusion (in between My god, we need to do something
about this problem and This is hopeless, we give up again).
between wikitext and WYSISWYG is a simple solution of colourizing text
like for hundreds of programing
Aryeh Gregor wrote:
We could also try to work out ways to make adminship less important.
If protection, blocking, and deletion could be made less necessary and
important in day-to-day editing, that would reduce the importance of
admins and reduce the difference between established and new
Alex wrote:
One thing that I think could help, at least on the English Wikipedia,
would be to further restrict new article creation. Right now, any
registered user can create a new article, and according to some
statistics I gathered a few months ago[1], almost 25% of new users make
their
masti wrote:
That is true - We can't do away with Wikitext always been the
intermediate conclusion (in between My god, we need to do something
about this problem and This is hopeless, we give up again).
between wikitext and WYSISWYG is a simple solution of colourizing text
like for
masti wrote:
That is true - We can't do away with Wikitext always been the
intermediate conclusion (in between My god, we need to do something
about this problem and This is hopeless, we give up again).
between wikitext and WYSISWYG is a simple solution of colourizing text
like for
On 12/31/2010 01:02 AM, Platonides wrote:
There's an extension to 'delete' pages by blanking. I find that approach
much more wiki.
if you like to be blocked for blanking ...
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On 31 December 2010 00:02, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
There's an extension to 'delete' pages by blanking. I find that approach
much more wiki.
Pure wiki deletion is a perennial proposal. One problem is that
there doesn't appear to be a wiki anywhere that actually uses it, or
ever
Looking over the thread, there are lots of good ideas. Its really
important to have some plan towards cleaning up abstractions between
structured data, procedures in representation, visual
representation and tools for participation.
But, I think its correct to identify the social aspects of the
On 12/30/10 3:33 PM, Platonides wrote:
But you're right; they can't be everywhere, so maybe there should be a
guidelines page on design principles. We have WP:CIVILITY, do we have
similar guidelines for software developers, on how to make it easy for
the community to be civil?
I'm lost
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:07 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
There is some discussion of how the community and ArbCom enable
grossly antisocial behaviour on internal-l at present. Admin behaviour
is enforced by the ArbCom, and the AC member on internal-l has mostly
been evasive.
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 9:38 PM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
I just asked Dreamhost if they would give me permission to violate
their TOS for this one time one file. Barring that, I'd need
somewhere to upload or scp it to (any volunteers?), or if you're in
the US either an 8 gig (5 gig
You are so nice, thank you very much!!
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 1:09 AM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
I just asked Dreamhost if they would give me
On 31 December 2010 00:08, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote:
On 31 December 2010 00:02, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote:
There's an extension to 'delete' pages by blanking. I find that approach
much more wiki.
Pure wiki deletion is a perennial proposal. One problem is that
there
Hello,
I have been a WP editor since 2006. I hope you can help me. For some reason
I no longer have Section Heading titles showing in the Articles. This is
true of all Headings including the one that carries the Article subject's
name. When there is a Table of Contents, it appears fine and, when
You can place it on my server, will give you the details inn private
2010/12/30, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org:
On Thu, Dec 30, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Anthony wikim...@inbox.org wrote:
I just asked Dreamhost if they would give me permission to violate
their TOS for this one time one file.
And the
Okay, I emailed to Anthony how he can upload it.
after he is done the content will be at: http://dump.huiblaurens.nl
When the date is online I will make sure I have a copy of it somewhere else
on a server so it won't get lost.
Best,
Huib
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OK, I'll continuously check it :）
Thanks all!!
Happy new year to all!!
On Fri, Dec 31, 2010 at 2:47 PM, Huib Laurens sterke...@gmail.com wrote:
Okay, I emailed to Anthony how he can upload it.
after he is done the content will be at: http://dump.huiblaurens.nl
When the date is online I
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