Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-16 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2015-02-16 5:07 PM, Isarra Yos wrote: > but in general making new skins as skins is something we should be > doing more of I remember a time way back when we were still using QuickTemplate. I spent some time eliminating Vector hacks and creating core features like content_navigation that made V

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-16 Thread Isarra Yos
On 15/02/15 21:03, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:14:59 +0100, Max Semenik wrote: Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just do it: * Move Minerva out of MobileFrontend

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-16 Thread Max Semenik
Yup! On Sun, Feb 15, 2015 at 3:08 PM, Tim Starling wrote: > On 14/02/15 09:39, Max Semenik wrote: > > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Legoktm > > wrote: > >> > >> > >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71366 > > > > > > Note that my proposal is explicitly different from Jon's plans about that

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-15 Thread Tim Starling
On 14/02/15 09:39, Max Semenik wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Legoktm > wrote: >> >> >> https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71366 > > > Note that my proposal is explicitly different from Jon's plans about that > bug: he wants to continue overriding special pages, etc. while I want to >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-15 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
On Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:14:59 +0100, Max Semenik wrote: Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just do it: * Move Minerva out of MobileFrontend * Leave all mobile-specific improvements, "i

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-15 Thread quiddity
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 9:11 PM, MZMcBride wrote: > Trevor Parscal wrote: > >We really need to just evolve Vector. It's not a sacred cow, and it's sort > >of sad how little it's been changed since I made in back in 2009. How it > >looks, how it works and how it responds to different devices can a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-15 Thread Federico Leva (Nemo)
Thanks, MaxSem. I'm looking forward to a skin which only does skinning. Specific hacks/overrides are indeed best discussed elsewhere, but the "last edited [by X] Y ago" is actually a good example. The change was tested on desktop and a decision was made to make it permanent. Instead, it ended

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread MZMcBride
Trevor Parscal wrote: >We really need to just evolve Vector. It's not a sacred cow, and it's sort >of sad how little it's been changed since I made in back in 2009. How it >looks, how it works and how it responds to different devices can all be >changed incrementally, and we can do this without con

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread John Mark Vandenberg
On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 2:42 PM, Ricordisamoa wrote: > Can I just say that I hate it? > It does not even give access to the talk page! Looks like here is the best place to discuss design decisions: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Beta_Features/Minerva -- John Vandenberg ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Ricordisamoa
Can I just say that I hate it? It does not even give access to the talk page! Il 13/02/2015 23:14, Max Semenik ha scritto: Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just do it: * Move Minerva out

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Brian Wolff
On Feb 13, 2015 6:15 PM, "Max Semenik" wrote: > > Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a > responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just > do it: > * Move Minerva out of MobileFrontend > * Leave all mobile-specific improvements, "improv

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Ryan Kaldari
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Risker wrote: > Help me out here. Why does anyone care that the article was last edited 13 > days ago by Omeganian? And even if they do, why is that the very first > thing that someone sees? > This is rather off-topic, but to answer the question it was part of a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Trevor Parscal
We really need to just evolve Vector. It's not a sacred cow, and it's sort of sad how little it's been changed since I made in back in 2009. How it looks, how it works and how it responds to different devices can all be changed incrementally, and we can do this without continued or additional fragm

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Max Semenik
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Legoktm wrote: > > > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71366 Note that my proposal is explicitly different from Jon's plans about that bug: he wants to continue overriding special pages, etc. while I want to leave everything like this outside of the skin, includ

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Daniel Friesen
On 2015-02-13 2:19 PM, Chad wrote: > On Fri Feb 13 2015 at 2:15:29 PM Max Semenik wrote: > >> Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a >> responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just >> do it: >> * Move Minerva out of MobileFrontend >> *

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Risker
On 13 February 2015 at 17:25, Max Semenik wrote: > On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Risker wrote: > > > > Help me out here. Why does anyone care that the article was last edited > 13 > > days ago by Omeganian? And even if they do, why is that the very first > > thing that someone sees? > > > >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Max Semenik
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 2:23 PM, Risker wrote: > > Help me out here. Why does anyone care that the article was last edited 13 > days ago by Omeganian? And even if they do, why is that the very first > thing that someone sees? > See the part about improvements. -- Best regards, Max Semenik ([[U

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Risker
On 13 February 2015 at 17:19, Chad wrote: > On Fri Feb 13 2015 at 2:15:29 PM Max Semenik > wrote: > > > Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a > > responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we > just > > do it: > > * Move Minerva out of Mo

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Legoktm
On 02/13/2015 02:14 PM, Max Semenik wrote: > Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a > responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just > do it: > * Move Minerva out of MobileFrontend https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T71366 -- Legoktm __

Re: [Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Chad
On Fri Feb 13 2015 at 2:15:29 PM Max Semenik wrote: > Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a > responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just > do it: > * Move Minerva out of MobileFrontend > * Leave all mobile-specific improvements, "i

[Wikitech-l] Boil the ocean, be silly, throw the baby out with bathwater, demolish silos, have fun

2015-02-13 Thread Max Semenik
Sorry for all the trolling, but why instead of discussing how we need a responsive skin for MediaWiki and waiting for Winter to come don't we just do it: * Move Minerva out of MobileFrontend * Leave all mobile-specific improvements, "improvements" and hacks in MF * Polish Minerva to do everythig a