Re: [Wikitech-l] Socializing changes

2013-04-08 Thread Amir E. Aharoni
2013/4/8 Risker risker...@gmail.com: Eran raises a key point. On his project, there was a significant discussion prior to the deployment. Hewiki has voluntarily, as a community, decided to participate in the early development of a tool. This is a very good thing, and one that reflects well

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report

2013-04-08 Thread Andre Klapper
On Mon, 2013-04-08 at 03:00 +, reporter wrote: MediaWiki Bugzilla Report for April 01, 2013 - April 08, 2013 Most urgent open issues The list is still not reliable (it includes closed tickets) though in testing last week it worked well. Pretty baffled. I'm sorry. andre -- Andre Klapper

Re: [Wikitech-l] Socializing changes

2013-04-08 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 04/06/2013 09:16 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: By the way, it would be lovely not to call communication like nationalization... sometimes I see people coming to communities saying they're socializing something and it feels weird. ;-) (Especially as it's false good news.)

Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards

2013-04-08 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 04/07/2013 02:52 PM, Max Semenik wrote: On 07.04.2013, 20:11 Paul wrote: Indeed. We have a Universal Language Selector for 3rd party websites already. This one would be super-duper great. This is where Wikidata can play its part as well! As for images, we have already a PageImages

Re: [Wikitech-l] Socializing changes

2013-04-08 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Sumana Harihareswara, 08/04/2013 14:36: Nemo, I have sympathy for you here -- it took a while for me to get used to the use of socialize in the way the Wikimedia communities use it. Not communities, the WMF. I think socializing is more than just communication implies, though;

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report

2013-04-08 Thread Željko Filipin
On Thu, Apr 4, 2013 at 6:57 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Somewhere near http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**Community_metricshttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Community_metricswould be good. Done: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla_Weekly_Report Željko

Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report

2013-04-08 Thread Željko Filipin
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 5:00 AM, reporter repor...@kaulen.wikimedia.orgwrote: MediaWiki Bugzilla Report for April 01, 2013 - April 08, 2013 Charts are visible here: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Bugzilla_Weekly_Report Željko ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Apr 8, 2013 12:11 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: As I've indicated very early in this thread, Phase 2 affects an area of English Wikipedia that is already under considerable dispute (i.e., infoboxes); requests for comment (RFCs) were already being drafted before this deployment was

[Wikitech-l] A (21) day in the Labs

2013-04-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
TronGreetings, Programs!/Tron So, not many updates for a while, as things have been progressing at a fair clip in the oh, my god boring gruntwork front. The biggest news is the addition of Petr Bena to the tools project sysadmin team as its first volunteer. Petr has been very involved in the

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.21.0rc1 -- Help test 1.21 and update the announcement

2013-04-08 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
On 04/01/2013 04:30 PM, Quim Gil wrote: Does it still make sense to have the testing week on April 15-21? Yes, Let us do it then. I'm about to release RC2, but it doesn't include a fix for at least one problem that was discovered in RC1. I'll release RC3 next week -- hopefully with the

[Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.21rc2 -- More 1.21 testing

2013-04-08 Thread Mark A. Hershberger
It is time again for a new MediaWiki release candidate. Since last week, patches to fix the following bugs were included in the tarball: Bug 46719: Remove link to Special:ActiveUsers from Special:Statistics Bug 46493: Handle invalid titles on ProtectedPages and ProtectedTitles Bug 46787: API:

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Toolserver-l] A (21) day in the Labs

2013-04-08 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 04/08/2013 10:30 AM, Marc A. Pelletier wrote: The database replication is also well on its way; you can find the current roadmap at: https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Tool_Labs/Database_plan Thank you for the update, Marc-Andre. I see in the database plan: Review schema, generate

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Risker
On 8 April 2013 09:20, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Apr 8, 2013 12:11 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: As I've indicated very early in this thread, Phase 2 affects an area of English Wikipedia that is already under considerable dispute (i.e., infoboxes); requests for

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Toolserver-l] A (21) day in the Labs

2013-04-08 Thread Marc A. Pelletier
On 04/08/2013 12:13 PM, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: Since those dates are now in the past :-) can you help provide new estimated times of arrival? Thanks! I think those dates are in the past because those bits are complete. :-) As far as I know, we're still on track. -- Marc

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think it is particularly obvious outside of our project the way that Wikidata is being weaponized as the reason for attempting to force changes in local consensus about infoboxes (their existence and content) with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] French homeland intelligence threatens a volunteer sysop to delete a Wikipedia Article

2013-04-08 Thread Chris Steipp
On Sat, Apr 6, 2013 at 7:02 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Apr 6, 2013 9:05 PM, Jay Ashworth j...@baylink.com wrote: In case y'all missed this: Subject: [ PRIVACY Forum ] French homeland intelligence threatens a volunteer sysop to delete a Wikipedia Article French

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] French homeland intelligence threatens a volunteer sysop to delete a Wikipedia Article

2013-04-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 April 2013 18:21, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: Technical measures to prevent this could be interesting though. Requiring that actions like delete be first nominated by another admin in a different jurisdiction could be an interesting feature, although probably totally

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] French homeland intelligence threatens a volunteer sysop to delete a Wikipedia Article

2013-04-08 Thread Tyler Romeo
Not that it's wikitech related, but please tell me the article was undeleted. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] French homeland intelligence threatens a volunteer sysop to delete a Wikipedia Article

2013-04-08 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Mon, 08 Apr 2013 19:33:01 +0200, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Not that it's wikitech related, but please tell me the article was undeleted. It was, and I think it was the most viewed one on fr.wiki yesterday (or two days ago). -- Matma Rex

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: [ PRIVACY Forum ] French homeland intelligence threatens a volunteer sysop to delete a Wikipedia Article

2013-04-08 Thread Thomas Dalton
On 8 April 2013 18:33, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Not that it's wikitech related, but please tell me the article was undeleted. Undeleted and then promptly translated into a dozen new languages! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 April 2013 17:51, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: Personally, I don't consider that people making spurious arguments based on the existence of wikidata is a problem with the planned wikidata phase 2 deployment. Indeed. This is sheer bikeshedding. - d.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Risker
On 8 April 2013 12:51, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think it is particularly obvious outside of our project the way that Wikidata is being weaponized as the reason for attempting to force changes in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 6:51 PM, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think it is particularly obvious outside of our project the way that Wikidata is being weaponized as the reason for attempting to force changes

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: It's disturbing that even at the same time as the engineering and operations departments are working so hard to professionalize their work, to bring themselves up to industry standards, to properly staff themselves with people

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Brad Jorsch
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 1:59 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2013 12:51, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think it is particularly obvious outside of our project the way that Wikidata is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
(Volunteer with no Wikidata association apart from a couple of edits.) Risker, while I see your point, and I agree that the deployment cycle is maybe just a little too rapid (give the editors some time to update their help pages ;) ), then your last mail is both unfair and untrue. Most of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Lydia Pintscher
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:46 PM, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: In my experience the Wikidata team has been extremely professional and amazingly productive, both in the quality and quantity of their creations. I was honestly surprised that it's possible to get something

Re: [Wikitech-l] whatcanidoforwikipedia.org

2013-04-08 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 04/07/2013 08:20 AM, Yury Katkov wrote: Yuvi, that's great project of you! What do you think about adding not only languages but also technologies? For example if you know Semantic Web technologies (RDF and SPARQL) you can help Semantic MediaWiki. And/or Wikidata. Matt Flaschen

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2013 12:51, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I do not think it is particularly obvious outside of our project the way that

[Wikitech-l] Adding messages to cache for wfMessage() at runtime

2013-04-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
Hi, I need to use the localization framework - wfMessage() to translate my own custom messages. I have a message dictionary in the form of {languageCode = message, ...}, and looking for a way to inject those messages into the message cache. The actual messages dictionary is stored as a custom

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding messages to cache for wfMessage() at runtime

2013-04-08 Thread Matthew Walker
I have a message dictionary in the form of {languageCode = message, ...}, and looking for a way to inject those messages into the message cache. My immediate reaction was to suggest that you create wikipages of all the messages. But I'm guessing this is for Zero and you can't have those

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding messages to cache for wfMessage() at runtime

2013-04-08 Thread Chad
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:05 PM, Yuri Astrakhan yastrak...@wikimedia.org wrote: // Some magic method to add the entire message map into message cache messageCache-Add('custom-key1', $messageMap); So, we used to have a $messagecache-add(), but it was removed after a very very long deprecation.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding messages to cache for wfMessage() at runtime

2013-04-08 Thread Yuri Astrakhan
So, we used to have a $messagecache-add(), but it was removed after a very very long deprecation. Just when I was about to use it :) I basically look for this functionality: * Figure out which localized string to use for language X, in case there is no message in X. Something like use

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding messages to cache for wfMessage() at runtime

2013-04-08 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 04/08/2013 03:21 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: * Figure out which localized string to use for language X, in case there is no message in X. Something like use Russian if Belarusian message is not available. I remember this was present in pywiki framework, and suspect mediawiki has it somewhere.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread phoebe ayers
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:03 PM, phoebe ayers phoebe.w...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 10:59 AM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: On 8 April 2013 12:51, Brad Jorsch bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 12:16 PM, Risker risker...@gmail.com wrote: I do not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread David Gerard
On 8 April 2013 19:46, Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com wrote: Risker, while I see your point, and I agree that the deployment cycle is maybe just a little too rapid (give the editors some time to update their help pages ;) ), then your last mail is both unfair and untrue. Risker is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread Andre Klapper
David, could you please assume that people mean well, and that everybody is interested in the best for the project? Also see https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Code_of_conduct_policy Thanks, andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding messages to cache for wfMessage() at runtime

2013-04-08 Thread Ryan Kaldari
Take a look at the CentralNotice extension. It provides it's own interface for adding custom translatable messages. There might be some code there that is useful to you. Ryan Kaldari On 4/8/13 12:05 PM, Yuri Astrakhan wrote: Hi, I need to use the localization framework - wfMessage() to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Adding messages to cache for wfMessage() at runtime

2013-04-08 Thread Matthew Walker
Take a look at the CentralNotice extension. It provides it's own interface for adding custom translatable messages. There might be some code there that is useful to you. Sadly unlikely; CN adds messages by creating WikiPages. ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising Technology Team

[Wikitech-l] New git-review version revives year-old bug

2013-04-08 Thread Roan Kattouw
About a year ago, we were struggling with a git-review bug that caused lots of bogus warnings to appear. When running git review, you'd get a warning saying you're about to submit multiple commits, followed by a list of lots of other people's commits that have already been merged. I fixed this in

Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.21rc2 -- More 1.21 testing

2013-04-08 Thread Quim Gil
On 04/08/2013 09:03 AM, Mark A. Hershberger wrote: Finally, I'll be preparing a third release candidate for next week. Quim Gil wants to do a testing week during that time. If you'd like to help me put together a testing plan for that week, let me know. Great! I will prepare a landing page.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit actively discourages discussion

2013-04-08 Thread S Page
On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: Another big one is (1 comment) which gives no information about the comment or where it was made and no easy way to jump straight to it. (a link or AJAX or whatever). This one drives me crazy, especially after I've

[Wikitech-l] GSoC: accepted! Mentors: apply, please

2013-04-08 Thread Quim Gil
It's official! Today Wikimedia has been accepted into Google Summer of Code together with other 176 organizations: http://www.google-melange.com/gsoc/org/google/gsoc2013/wikimedia The next step in the process is to get the mentors registered.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit actively discourages discussion

2013-04-08 Thread Chad
On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 7:32 PM, S Page sp...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Apr 1, 2013 at 8:31 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: Another big one is (1 comment) which gives no information about the comment or where it was made and no easy way to jump straight to it. (a link or AJAX

Re: [Wikitech-l] Socializing changes

2013-04-08 Thread MZMcBride
Sumana Harihareswara wrote: On 04/06/2013 09:16 PM, Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: By the way, it would be lovely not to call communication like nationalization... sometimes I see people coming to communities saying they're socializing something and it feels weird. ;-) (Especially as it's false

Re: [Wikitech-l] Deployment highlights - week of April 8th

2013-04-08 Thread MZMcBride
phoebe ayers wrote: Not agreeing with the arguments of some editors *also* doesn't mean the entire engineering and operators department is doing it wrong, or that the Wikidata project (which is not developed by WMF, incidentally, and is having its own interesting discussions *among its own

[Wikitech-l] Jenkins tests 'LOST'?

2013-04-08 Thread Matthew Walker
Does anyone know what this means: mwext-CentralNotice-merge : LOST ... or why I'm getting: Please wait while Jenkins is getting ready to work Your browser will reload automatically when Jenkins is ready. from https://integration.wikimedia.org/ci/ ~Matt Walker Wikimedia Foundation Fundraising

Re: [Wikitech-l] Socializing changes

2013-04-08 Thread Tyler Romeo
I think as long as it's pretty obvious from the context that Wikimedia is not establishing a sovereign socialist nation, we should be fine with the current terminology. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com |

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jenkins tests 'LOST'?

2013-04-08 Thread Chad
Yes, Jenkins is broken right now. -Chad On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:13 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.org wrote: Does anyone know what this means: mwext-CentralNotice-merge : LOST ... or why I'm getting: Please wait while Jenkins is getting ready to work Your browser will reload

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jenkins tests 'LOST'?

2013-04-08 Thread Tyler Romeo
Jenkins is lost in the WMF network right now. Operations is in the process of searching subnets, but if we can't him, he's likely died and been lost forever. *-- * *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jenkins tests 'LOST'?

2013-04-08 Thread Chad
We found him. He was playing in the dirt. He's a very bad boy and has been punished. -Chad On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 8:47 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: Jenkins is lost in the WMF network right now. Operations is in the process of searching subnets, but if we can't him, he's likely

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC: accepted! Mentors: apply, please

2013-04-08 Thread Sumana Harihareswara
On 04/08/2013 07:40 PM, Quim Gil wrote: It's official! Today Wikimedia has been accepted into Google Summer of Code together with other 176 organizations: Thank you, Quim! I'm glad you're able to take over administering our GSoC this year and that we are (in my opinion) on our way to a

Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC: accepted! Mentors: apply, please

2013-04-08 Thread Alolita Sharma
Sumana, SMC is one of the oldest open source projects from India focused on improving Indic language computing. Also Santhosh Thottingal of Wikimedia's I18n team is one of the founding members of SMC :-) Looking forward to a great GDoC summer ahead! Alolita __ Alolita Sharma Wikimedia

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Iconathon Remote Participation

2013-04-08 Thread Waldir Pimenta
Sorry, but this announcement was frankly too little, too late. I had looked at the Wikimedia blog post, the Noun Project blog post, the eventbrite page, the talk pages of the event pages in mediawiki, meta and wikipedia (btw, why so much duplication? where was the central hub?) and there was

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Design] Wikimedia Iconathon Remote Participation

2013-04-08 Thread Steven Walling
On Monday, April 8, 2013, Waldir Pimenta wrote: Sorry, but this announcement was frankly too little, too late. I had looked at the Wikimedia blog post, the Noun Project blog post, the eventbrite page, the talk pages of the event pages in mediawiki, meta and wikipedia (btw, why so much

Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards

2013-04-08 Thread Waldir Pimenta
I share Sumana's and Max's concerns. The lead paragraph and the lead sentence of the article are indeed meant to provide a good, stand-alone summary of the subject, withing the limits of their corresponding lengths. The guidelines concerning these are located at

Re: [Wikitech-l] A new project - Wikicards

2013-04-08 Thread Matthew Flaschen
On 04/07/2013 03:24 PM, Gaurav Chawla wrote: - I introduced voting to include the users view into the information/definition that wikIcards will show. That will give a more accepted defn. I agree with Quim (on the bug). Consensus is a better approach for content (voting on such things is