Re: [Wikitech-l] Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR

2014-01-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Dec 31, 2013 at 1:08 AM, Martijn Hoekstra martijnhoeks...@gmail.com wrote: Does Jake have any mechanism in mind to prevent abuse? Is there any possible mechanism available to prevent abuse? Preventing abuse is the wrong goal. There is plenty of abuse even with all the privacy smashing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR

2014-01-12 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jan 12, 2014 at 6:36 PM, Jasper Deng jas...@jasperswebsite.com wrote: This question is analogous to the question of open proxies. The answer has universally been that the costs (abuse) are just too high. No, it's not analogous to just permitting open proxies as no one in this thread is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Jake requests enabling access and edit access to Wikipedia via TOR

2013-12-30 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 6:10 PM, Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 7:34 PM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: I was talking with Tom Lowenthal, who is a tor developer. He was trying to convince Tilman and I that IP's were just a form of collateral that we

Re: [Wikitech-l] Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki

2010-07-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 5:42 AM, Siebrand Mazeland s.mazel...@xs4all.nl wrote: Hi, Just to inform you about the NOW running live streams from Wikimania about MediaWiki. See http://toolserver.org/~reedy/wikimania2010/jazzhall.html Runs until 13.00 CEST TODAY/NOW! Shame. This requires some

Re: [Wikitech-l] Live stream from Wikimania 2010 about MediaWiki

2010-07-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jul 11, 2010 at 6:29 AM, Erik Moeller e...@wikimedia.org wrote: I am hugely grateful that we have reliable streaming this year, thanks to a lot of volunteer effort. Perhaps we can defer the ideological nitpicking and just share that appreciation. I would be grateful even if it required

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reject button for Pending Changes

2010-06-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip] look at the revision history.  However, this should be reasonably rare, and the diff remains in the edit history to be rescued, and can be reapplied if need be.  A competing problem is that disabling the reject

[Wikitech-l] Broken validation statistics

2010-06-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Is anyone working on fixing the broken output from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ValidationStatistics ? I brought this up on IRC a week-ish ago and there was some speculation as to the cause but it wasn't clear to me if anyone was working on fixing it.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reject button for Pending Changes

2010-06-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 6:04 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 12:12 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.comwrote: On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 2:48 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip] look at the revision history.  However, this should be reasonably

Re: [Wikitech-l] Reject button for Pending Changes

2010-06-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jun 27, 2010 at 9:59 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Moreover, you've selectively linked one of several discussions — when in others it was made quite clear that many people (myself included, of course) consider a super-rollback  undo everything pending button

[Wikitech-l] Problem with the pending changes review screen.

2010-06-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Imagine an article with many revisions and pending changes enabled: A, B, C, D, E, F, G... A is an approved edit. B,C,D,E,F,G are all pending edits. B is horrible vandalism that the subsequent edits did not fix. You are a reviewer, you go to review page by clicking a pending review link. On

Re: [Wikitech-l] Problem with the pending changes review screen.

2010-06-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:05 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Imagine an article with many revisions and pending changes enabled: A, B, C, D, E, F, G... [snip] I don't know how to fix this. We could remove the reject button to make it more clear that you use the normal editing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Problem with the pending changes review screen.

2010-06-15 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:38 PM, Carl (CBM) cbm.wikipe...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Consider the following edit sequence: A, B, C, D, E A is a previously approved version.  B, and D are all excellent edits.  C and E

Re: [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 2:13 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everyone, I'm preparing a patch against FlaggedRevs which includes changes that Howie and I worked on in preparation for the launch of its deployment onto en.wikipedia.org .  We started first by creating a style guide

Re: [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 5:09 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: I have created a poster suitable for distribution to journalists http://myrandomnode.dyndns.org:8080/~gmaxwell/flagged_protection.png I have revised the graphic based on input from Andrew Gray and others. http

Re: [Wikitech-l] Updating strings for FlaggedRevs for the Flagged Protection/Pending Revisions/Double Check launch

2010-05-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, May 22, 2010 at 8:17 PM, Rob Lanphier ro...@robla.net wrote: I suppose in this case, there might be a simpler debate about which is a better word: sighted, checked or accepted, since I think we actually have the same goal here (we don't want to convey anything other than someone other

Re: [Wikitech-l] VP8 freed!

2010-05-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
This is pretty far off topic, but letting fud sit around is never a good idea. On Thu, May 20, 2010 at 2:08 AM, Hay (Husky) hus...@gmail.com wrote: http://x264dev.multimedia.cx/?p=377 Apparently the codec itself isn't as good as H264, and patent problems are still likely. It's better than

Re: [Wikitech-l] Vector skin not working on BlackBerry?

2010-05-13 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 3:16 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: There's a few comments on the Wikimedia blog saying they can't access en:wp any more using their BlackBerry. Though we tried it here on an 8900 and it works. Any other reports? Punching in http://en.wikipedia.org/ as I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Broken videos

2010-03-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 7:15 AM, Lars Aronsson l...@aronsson.se wrote: So how do I tell what's wrong? I have a laptop that is less than half a year old, a clean Ubuntu Linux 9.10 install and the included Firefox 3.5.8 browser. This should work, but these two videos never play more than two

Re: [Wikitech-l] Broken videos

2010-03-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Mar 16, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote: In any case, video and audio are in the same boat as Jpeg/png, +/- some differences in software maturity.  There aren't any known or expected malware vectors for them. Agreed. But seems possible to generate streams of video

Re: [Wikitech-l] modernizing mediawiki

2010-03-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Mar 2, 2010 at 11:30 PM, Chris Lewis yecheondigi...@yahoo.com wrote: I hope I am emailing this to the right group. My concern was about mediawiki and it's limitations, as well as it's outdated methods. As someone wo runs a wiki, I've gone through a lot of frustrations. If Wordpress

Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [62223] trunk/extensions/OggHandler

2010-02-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 8:38 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: That sounds like it needs a one-line fix in OggHandler::normaliseParams(), not 50 lines of code and a new decoder. Do you have a test file or a bug report or something? Just switching the thumbnailer should be

Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [62223] trunk/extensions/OggHandler

2010-02-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Gregory Maxwell wrote: Looks like this change removed both the Oggthumb support as well as the code that handles the cases where ffmpeg fails. The usual problem with deploying new solutions for equivalent tasks

Re: [Wikitech-l] [MediaWiki-CVS] SVN: [62223] trunk/extensions/OggHandler

2010-02-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 12:51 AM, tstarl...@svn.wikimedia.org wrote: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/62223 Revision: 62223 Author:   tstarling Date:     2010-02-10 05:51:56 + (Wed, 10 Feb 2010) Log Message: --- * In preparation for deployment, revert the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Theora video in IE? Use Silverlight!

2010-02-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:47 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 3:39 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: This is clever-ish: http://www.atoker.com/blog/2010/02/04/html5-theora-video-codec-for-silverlight/ He says there that this will Just Work

Re: [Wikitech-l] Theora video in IE? Use Silverlight!

2010-02-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 4:58 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 5 February 2010 21:53, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Yes, Cortado works in more places but there is no reason that BOTH can't be used, extending support to places with silverlight but without Java

Re: [Wikitech-l] Flattening a wikimedia category

2010-02-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 6:40 PM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.de wrote: Is there any reason not to have a flatted structure some- where on the toolserver (or, in the long run, in MediaWiki)? A quick look at recentchanges for dewp shows about 22000 changes per month, about one every two

Re: [Wikitech-l] Facebook introducing PHP compiler?

2010-02-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Tei oscar.vi...@gmail.com wrote: I was thinking about that the other day, I understand why MediaWiki don't follow that route. Mediawiki often runs in enviroments where users have no shell access, no ability to install extensions, etc. There is some C++ stuff

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google phases out support for IE6

2010-02-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 1:28 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 1 February 2010 15:43, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 10:14 AM, Thomas Dalton thomas.dal...@gmail.com wrote: It's not just the clutter, though, it's the effort of maintaining

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google phases out support for IE6

2010-02-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Feb 1, 2010 at 6:31 PM, Schneelocke schneelo...@gmail.com wrote: Maybe we should do the same - introduce bugs that will cause subtle breakages on browsers we'd rather not go out of our way to specifically support any longer, and see if anyone'll actually complain. :) People are really

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google phases out support for IE6

2010-01-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 6:34 PM, John Vandenberg jay...@gmail.com wrote: Even then, there is http://www.askvg.com/download-mozilla-firefox-30-portable-edition-no-installation-needed/ Excuse me?  please read the earlier posts in this thread. I am talking about IE for Mac Classic. iCab

Re: [Wikitech-l] Log of failed searches

2010-01-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: Suggestion : * log search and SHA1 IP hash (anonymous!) *Any* mapping of the IP is not anonymous. Please see the AOL search results where unique IDs were connected between searches to disclose information.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Log of failed searches

2010-01-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:01 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/1/14 Bryan Tong Minh bryan.tongm...@gmail.com: On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Magnus Manske magnusman...@googlemail.com wrote: * log search and SHA1 IP hash (anonymous!) There are only 2 billion unique addresses

Re: [Wikitech-l] Log of failed searches

2010-01-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Here is what I would suggest disclosing: #start_datetime end_datetime hits search_string 2010-01-01-0:0:4 2010-01-13-23-59-50 39284 naked people 2010-01-01-0:0:4 2010-01-13-23-59-50 23950 hot grits ... 2010-01-01-0:0

Re: [Wikitech-l] Log of failed searches

2010-01-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 12:22 PM, Conrad Irwin conrad.ir...@googlemail.com wrote: Wiktionary is case-sensitive and so case-folding there may not be appropriate; I personally would be interested in seeing these logs before even the NFC normalizers get to them (given a lack of any other source

Re: [Wikitech-l] Log of failed searches

2010-01-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jan 14, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: Sampled search logs are unlikely to reveal them though, since what they are repeating are the non-keywords, not the full query. Sampling is fine, but aggregated logs aren't likely to… thats the primary reason for reporting

[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia crosses 10Gbit/sec

2010-01-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Today Wikimedia's world-wide five-minute-average transmission rate crossed 10gbit/sec for the first time ever, as far as I know. This peak rate was achieved while serving roughly 91,725 requests per second. This fantastic news is almost coincident with Wikipedia's 9th anniversary on January 15th.

Re: [Wikitech-l] IE8 Compatibility View

2010-01-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 7:18 PM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:36 PM, Mike.lifeguard mike.lifegu...@gmail.com wrote: Microsoft has informed us with an email to OTRS (#201000039819) that wikimedia.org (and presumably our other domains) will be

[Wikitech-l] search ranking

2010-01-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 5:50 PM, Robert Stojnic rainma...@gmail.com wrote: So we got some new search servers (thanks MarkRob) and I have deployed them today. As a consequence, the search limit is now re-raised to 500 and interwiki search is back on all wikis. I would still however like to keep

Re: [Wikitech-l] search ranking

2010-01-10 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 9:52 PM, William Pietri will...@scissor.com wrote: On 01/10/2010 06:12 PM, Gregory Maxwell wrote: If anyone feels adventurous: http://www.joachims.org/publications/joachims_02c.pdf http://www.cs.cornell.edu/People/tj/svm_light/svm_rank.html Ooh, that looks fun

Re: [Wikitech-l] downloading wikipedia database dumps

2010-01-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:56 AM, Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jan 8, 2010 at 10:31 AM, Jamie Morken jmor...@shaw.ca wrote: I am not sure about the cost of the bandwidth, but the wikipedia image dumps are no longer available on the wikipedia dump anyway.  I am

Re: [Wikitech-l] Redirect disclosure on hover

2009-12-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:56 PM, John Doe phoenixoverr...@gmail.com wrote: or a simpler method would be to use a javascript tool like I use which was created by lupin called popups which can actually get the redirect target page show the first picture and first paragraph on mouse hover You have

Re: [Wikitech-l] Usability initiative (HotCatreplacement/improvements etc.)

2009-09-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Jared Williams jared.willia...@ntlworld.com wrote: Can distribute them across multiple domain names, thereby bypassing the browser/HTTP limits. Something along the lines of 'c'.(crc32($title) 3).'.en.wikipedia.org' Would atleast attempt to download upto 4

Re: [Wikitech-l] Not allowing certain external link types?

2009-09-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 4:28 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Although his actions were IMO dickish, he has some point: is there any reason to allow .exe links on WMF sites? Is there a clean method to disable them? Is this a bad idea for any reason? What should default settings be in

Re: [Wikitech-l] flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org Status?

2009-09-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:03 AM, K. Peacheyp858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: Seems my concern was moot in any case... Every time I loaded it I've only seen trashed pages like this:

Re: [Wikitech-l] flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org Status?

2009-09-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 7:17 PM, K. Peacheyp858sn...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 7:02 AM, Platonidesplatoni...@gmail.com wrote: You know, when you point to a broken page, people^W wikipedians tend to do absurd things like fixing them :) I was going to fix some up, but import is

[Wikitech-l] flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org Status?

2009-08-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Greetings. Can anyone provide a status update regarding flaggedrevs.labs.wikimedia.org ? In the future perhaps it would be better to import simple english Wikipedia for enwp testing: The lack of templates makes the site look extensively vandalized already. I'm guessing that an alternative

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia iPhone app official page?

2009-08-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 9:07 AM, Dmitriy Sintsovques...@rambler.ru wrote: Some local coder told me that GIT is slower and consumes much more RAM on some operations than SVN. I can't confirm that, though, because I never used GIT and still rarely use SVN. But, be warned. I laughed at this...

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikipedia iPhone app official page?

2009-08-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 29, 2009 at 6:48 PM, Marco Schusterma...@harddisk.is-a-geek.org wrote: And so to the disk. If the disk or the controller sucks or is simply old (not everyone has shiny new hardware), you're also damn slow. What should also not be underestimated is the diskspace demand of a GIT repo

Re: [Wikitech-l] please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable

2009-08-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Aug 24, 2009 at 1:16 AM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: Why have each user jump through such hoops, and still leave this door open to the the bad guys whoever they are. [snip] If you wish to have a productive discussion with people you'll be most successful if you try to understand and

Re: [Wikitech-l] please make wikimedia.org mailing lists searchable

2009-08-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 22, 2009 at 11:20 PM, jida...@jidanni.org wrote: All I know is I don't know of any other examples of security through obscurity on mailing lists. Wasn't Jimbo inventing a new search engine? I don't know though... can't search for the announcement. Download the gzipped mbox files

Re: [Wikitech-l] Batik SVG-to-PNG server revisited

2009-08-16 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Aug 16, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Hk knghk@web.de wrote: New test results were added at http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/SVG_benchmarks This looks even better than my first attempt. Nonetheless, it is clear that batikd is not ready to use but needs to be worked on. I'm not sure where the

[Wikitech-l] Video transcoding settings Was: [54611] trunk/extensions/WikiAtHome/WikiAtHome.php

2009-08-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 5:29 PM, d...@svn.wikimedia.org wrote: http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/54611 Revision: 54611 Author:   dale Date:     2009-08-07 21:29:26 + (Fri, 07 Aug 2009) Log Message: --- added a explicit keyframeInterval per gmaxwell's mention

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video Quality for Derivatives (was Re:w...@home Extension)

2009-08-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: So I committed ~basic~ derivate code support for oggHandler in r54550 (more solid support on the way) Based input from the w...@home thread;  here are updated target qualities expressed via the firefogg api to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Video Quality for Derivatives (was Re:w...@home Extension)

2009-08-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:17 PM, Gregory Maxwellgmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Aug 6, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: So I committed ~basic~ derivate code support for oggHandler in r54550 (more solid support on the way) Based input from the w...@home thread;  here

Re: [Wikitech-l] How to securely connect to Wikipedia in a public wifi ?

2009-08-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org wrote: On 8/3/09 6:28 PM, Remember the dot wrote: On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 2:16 PM, Brion Vibberbr...@wikimedia.org  wrote: Once we have a cleaner interface for hitting the general pages (without the 'secure.wikimedia.org' crappy

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-03 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 10:56 PM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: Also will hack in adding derivatives to the job queue where oggHandler is embed in a wiki-article at a substantial lower resolution than the source version. Will have it send the high res version until the derivative is

Re: [Wikitech-l] GIF thumbnailing

2009-08-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 10:26 AM, Ilmari Karonennos...@vyznev.net wrote: [snip] It seems to me that delivering *static* thumbnails of GIF images, either in GIF or PNG format, would be a considerable improvement over the current situation.  And indeed, the code to do that seems to be already in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wiki at Home Extension

2009-08-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 6:29 PM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip] two quick points. 1) you don't have to re-upload the whole video just the sha1 or some sort of hash of the assigned chunk. But each re-encoder must download the source material. I agree that uploads aren't much of

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: true... people will never upload to site without instant gratification ( cough youtube cough ) ... Hm? I just tried uploading to youtube and there was a video up right away. Other sizes followed within a minute or two. At

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 2:54 AM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:47 AM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:13 AM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: Once you factor in the ratio of video to non-video content

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: A reasonable estimate would require knowledge of how much free video can be automatically acquired, it's metadata automatically parsed and then automatically uploaded to commons. I am aware of some massive archives of free

Re: [Wikitech-l] w...@home Extension

2009-08-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Aug 1, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Brianbrian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: There are always tradeoffs. If I understand w...@home correctly it is also intended to be run @foundation. It works just as well for distributing transcoding over the foundation cluster as it does for distributing it to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Alternative editing interfaces using write API (was: Re: Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords)

2009-07-24 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 10:05 PM, Brianna Laugherbrianna.laug...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] I can imagine someone building an alternative edit interface for a subset of Wikipedia content, say a WikiProject. Then the interface can strip away all the general crud and just provide information

Re: [Wikitech-l] Do no harm

2009-07-23 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 11:07 AM, dan nessettdness...@yahoo.com wrote: [snip] On the other hand, if there were regression tests for the main code and for the most important extensions, I could make the change, run the regression tests and see if any break. If some do, I could focus my

Re: [Wikitech-l] Clickjacking and CSRF

2009-07-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 12:54 PM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: Well, in this case we're not even talking about something that would go into HTML 5, necessarily, it's being developed by only Mozilla right now.  If more important Wikimedia people than I state agreement with

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlistr.com, an outside site that asks for Wikimedia passwords

2009-07-22 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 4:18 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Mmm. So solving this properly would require solving many of the various consolidated/multiple watchlist bugs in MediaWiki itself, then. Hm? No. Solving *this* involves having a sysadmin determine the source of IP of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] just a note...

2009-07-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 6:13 PM, Domas Mituzasmidom.li...@gmail.com wrote: Could you elaborate on what template and why changing a single template should have that large an effect? tomorrow =) I'm guessing something that added some categories to some very widely used infobox or licensing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending a browser for video (was: Proposal: switch to HTML 5)

2009-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 5:23 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 Platonides platoni...@gmail.com: I advocate a simply: You can [[install X]] to get native support. [[More info]] What do we do for iPhone users? They do not have Theora support because Apple has actively decided

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending a browser for video (was: Proposal: switch to HTML 5)

2009-07-09 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jul 9, 2009 at 6:20 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/9 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: Assuming that native support really is noticeably better.  Maybe we could only suggest it if we detect that the playback is stuttering, or suggest it more prominently if

Re: [Wikitech-l] secure slower and slower

2009-07-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 9:05 AM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/7 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: But really -- have there been *any* confirmed incidents of MITMing an Internet connection in, say, the past decade?  Real malicious attacks in the wild, not

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5

2009-07-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:23 PM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: The current language is For best video playback experience we recommend _Firefox 3.5_ ... but I am open to adjustments. I'd drop the word experience. It's superfluous marketing speak. So the notice chain I'm planning on

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending a browser for video (was: Proposal: switch to HTML 5)

2009-07-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:56 PM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 2:43 AM, Marco Schusterma...@harddisk.is-a-geek.org wrote: We should not recommend Chrome - as good as it is, but it has serious privacy problems. Opera is not Open Source, so I think we'd

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5

2009-07-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 3:06 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/8  j...@v2v.cc: David Gerard wrote: You are using Internet Explorer. Install the Ogg codecs _here_ for a greatly improved Wikimedia experience. Internet Explorer does not support the video tag, installing Ogg

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending a browser for video (was: Proposal: switch to HTML 5)

2009-07-08 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 6:12 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: 2009/7/8 Aryeh Gregor simetrical+wikil...@gmail.com: On Wed, Jul 8, 2009 at 4:27 PM, David Gerarddger...@gmail.com wrote: Uh, it's not a good option for Wikimedia video. With XiphQT, why not?  Maybe not ideal, but surely

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5

2009-07-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 1:54 AM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] * We could support video/audio on conformant user agents without the use of JavaScript.  There's no reason we should need JS for Firefox 3.5, Chrome 3, etc. Of course, that could be done without switching

Re: [Wikitech-l] Proposal: switch to HTML 5

2009-07-07 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Jul 7, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip] I don't really have apple machine handy to test quality of user experience in OSX safari with xiph-qt. But if that is on-par with Firefox native support we should probably link to the component install instructions

Re: [Wikitech-l] Regular expressions searching

2009-07-06 Thread Gregory Maxwell
regex could significantly expand this time taken, leading to a denial of service. I seem to recall Gregory Maxwell describing a setup that made this feasible, given the appropriate amount of dedicated hardware.  It was run with the entire database in memory; it only permitted real regular

Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-07-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 1:42 AM, Dmitriy Sintsovques...@rambler.ru wrote: XSLT itself is a way too much locked down - even simple things like substrings manipulation and loops aren't so easy to perform. Well, maybe I am too stupid for XSLT but from my experience bringing tag syntax in

Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-07-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 3:50 AM, William Allen Simpsonwilliam.allen.simp...@gmail.com wrote: Javascript, OMG don't go there. Don't be so quick to dismiss Javscript. If we were making a scorecard it would likely meet most of the checkboxes: * Available of reliable battle tested sandboxes (and

Re: [Wikitech-l] On templates and programming languages

2009-07-01 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Jul 1, 2009 at 11:21 AM, William Allen Simpsonwilliam.allen.simp...@gmail.com wrote: * Doesn't inflate the number of languages used in the operation of the site This is the important checkbox, as far as integration with the project (my first criterion), but is the server side code

[Wikitech-l] Technical solution to the privileged users adding web bugs problem

2009-06-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
Shutting Down XSS with Content Security Policy http://blog.mozilla.com/security/2009/06/19/shutting-down-xss-with-content-security-policy/ I'm usually the first to complain about applying technical solutions to problems which are not fundamentally technical... but this looks like it would be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Technical solution to the privileged users adding web bugs problem

2009-06-29 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Aryeh Gregorsimetrical+wikil...@gmail.com wrote: I think this would be reasonable to consider implementing as soon we have a significant number of users using it.  It isn't a good idea to make CSP policies that won't actually be effective immediately for a lot

Re: [Wikitech-l] Mediawiki and html5

2009-06-27 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 4:39 AM, Strainustrain...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I've heard that wikipedia will be among the first content providers to support the video and audio tags in html5. I'm trying to put up a presentation about the subject for a FF3.5 release party and I would like to find

Re: [Wikitech-l] subst'ing #if parser functions loses line breaks, and other oddities

2009-06-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 12:01 PM, Gerard Meijssengerard.meijs...@gmail.com wrote: Hoi, At some stage Wikipedia was this thing that everybody can edit... I can not and will not edit this shit so what do you expect from the average Joe ?? I can not (effectively) contribute to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Minify

2009-06-26 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jun 26, 2009 at 4:33 PM, Michael Dalemd...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would quickly add that the script-loader / new-upload branch also supports minify along with associating unique id's grouping gziping. So all your mediaWiki page includes are tied to their version numbers and can be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Unbreaking statistics

2009-06-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Robert Rohderaro...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:38 PM, Tim Starlingtstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: Peter Gervai wrote: Is there a possibility to write a code which process raw squid data? Who do I have to bribe? :-/ Yes it's possible. You just

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google web bugs in Mediawiki js from admins - technical workarounds?

2009-06-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:19 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Keeping well-meaning admins from putting Google web bugs in the JavaScript is a game of whack-a-mole. Are there any technical workarounds feasible? If not blocking the loading of external sites entirely (I understand hu:wp

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google web bugs in Mediawiki js from admins - technical workarounds?

2009-06-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 10:53 AM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: I understand the problem with stats before was that the stats server would melt under the load. Leon's old wikistats page sampled 1:1000. The current stats (on dammit.lt and served up nicely on http://stats.grok.se) are

Re: [Wikitech-l] Google web bugs in Mediawiki js from admins - technical workarounds?

2009-06-04 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Mike.lifeguard mikelifegu...@fastmail.fm wrote: On Thu, 2009-06-04 at 15:34 +0100, David Gerard wrote: Then external site loading can be blocked. Why do we need to block loading from all external sites? If there are specific problematic ones (like google

Re: [Wikitech-l] flagged revisions

2009-05-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, May 20, 2009 at 9:58 PM, Bart banati...@gmail.com wrote: I don't know about those flagged revisions.  After a while, it would basically mean that every edit and page view would be doubled.  For most [snip] Sorry to be curt, but why do people who have a weak understanding of the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dealing with Large Files when attempting a wikipedia database download - Focus upon Bittorrent List

2009-04-18 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:42 PM, Gregory Maxwell gmaxw...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] But if you are running parallel connections to avoid slowdowns you're just attempting to cheat TCP congestion control and get an unfair share of the available bandwidth. That kind of selfish behaviour fuels non

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dealing with Large Files when attempting a wikipedia database download - Focus upon Bittorrent List

2009-04-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 6:10 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: I seem to remember there being a discussion about the torrenting issue before. In short: there's never been any official torrents, and the unofficial ones never got really popular. Torrent isn't a very good transfer method

Re: [Wikitech-l] Dealing with Large Files when attempting a wikipedia database download - Focus upon Bittorrent List

2009-04-17 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Apr 17, 2009 at 9:21 PM, Stig Meireles Johansen sti...@gmail.com wrote: But some ISP's throttle TCP-connections (either by design or by simple oversubscription and random packet drops), so many small connections *can* yield a better result for the end user. And if you are so unlucky as

Re: [Wikitech-l] Large nested templates (example: NYRepresentatives)

2009-04-14 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Apr 14, 2009 at 10:52 AM, Sergey Chernyshev sergey.chernys...@gmail.com wrote: Domas, In this particular case, template will just contain an SMW query to get all representatives. [snip] How does this avoid merely shifting the load from the parser (on the plentiful application servers)

Re: [Wikitech-l] ANNOUNCE: OpenStreetMap maps will be added to Wikimedia projects

2009-04-05 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sun, Apr 5, 2009 at 10:12 PM, Brian brian.min...@colorado.edu wrote: Great. Let us know when you've got community approval. Better than a simple super-majority too per the president set in the recent discussions related to revision flagging. ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Providing simpler dump format (raw, SQL or CSV)?

2009-03-31 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:02 AM, Christensen, Courtney christens...@battelle.org wrote: -Original Message- Given that the current dump process is having problem, why not provide a simple fix such as providing raw table format , SQL files or even CSV files? Howard, Can't you get

Re: [Wikitech-l] PDF vulnerability

2009-02-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 12:57 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: [snip] It could also pass a virus scan but I don't think it's really needed. Virus scanners mainly look for known bad code, inside executables. We don't want any kind of executable. I've run clamav against the entire set

Re: [Wikitech-l] Javascript localization, minify, gzip cache forever

2009-02-20 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 5:51 PM, Brion Vibber br...@wikimedia.org wrote: [snip] On the other hand we don't want to delay those interactions; it's probably cheaper to load 15 messages in one chunk after showing the wizard rather than waiting until each tab click to load them 5 at a time. But

Re: [Wikitech-l] inconsistent precision in PHP output

2009-02-11 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Wed, Feb 11, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: Yes Domas, haha, because no one would ever want to write about math or high precision scientific measurements in an encyclopedia. Holy crud! You don't use floating point for this! If you need deterministic behaviour and

Re: [Wikitech-l] – Fixing {val}

2009-02-02 Thread Gregory Maxwell
On Sat, Jan 31, 2009 at 8:33 PM, Robert Rohde raro...@gmail.com wrote: This discussion is getting side tracked. The real complaint here is that {{#expr:(0.7 * 1000 * 1000) mod 1000}} is giving 69 when it should give 70. This is NOT a formatting issue, but rather it is bug in the #expr

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