Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:46 AM, Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com wrote: So maybe we can paste these 5 steps (or something similar) in the initial form used to file a bugreport. This would increase the quality of bugreports and make it easier for bug triaging. Increase the quality

Re: [Wikitech-l] Patch catch-up: bug 23817 fixes committed

2011-02-14 Thread Bryan Tong Minh
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 12:15 AM, Brion Vibber br...@pobox.com wrote: To start out with catching up on patch review, I took a look over and applied the patches on bug 23817, fixing wfObjectToArray() and FormatJson for a case that broke certain parts of ForeignAPIRepo when PHP's native JSON

Re: [Wikitech-l] secure.wikimedia.org commons sockpuppet site

2011-02-14 Thread Roan Kattouw
2011/2/13 Ville Stadista ville.stadi...@gmail.com: Currently, if you login on secure you are not logged-in on the unencrypted site, even if I allow setting third party cookies in the browser settings. I assume the login session is common to both unencrypted and encrypted, so would it be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Code Review going forward

2011-02-14 Thread Roan Kattouw
2011/2/13 Mark A. Hershberger mhershber...@wikimedia.org: Right.  And while I think your suggestion of assigning 7 developers a day to do reviews could work, what if we divide the code into different areas?  From looking at the sub-directories under includes/ I would suggest a different person

Re: [Wikitech-l] Switch mediawikiwiki to 1.17wmf1

2011-02-14 Thread Roan Kattouw
2011/2/13 MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com: As I recall, it wasn't part of the first set of guinea pigs in case something went horribly wrong and broke the site. Because mediawiki.org has the code review tools, having mediawiki.org down when people are trying to fix deployment problems would

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making code review happen in 1.18

2011-02-14 Thread Roan Kattouw
2011/2/13 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com: I agree... a bit. We should branch 1.18wmf1 immediately from trunk once things have calmed down a bit. However, this 1.18wmf1 does not necessarily need to be the base for 1.18. We can branch 1.18wmf2 from trunk again and so on, until the time

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread Diederik van Liere
I am not following this line of reasoning: how can adding guidance / instructions on how to write a good bug report turn people away? In a previous life, I have studied the factors that shorten the time required to fix a big. Bugreports that contain steps to reproduce are a significant predictor

Re: [Wikitech-l] Migrating to GIT (extensions)

2011-02-14 Thread Diederik van Liere
If I am not mistaken then mercurial has better support for highly modularized open source software projects. You can use a  mercurial subrepository (which is very similar to svn external and git submodule). According to their manual: Subrepositories is a feature that allows you to treat a

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2011/2/14 Diederik van Liere dvanli...@gmail.com: I am not following this line of reasoning: how can adding guidance / instructions on how to write a good bug report turn people away? It's very simple, really: a form with a lot of fields may turn people away. I know that it turns me away. How

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread Diederik van Liere
Maybe i am not expressing myself clear, i am not talking about adding checkboxes, radiobuttons or pulldown menus, I am saying that we could add the following text to the textarea field which contains the actual bugreport: Please describe the steps to take to reproduce the problem: What is the

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread David Gerard
On 14 February 2011 04:16, Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: Actually our users could be anyone who reads Wikipedia and notices there's something wrong with what MediaWiki is doing or thinks there is something about the ui we need to fix. A few of these come into OTRS,

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread Dmitriy Sintsov
* Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com [Sun, 13 Feb 2011 20:16:53 -0800]: Actually our users could be anyone who reads Wikipedia and notices there's something wrong with what MediaWiki is doing or thinks there is something about the ui we need to fix. They don't even have to be as

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread phoebe ayers
On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 5:28 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: Mark A. Hershberger wrote: Perhaps we could recruit some people from the he.wikipedia.org community to take problems reported (via the localized interface?) and reproduce them or act as a translator between developers and

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making code review happen in 1.18

2011-02-14 Thread Jay Ashworth
- Original Message - From: Jeroen De Dauw jeroended...@gmail.com +1 to migrate to a DVCS Unless I'm mistaken no one has actually suggested doing that. 0 + 1 = 1, right? :-) Cheers, -- jra ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Making code review happen in 1.18

2011-02-14 Thread Roan Kattouw
2011/2/14 Mark A. Hershberger mhershber...@wikimedia.org: If we have a 1.18 branch that is, as Brion has noted (and supported), a day or two behind trunk at most, is there a reason that the we couldn't branch wmfN from the rolling 1.18 branch?  Or even just tag it when we wanted to mark a WMF

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com writes: Fascinating! I didn't know this existed either. To answer Mark's question, I'm interested in facilitating more user participation in bug-collecting. Using Bugzilla confuses the heck out of me, but mostly because I don't do it very often! Bugzilla is

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread Chad
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:48 PM, Mark A. Hershberger mhershber...@wikimedia.org wrote: Bugzilla is a huge impediment to problem reporting for lay people.  Even technically trained ones, like myself, look at the UI and groan.  I want to do as much as possible to make problem reporting easier

Re: [Wikitech-l] Migrating to GIT (extensions)

2011-02-14 Thread Trevor Parscal
On Feb 14, 2011, at 9:42 AM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: This is one reason I avoided suggesting that we switch to a DVCS for 1.18: The change is too big and dramatic and would impede too many people's workflows without offering an immediate improvement. Mark. I'm not sure how much worse it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Migrating to GIT (extensions)

2011-02-14 Thread Aryeh Gregor
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:18 AM, Siebrand Mazeland s.mazel...@xs4all.nl wrote: With regards to i18n support it is not clear to me how translatewiki staff would deal with 100+1 commits to different repo's every day if core and extensions would each be in individual repos. Can you please explain

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread MZMcBride
David Gerard wrote: On 14 February 2011 17:40, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: If you don't know what version you're using, the bug report will be next to useless, particularly if it's fire and forget. Any bug system has to capture everything possible, obviously. Including private or

[Wikitech-l] Simple Search Simplification

2011-02-14 Thread Trevor Parscal
I was working on fixing https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=27332 (resolved in r82155) and started messing with removing most of the gratuitous lines in the search UI. Here's a screenshot of what we could do instead. I have a patch for this that works in all browsers, including IE6.

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread MZMcBride
phoebe ayers wrote: There are many good ideas in this list. I have one small idea re: bugzilla -- is it possible to make browsing bugs more transparent (like a link on the sidebar)? I only just discovered that it's possible to look at bugs by category, component or keyword rather than search,

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread Chad
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 8:01 PM, MZMcBride z...@mzmcbride.com wrote: I don't think there's going to be any magical set of configuration changes to make Bugzilla less horrible, but it's certainly worth a shot. Neither do I, Bugzilla is always going to suck. Maybe we can make it suck a little

Re: [Wikitech-l] Simple Search Simplification

2011-02-14 Thread Brandon Harris
I agree. I think that the search box needs to be distinct and obvious as a control; this change blends it into the background too much. Since search is one of our most important features, it should stand out and be easier to target visually, not less. On 2/14/11 6:27 PM,

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread Brion Vibber
On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Leo diebu...@gmail.com wrote: One thing that bugged me a while: Why does the bz robots.txt deny any bots? I think having it indexed by google co would'nt exactly make searching harder. Bugzilla actually ships with a default robots.txt that denies everything,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Status of mobile site rewrite

2011-02-14 Thread Tomasz Finc
On Feb 11, 2011, at 8:36 AM, MZMcBride wrote: Hi. There are a few open bugs about adding mobile site support to a specific Wikimedia wiki. For example, bug 27290 is about creating a mobile main page for fa.m.wikipedia.org.[1] What's the status of the mobile site / mobile site

Re: [Wikitech-l] How users without programming skills can help

2011-02-14 Thread K. Peachey
On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:44 AM, Leo diebu...@gmail.com wrote: One thing that bugged me a while: Why does the bz robots.txt deny any bots? I think having it indexed by google co would'nt exactly make searching harder. Leo Probably because historically you couldn't hide email addresses from

Re: [Wikitech-l] categorisation issues in dumps

2011-02-14 Thread Anthony Ventresque (Dr)
Thanks for your help, it indeed works. From: wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org [wikitech-l-boun...@lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Platonides [platoni...@gmail.com] Sent: 09 February 2011 05:32 To: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org Subject: Re:

[Wikitech-l] strange page id numbering

2011-02-14 Thread Anthony Ventresque (Dr)
Hi, I've found something strange in some files. The maximum ids for a page are: latest pages-articles.xml: 29189922 page.sql: 28707562 categorylinks.sql: 28705949 (15,684 categories and 135,521 articles are missing) 2011-01-15 pages-articles.xml: 30492297