Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Tue, Sep 20, 2016 at 10:05 AM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > Here are three topic suggestions, cc'ed here in case folks aren't following > the Flow, with an illustrative (but not exhaustive) list of sessions that > could fit under each Thanks for doing that breakdown! I

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

Here are three topic suggestions, cc'ed here in case folks aren't following the Flow, with an illustrative (but not exhaustive) list of sessions that could fit under each: *1. *(A unified vision for) *Collaboration* - Real-time collaboration (not just editing, but chatting, curation,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

Robla and I are trying to nail down the main topics that will bootstrap the Summit in the next days. Please join the discussion until we make a decision (and beyond if you wish, of course): https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Topic:Tb6bztglijowk8x3 Remember that at least 50% of time and space will be

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

2016-09-15 18:53 GMT+02:00 Rob Lanphier : > This seems apropos: > https://vimeo.com/121290570 > > It's good Hollywood is finally paying attention to our people. > Made my day! :-D -- Bináris ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

Am 15.09.2016 um 18:53 schrieb Rob Lanphier: > On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Daniel Kinzler > wrote: >> Am 15.09.2016 um 01:54 schrieb Chad: >>> Bummer. I think paying down tech debt is fun and way more rewarding >>> than making shiny new things. >>> >>> But I'm

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 15, 2016 at 1:09 AM, Daniel Kinzler wrote: > Am 15.09.2016 um 01:54 schrieb Chad: >> Bummer. I think paying down tech debt is fun and way more rewarding >> than making shiny new things. >> >> But I'm also weird as hell... > > /me waves to a kindred soul.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

Am 15.09.2016 um 01:54 schrieb Chad: > Bummer. I think paying down tech debt is fun and way more rewarding > than making shiny new things. > > But I'm also weird as hell... /me waves to a kindred soul. -- Daniel Kinzler Senior Software Developer Wikimedia Deutschland Gesellschaft zur

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Wed, Sep 14, 2016 at 4:01 PM MZMcBride wrote: > >>* how can we improve the quality of our software, and pay down the > >> technical debt we've accumulated over the years? > > > >Pro: again, a favorite topic of talk-over-beers among developers. One > >could imagine a whole

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

C. Scott Ananian wrote: >On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: >>Let's say that we had to pick only one of these questions to answer >>at WikiDev17. Which would you choose? > >All of them! But since no one else bit Rob's bait, let me try to give a >pro/con for

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 1:57 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > Good point. Let's say that we had to pick only one of these questions to > answer at WikiDev17. Which would you choose? > All of them! But since no one else bit Rob's bait, let me try to give a pro/con for each. *

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

DO NOT WRITE ME THAK¨¨s El jue, 8/9/16, Rob Lanphier <ro...@wikimedia.org> escribió: Asunto: Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January? Para: "Wikimedia developers" <wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org> Fecha: j

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 7:53 AM, Nuria Ruiz wrote: > > Seems that defining what areas we want to cover in the summit is > a prerequisite to do what Brion was asking for in the initial e-mail, to > open the summit beyond WMF. > > Good point. Let's say that we had to pick only

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

>The organizers of the Summit propose to have a few main topics defined >beforehand, so we can invite the people beyond the usual Summit >participants that should be involved in these discussions. >We don't have any opinion about which topics should be selected. However, >we believe that it is

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Wed, Sep 7, 2016 at 8:45 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > It's hard for me to read this as anything but "WMF Product selects the > topics, and then 'listens' for objections on wikitech-l". Since this is not even remotely what I am trying to say, let me try again, while I keep

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

Hi Quim, Thanks for the response, and thanks for responding for my request to talk about this at the upcoming IRC meeting: I've got a lot of thoughts about your response, but I'm going to zero in on the central thing that's confusing me

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 5:55 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > > GOALS [...] The Summit and its goal have been a moving target over the > > years, as you can deduce from the many changes of names & goals. [0] > >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 8:07 AM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: > with by the WMF's Product department, perhaps not. > I'd be happy to talk about Reading's roadmap and discuss the technical implications[1]. I could also go over some of the user research we just did in Mexico,

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Mon, Sep 5, 2016 at 11:14 PM, Quim Gil wrote: > Thank you for starting this conversation, Brion! > > Let me share the point where Rachel Farrand (Summit organizer) and I > (Summit budget owner) find ourselves, after some conversations. > > GOALS [...] The Summit and its

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Tue, Sep 6, 2016 at 2:14 AM, Quim Gil wrote: > What if the Summit would be product driven, with architecture and the rest > following that drive. All we are here to offer better products to our > users. All the technical discussions make more sense when there is a clear >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

> > But there is a problem: we have a capacity limit of 200 people. In hackthons (either Wikimedia hackathon or Wikimania hackthon days) there is not always a large enough hall for all the devs, and people may sit in different rooms. So the capability limit can be soften a bit - this could be a

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

Thank you for starting this conversation, Brion! Let me share the point where Rachel Farrand (Summit organizer) and I (Summit budget owner) find ourselves, after some conversations. GOALS First we need to define the goals of the Summit, then we can talk about the target audiences and the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

This topic is a great read, and as a non-developer who's interested in technical matters, I was quite excited to see this proposal. It might be an idea to identify one or two specific topics that may be particularly amenable to outreach to users outside of the "usual suspects" who attend the Dev

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On 09/01/2016 03:35 PM, C. Scott Ananian wrote: > However, no one was present at the dev summit who used LanguageConverter on their home wiki, and few folks who rely on Content Translation routinely. (Maybe one or two were present, but not enough to have a reasonable discussion about the future

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 6:54 PM, bawolff wrote: > > > > * In a big session on services-oriented architectures, a lot of time was > > spent theorizing about what small wikis who do their hosting on > > shared-hosting services do, and whether various solutions we were >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

> > * In a big session on services-oriented architectures, a lot of time was > spent theorizing about what small wikis who do their hosting on > shared-hosting services do, and whether various solutions we were proposing > would make it easier or harder for these non-WMF users of mediawiki. *But

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 1:33 PM, Rob Lanphier wrote: > I copied your message here: > Ooops, I meant here: Rob

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 10:12 AM, Brion Vibber wrote: > I think we should change this. I think so too! I have a lot more to say, but I'm thinking that the best place to say it will be on wiki rather than on mailing list. So, I copied your message here:

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 1:12 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > The last couple years we've done a big MediaWiki Dev Summit in January, > around the time of the Wikimedia Foundation all-hands meeting. Invitations > have been fairly broad to known developers, but there's a very

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 11:11 AM, bawolff wrote: > Yes, we certainly do have issues with follow-through on summit decisions. > *nod* > For me personally, I've found the dev summits mostly useful as a > community building type thing (For the MediaWiki developer community).

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

One aspect of the first MediaWiki architecture summit that I really liked but has been mostly lost, was inviting non-Wikimedia mediawiki users. They're a group that has use-cases that we don't often hear about, and provide a unique perspectives. Although I suppose its not surprising that their

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

> > Yes, I think we *should* provide a focus for the event, and that the focus > should be on users, use cases, and what we as developers need to do to > achieve those things. > > In my opinion we haven't had a strong focus to the event in the past, and > it's limited what we accomplish there to

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

I'm not a dev (by day job) but frequently attend hackathons and other coding events, and just wanted to detail what I do and what I've seen others do (without coding.) - write documentation - do rapid protosketching or user testing - write content for the platform/app - user test existing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thursday, September 1, 2016, Brion Vibber wrote: > On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: > >> Last year there was an attempt to sort of do this (mostly by extending the >> word "developer" to mean new things). Largely those types of

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 10:32 AM, Brian Wolff wrote: > Last year there was an attempt to sort of do this (mostly by extending the > word "developer" to mean new things). Largely those types of people didnt > attend (although there were a few exceptions), however I remember

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

On Thu, Sep 1, 2016 at 10:42 PM, Brion Vibber wrote: > Thoughts Great. I was thinking the same thing last time during WikiConference India too. We had couple of hackers hacking around in one room, and editors editing in another room. When some of us took time to go near

Re: [Wikitech-l] Opening up MediaWiki dev summit in January?

I like the concept. I wonder, if instead of having a standalone dev summit, it would make sense to have this broadly scoped conference be combined with or adjacent to Wikimania. Pine On Sep 1, 2016 10:12, "Brion Vibber" wrote: > The last couple years we've done a big