Re: [Wikitech-l] TitleValue
On Fri, Jan 24, 2014 at 11:19 AM, Nik Everett never...@wikimedia.orgwrote: At the architecture summit yesterday we had a conversation about the TitleValue proposal and the vast majority of folks thought it was a great start. Something like 10% of us thought the patch _might_ be a start down the path to Javaify MediaWiki. I was one of the 10%. We resolved to talk more about the commit before merging it because of the objections of our minority. I felt somewhat vindicated. I slept on it. Now I don't think we made the right choice. I think more discussion is a waste of time and we should just keep moving and try to catch the Javaification if it starts creeping in. Thank you for reconsidering, Nik. I fully support your proposal. The concern obviously remains valid, and with all of our eyeballs on the code and pre-merge review, we should be able to prevent disasters. Cheers! Siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Request for comments: Localisation format changes
Dear list readers, The Wikimedia Foundation teams for VisualEditor and Language Engineering have put together a document that proposes a change in the MediaWiki localisation format. Please provide your input at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Localisation_format We have also proposed to discuss this RfC in the upcoming RfC review meeting of 2013-12-18[1]. As far as we know, no time has been set for this meeting, yet. Thank you for your insights. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki 1.22.0 released
Here's the document I've thought to contain the Right Information for the past years: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Version_lifecycle On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 3:51 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On Fri, 2013-12-06 at 23:02 +, Markus Glaser wrote: I am happy to announce the availability of the first stable release of the new MediaWiki 1.22 release series. Congratulations! I'm wondering which older versions are still supported. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:DownloadMediaWiki lists 1.20.8 as legacy but not 1.21.3, but now also states that 1.20.x [...] was discontinued. If the latter is correct, does https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:MW_legacy_release_number need to be changed from 1.20.8 to 1.21.3? andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] List of namespaces used in mediawiki
How about this?
https://translatewiki.net/w/api.php?action=querymeta=siteinfosiprop=namespaces
Example:
ns id=14 case=first-letter subpages= canonical=Category
xml:space=preserveCategory/ns
ns id=1230 case=first-letter subpages= canonical=Mifos content=
xml:space=preserveMifos/ns
Cheers!
Siebrand
On Thu, Nov 21, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi,
Is there some effective way to retrieve a list of namespaces for a
wiki? In huggle we have that hardcoded now, but that kind of suck,
because every wiki can have some custom NS.
Example:
https://github.com/huggle/huggle3-qt-lx/blob/master/huggle/wikipage.hpp
//! Namespaces
enum MediaWikiNS
{
MediaWikiNS_Main,
MediaWikiNS_Talk,
MediaWikiNS_Project,
MediaWikiNS_ProjectTalk,
MediaWikiNS_User,
MediaWikiNS_UserTalk,
MediaWikiNS_Help,
MediaWikiNS_HelpTalk,
MediaWikiNS_Category,
MediaWikiNS_CategoryTalk,
MediaWikiNS_Mediawiki,
MediaWikiNS_MediawikiTalk,
MediaWikiNS_File,
MediaWikiNS_FileTalk,
MediaWikiNS_Portal,
MediaWikiNS_PortalTalk,
MediaWikiNS_Special
};
Is there a way to retrieve:
* Namespace original name (the english one which can be used on any
language wiki, like User or Talk) and its talk id
* Namespace localized name and its talk id (User talk for User)
* Namespace ID
for every namespace that is known by a wiki?
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Re: [Wikitech-l] CONFLICT (content): Merge conflict in RELEASE-NOTES-1.23
I recall someone on IRC (Bartosz or Tyler?) saying they have a python (?) script to make this work in their local repo, but not knowing how to get it in the server. On Tue, Nov 5, 2013 at 9:45 PM, Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org wrote: If this drives you barking mad too, fix it. Should be doable by injecting a bit of code here: http://git.wikimedia.org/blob/integration%2Fzuul.git/ac3ba4fe9f9dace5673a6537ef0d3ccf5a054ac7/zuul%2Fmerger.py#L71 I will personally build a statue in your honor --- Ori Livneh o...@wikimedia.org ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Should MediaWiki CSS prefer non-free fonts?
Thanks for making us aware of this, Brad. I've immediately removed an unneeded use in Translate and removed that entry from the list. One instance remains in the header monospace hack, could probably be changed to monospace, monospace. Can you please elaborate? Cheers! On Sat, Oct 26, 2013 at 6:43 PM, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) bjor...@wikimedia.org wrote: I came across Gerrit change 79948[1] today, which makes VectorBeta use a pile of non-free fonts (with one free font thrown in at the end as a sop). Is this really the direction we want to go, considering that in many other areas we prefer to use free software whenever we can? Looking around a bit, I see this has been discussed in some back corners[2][3] (no offense intended), but not on this list and I don't see any place where free versus non-free was actually discussed rather than being brought up and then seemingly ignored. In case it helps, I did some searching through mediawiki/core and WMF-deployed extensions for font-family directives containing non-free fonts. The results are at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Anomie/font-family (use of non-staff account intentional). [1]: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/79948 [2]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_Foundation_Design/Typography#Arial.3F_18136 [3]: https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44394 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] 2013 Datacenter RFP - open for submissions
This thread is getting off topic. As stated before: The RFC is for a datacenter in the United States. Can we please fork this thread for discussing: * What different copyright related implications datacenters in countries other than the United States have * What the consequences are for latency of datacenters that are not on the US west coast for certain countries, continents or areas Thanks. On Mon, Oct 21, 2013 at 3:49 PM, Jeremy Baron jer...@tuxmachine.com wrote: On Oct 21, 2013 8:32 AM, Dan Garry dga...@wikimedia.org wrote: I may just be spouting nonsense, but I've heard a few separate people mention to me that Iceland is an increasingly attractive place for hosting, as they're in the Schengen area (making it easy to get to) but *not* in the European Union (so not subject to EU laws on hosting data), it's got a lot of green energy, and cooling is cheaper because it's cold there. And how is the copyright situation? is there a counterpart to fair use (and is it as broad as in US?) or CDA 230? Anyway, Iceland irrelevant for this particular RFP (AIUI) but maybe it would be considered in a future req. -Jeremy ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Which MariaDB engine does Wikimedia use?
https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version shows Wikimedia may be using 5.5.30-MariaDB-mariadb1~precise-log https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-puppet most probably contains the technical details somewhere. On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 8:53 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: Does Wikimedia use InnoDB, Maria or something else as the database engine for its MariaDB servers? - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Which MariaDB engine does Wikimedia use?
I see I misread your question. Sorry about that... The answer is most likely somewhere in http://noc.wikimedia.org/conf/ On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 9:07 PM, David Gerard dger...@gmail.com wrote: On 16 October 2013 20:06, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Version shows Wikimedia may be using 5.5.30-MariaDB-mariadb1~precise-log Mmm. I thought that was just saying what the DB was announcing itself as, not what the engine was. https://github.com/wikimedia/operations-puppet most probably contains the technical details somewhere. It depends what the DBs were created as. This may not in fact be in Puppet. - d. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Language Engineering office hour on 2013-06-12 at 17:00 UTC/10:00 PDT
Reminder: This office hour will be in a little over an hour from the time of sending. On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 5:05 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: Event Details # Date: 2013-06-12 # Time: 1700-1800 UTC, 1000-1100 PDT #IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net The Wikimedia Language Engineering team [1] invites everyone to join the team’s monthly office hour on June 12, 2013 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT in #wikimedia-office. During this session we would be talking about some our recent activities and updates from the ongoing projects. The provisional agenda is outlined below. See you all at the IRC office hour! Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation Agenda # Introductions # Universal Language Selector - Phase 1 deployment was on Tuesday 2013-06-11 [2,3,4] # Universal Language Selector - Phase 2 and later # Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions can also be sent to siebrand at wikimedia dot org before the event, and will be addressed during the office hour. [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/FAQ [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] [X-POST] Universal Language Selector(ULS) Deployment - Phase 1
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 10:58 PM, Peter Coombe thewub.w...@googlemail.comwrote: What is the rationale for moving ULS from the personal toolbar to the interlanguage links on some sites? I find this change odd: * makes location and appearance of ULS inconsistent between sites * personal toolbar seems the conventional place for per-account settings and tools * features it is replacing like WebFonts live in the personal toolbar * interlanguage links are something rather different, taking the user to a wholly different site Thanks for asking, Peter. The options we considered are described in detail at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design#Location_for_the_selector . When we tested the top-right position for language settings, it generated confusion for users on wikis with inter-language links. The top-right area was a new language-related area and they expected content language to be changed from there. We were never really satisfied with the UI elements that WebFonts and Narayam added, so those are implemented in Universal Language Selector. In short, depending on the context, language selection may have different purposes: * For contexts where the language of content can be modified, the language list will be shown by default, and the trigger will contain a list of likely languages. * For contexts where the content language cannot be modified, the settings view is provided instead as default. Since inter-language links are not being initially replaced by the language selector for monolingual wikis such as Wikipedia, the Universal Language selector will not be used to change content language. Cheers! Siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Language Engineering office hour on 2013-06-12 at 17:00 UTC/10:00 PDT
Event Details # Date: 2013-06-12 # Time: 1700-1800 UTC, 1000-1100 PDT #IRC channel: #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.net The Wikimedia Language Engineering team [1] invites everyone to join the team’s monthly office hour on June 12, 2013 (Wednesday) at 1700 UTC/1000 PDT in #wikimedia-office. During this session we would be talking about some our recent activities and updates from the ongoing projects. The provisional agenda is outlined below. See you all at the IRC office hour! Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation Agenda # Introductions # Universal Language Selector - Phase 1 deployment was on Tuesday 2013-06-11 [2,3,4] # Universal Language Selector - Phase 2 and later # Q/A - We shall be taking questions during the session. Questions can also be sent to siebrand at wikimedia dot org before the event, and will be addressed during the office hour. [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Language_Engineering_team [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/FAQ [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector/Design ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Updated license for PHPStorm for MediaWiki developers?
Hi Sam, possibly others that maintain the free license for PHPStorm for MediaWiki developers. PHPStorm is telling me that the license will expire in 19 days. I was wondering if anyone was planning to request a license renewal and make it available to me and others that use PHPStorm for MediaWiki development. Can has new license? Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GLAM Wiki Toolset code review
It's a big one. I took a crack at PS2. 32 more comments. On Wed, May 8, 2013 at 6:23 PM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.orgwrote: On 04/17/2013 02:51 AM, Mathieu Stumpf wrote: Le 2013-04-16 18:25, Geer Oskam a écrit : Hi all, the GLAM Wiki Toolset-code is ready for its initial review. It can be found at: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/59405/ Please help us by taking a look at it. Cheers, Geer Oskam Europeana For those like me which are wondering what is it?, here is an informative copy of the README: GWToolset = A MediWiki extension that allows GLAMs the ability to mass upload content based on an xml file conta ining respective metadata about the content. The intent is to allow for a variety of xml schemas; se e the [extension page]( http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:GWToolset ) for further information. (All apologies if this was obvious to all other readers of this list) Thanks to Siebrand, Reedy, and Peachey88 for their reviews. There's a new patchset up as of today in case anyone wants to take a fresh look. -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] GSoC: next steps
That's awesome, Quim. Thanks for all your efforts, support, encouragement and guidance so far. The best is yet to come! May you enjoy many more alcohol-free drinks in celebration of future milestones passed. Cheers! Siebrand On Tue, May 7, 2013 at 8:40 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: Google just allocated slots and... On 05/05/2013 09:23 PM, Quim Gil wrote: Based on the feedback received from the mentors we are requesting 11 min 21 max ... WE HAVE GOT 21 SLOTS ALLOWED First: congratulations to everybody involved: mentors AND students. This number reflects succinctly how much someone like Google trusts you. Second: this relaxes a lot our selection process. Between this and OPW we can accommodate many good proposals. Third: still, we will keep standards high as we have done so far. Having 21 slots doesn't mean that we will take them blindly. We will continue asking questions to mentors and students about the feasibility of each proposal and we will consider accepted only those that have all the foundations in place. Last but not least: remember the important point about confidentiality. Now several projects might look pretty obvious candidates but this doesn't authorize anybody to leak / pre-announce our decisions made. Google is still the one that must announce all accepted GSoC projects first. PS: and now, if you don't mind, I'll go get some sophisticated alcohol-free drink to celebrate. Salut! -- Quim Gil Technical Contributor Coordinator @ Wikimedia Foundation http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/**User:Qgilhttp://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/User:Qgil __**_ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/**mailman/listinfo/wikitech-lhttps://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Help required for thinking of a project idea .
Hi Ishitva, Thank you very much for your interest. Please have a look at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Summer_of_Code_2013. This page answers your question and more! Cheers! On Sat, Apr 27, 2013 at 1:42 PM, ishitva goel ishitva.g...@yahoo.co.inwrote: Hello everyone I am interested in working for MediaWiki for Google Summer Of code 2013 , but I haven't been able to think of any idea yet . I don't know which project I can work upon . Please help me think of an idea , so that I can proceed with my proposal . Thank you Ishitva ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Interested in contributing to jQuery.IME
Thanks Kausal. Looking forward to your pull request! -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Op 23 apr. 2013 om 14:13 heeft KAUSHAL SINGH kaushal.sing...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hello, I have found an issue with mediawiki jquery.IME and have reported it on Github. https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime/issues/163 I am already working on it and will create a patch with my solution soon. On Mon, Apr 15, 2013 at 9:58 PM, KAUSHAL SINGH kaushal.sing...@gmail.comwrote: Hello, I am Kaushal, a student at the Indian Institute of Technology, BHU, Varanasi (B.Tech. 2014), in Electronics and Computer. I am experienced using Javascript/jQuery, PHP, HTML/5 and am a Web Application Development enthusiast. I came to know about Wikimedia via GSoC 2013 accepted organizations. I would like to work on idea of Extension/Plugin development for web Browsers and confidently submit an improvement proposal. I have already worked on few small extension development for Google Chrome. Have also gone through the jQuery Input Method Editor (jQuery.IME) on ' https://github.com/wikimedia/jquery.ime', and implemented on my local nginx server with PHP. Would also like to know and work on jQuery.IME next big improvements. I am familiar with: GIT, PHP, HTML, Database Systems (SQLite, MySQL, Postgres), virualenv, MVC design paradigm, OAuth2.0, ssl, linux, bash, also have good experience with Adobe Photoshop. I have a worked on quite much Web applications with complete frontend UI and backend management. I have an Amazon AWS account, and access to a VPS to deploy apps for demonstration. How can I start contributing to Wikimedia? Where do I carry out my subsequent communication, ask questions and share ideas? Looking forward to your response. My generic handle is: kaushal.singh07, kaushalsingh11, 'ksingh' on IRC -- With Kind Regards, Kaushal Kumar Singh B.tech Part III Electronics Engineering Indian Institute of Technology, B.H.U, Varanasi INDIA PIN-221005 Mo: +91 - 9839203380 E-Mail : kaushal.ksingh.ec...@itbhu.ac.in kaushal.sing...@gmail.com Skype : kaushal.singh07 -- With Kind Regards, Kaushal Kumar Singh B.tech Part III Electronics Engineering Indian Institute of Technology, B.H.U, Varanasi INDIA PIN-221005 Mo: +91 - 9839203380 E-Mail : kaushal.ksingh.ec...@itbhu.ac.in kaushal.sing...@gmail.com Skype : kaushal.singh07 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] test gossip
Very helpful, Sumana. I'd happily encourage more gossip of this type. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:40 AM, Sumana Harihareswara suma...@wikimedia.org wrote: A few things I learned recently by gossiping with WMF quality assurance people: We're deploying fresh code to the beta cluster ~50 times a day, or maybe even more often! https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:merged+project:%255Emediawiki.*+-owner:l10n-bot,n,z shows merged code to MediaWiki core extensions -- on every merge or every few minutes, we update the code on http://commons.wikimedia.beta.wmflabs.org/ and all the other beta cluster sites. So right now, beta is the best target for automated browser tests, but because of some configuration issues, http://test2.wikipedia.org/ is the best target for manual/exploratory testing. When you're writing automated browser tests (good setup instructions: https://github.com/wikimedia/qa-browsertests ), feature files are a plain-English communication tool; step definitions are where the magic happens. So, in features/ , there's step_definitions/ with .rb files, each corresponding to a feature file. Look through those for some idea of the neat stuff we can do these days. If you want ideas for useful automated browser tests to write, try looking at recently fixed bugs. That way we'll catch regressions. -- Sumana Harihareswara Engineering Community Manager Wikimedia Foundation ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Proper category collation support finally implemented!
Op 27 feb. 2013 om 23:50 heeft Bartosz Dziewoński matma@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Just yesterday I managed to get https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49776/ merged. Based heavily on Tim's work on the IcuCollation, it allows one to *finally* get articles to be correctly sorted on category pages for 67 languages based in latin, greek and cyrillic alphabets. Nice work, Bartosz. Thank you for all your efforts. Don't stop there, go for gold and beyond the three scripts you can read ;). Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] LQT and MediaWiki
Thanks for all your work on LQT so far, Alex. It's highly appreciated! I just reviewed 10 of 12 open patch sets. I merged 8, don't agree with a solution of one and have no opinion on another. One remaining was marked -1 already, the other ill probably get to one day soon. LQT has more than 200 open issues in bugzilla. 100+ are marked bug. For us at translatewiki.net, the most important one we would like to see fixed is bug 30698[1]. It's about watchers of a target page of a moved thread not being able to receive an email notification. A missing link in our support workflow, where we collect threads in a central location, then move them to pages for a specific supported product, where developers of that product can deal with open threads. Any one who would fix this, will of course get our eternal gratitude. [1] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/30698 Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Op 24 feb. 2013 om 15:29 heeft Krenair kren...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Report any bugs you find. I can't think of much else at the moment. Alex Monk On 24/02/13 05:02, maiki wrote: On 02/23/2013 03:07 PM, Krenair wrote: I'm trying to fix some of it's problems, but I need reviewers (who can and are willing to +2): https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/status:open+project:mediawiki/extensions/LiquidThreads,n,z I'll definitely try to keep up with any breaking core changes (like https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/49609/). It should remain usable. Alex Monk That's groovy, since I am about to install LiquidThreads for the first time. ^_^ Is there anything folks who deploy it can help with? maiki ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for accepting backported patch sets for maintained versions?
Hi Greg. Thanks for the reply. Unfortunately the references to Robla's e-mail clarify nothing: It only addresses things outside of the scope of my original questions, since, interpreting the text literally, you will only be responsible for code that is to be deployed on Wikimedia websites, which is always master, never a release branch meant for use by third parties. For the sake of clarity, I think it may be useful to repeat the original questions from this thread: A. Who can and will review and approve [..] submitted for backporting? (for clarity sake: to branches of supported point releases of MediaWiki, for example MediaWiki 1.19 and MediaWiki 1.20, which are not in use by Wikimedia). I thank Chad for doing that, and I acknowledge that many have the technical right to merge code into these branches, but that's not what I'm asking here. B. Who is MediaWiki's release manager, and what can we expect of the person who has that role? Given the information provided by Rob Lanphier, it's not the Wikimedia Release Manager Greg Grossmeier, as he's responsible for managing the deployment process for the Wikimedia websites. Siebrand On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 5:59 AM, Greg Grossmeier g...@wikimedia.org wrote: (apologies for the none-theading of this; I wasn't subscribed to wikitech-l with this address when this message/thread was sent) quote name=Mark A. Hershberger date=2013-02-19 time=23:09:18 On Tue 19 Feb 2013 04:39:25 PM EST, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: My longer term question is: Who is MediaWiki's release manager, and what can we expect of the person who has that role? I think the answer is now that Greg Grossmeier fills the role of MediaWiki's release manager so he will have to answer this. :-) This subject has come up a couple of times in the past week so I look forward to working with Greg to implement some policy around MediaWiki releases -- especially the point releases for 1.19, the LTS release. There is a lot to discuss and I look forward to those conversations. Hello! To make this explicit: Everyone: please do feel free to contact me (email or on IRC, I'm greg-g) with any ideas, concerns, breakthroughs, gotchas, whatever dealing with this topic. I might not be able to do anything about it now, and I might not be the right person to deal with it in all cases, but I can help route things and keep notes so that we don't lose track of good ideas. Generally, what can you expect from me in this new role? I hope the email robla sent announcing my position can clarify much of it: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2013-February/066672.html Quoting robla: Greg will be managing the deployment process for the Wikimedia websites, focusing at first on improving release notes and outbound communication, freeing up folks like Sam to focus the engineering aspects of the role. He'll help our Bug Wrangler (Andre) figure out how to deal with high priority deployment-related issues; Andre will continue to broadly manage the flow of all bugs, while Greg will narrowly focus on very high priority issues through fix deployment. He'll also take over coordination of our deployment calendar[1], and will likely be a little nosier than many of us have had the time to do. Over time, Greg will look more holistically at our deployment practice, and potentially lead a change over to a more continuous deployment model. Best, Greg -- | Greg GrossmeierGPG: B2FA 27B1 F7EB D327 6B8E | | [[User:Greg G (WMF)]] A18D 1138 8E47 FAC8 1C7D | ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Nominating Mark Hershberger as core maintainer
I've nominated Mark Hershberger as MediaWiki core maintainer in Gerrit. Please provide your feedback at the following URL: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Gerrit_project_ownership#hexmode_.2F_Mark_Hershberger_for_MediaWiki_core Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Who is responsible for accepting backported patch sets for maintained versions?
On Thu, Feb 21, 2013 at 4:19 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.orgwrote: On 02/21/2013 04:13 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) wrote: B. Who is MediaWiki's release manager, and what can we expect of the person who has that role? I had a conversation with Maria Miteva (Robla at least got copies of these emails) last week when she asked if I was planning on doing the release of MW 1.21 and whether https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MediaWiki_1.21 could point to me as the release manager for MediaWiki. I told her I was still planning on doing that release, probably shortly before going to Amsterdam. Yay! Thanks for that plan. I think a lot of the confusion here (including my own) comes from the decisions that have been made outside of the Foundation surrounding the future of MediaWiki itself. Yes, I agree. As these decisions have been made (LTS, MW's Release Schedule, etc.), it appears that the Foundation has become more focused on its goals -- Wikipedia and its sister sites -- and less concerned with the logistics of MediaWiki outside of the Foundations use. As Siebrand pointed out, this seems to extend to the description of the duties of the newly hired release manager. Absent an explicit statement from anyone inside Foundation, we've been a bit confused. So, I'll WP:Bold and answer Siebrand's question: I am MediaWiki's release manager. That makes me very happy, and creates at least some clarity. Thank you, Mark. Here is what you can expect of me: * Manage the release schedule. At least initially, I will be making the releases. * Work to get bugfixes backported to 1.19. I don't have Gerrit rights to commit to the REL1_19 branch, but that will keep me from fixing bugs by fiat. We also have REL1_20, of course. I have just nominated you to be added as a MediaWiki core maintainer. Feedback is requested at http://hexm.de/MarkForCore. * Champion features that non-WMF users want. This includes things like searching inside a category and a WYSIWYG editor. As a non-native speaker I sometimes have to look things up in a dictionary. In this case I found out that to champion means to fight for or defend a cause. Very noble of you. Please do ask for help, because those fights can be very lonely otherwise :). * Work with community members to triage non-security bugs in released versions of MediaWiki. Will it help if you get access to the Security area of bugzilla, or at least are informed of upcoming security fixes by Wikimedia employees on Mediawiki master? Up to now, Chris Steipp has done backports and made security releases when security issues were fixed on master and in Wikimedia deployments, but it is unclear to me if this support will continue. It's probably a good idea demand clarity on this, Mark. Is there something else the MW release manager should be doing? Let me know. We probably now expect the world of you, but there's nothing explicit I can think of at the moment. Is there anyone in the WMF who disagrees with this assessment? Now is the time to speak up. The above are my own opinions, and not necessarily those of any of my clients. Cheers! -- Siebrand M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Going to FOSDEM
Thanks for making that happen, Finne! I'll be there if my health plays nice. Directions: walk into the hallway at H2214, towards the restrooms, then go up the stairs. Cheers! -- Siebrand On 2-feb.-2013, at 13:12, Finne Boonen hen...@gmail.com wrote: from the FOSDEM ML: Should we grab one of these slots? Dear All, FOSDEM is nearing and it is promising to become awesome again. Like last year, we will provide two 'community meeting rooms' (formerly called BoF rooms). The concept is simple: any project/community can reserve a timeslot (15 minutes to an hour), during which they have the room just for them. It is meant for ad-hoc discussions, meet-ups or brainstorms. It is not a replacement for a devroom and it certainly is not meant for talks, so there will deliberately not be a projector. The rooms are cosy and small with around 30ish seats. Reservation can only be done on site and *during FOSDEM*. The reservation sheets are at the infodesk in the H building. The rooms are not far from that infodesk. Reservations are on a first-come, first-serve basis. See you soon, Tias Sent from my iPhone On 28-jan.-2013, at 23:50, Željko Filipin zfili...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Mon, Jan 28, 2013 at 11:29 PM, Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org wrote: If you bring a good jacket, the street outside is fine for chats. And remember to add with beer in every sentence of this paragraph. :) Warm jacket and cold beer it is then. :) What about staying around on Saturday at 18h, after the sessions? +1. fwiw my session is on Sunday at 15:35 (Ferrer - Lightning sessions) and I will stay in Brussels on Sunday night, with free agenda so far. I am also there on Sunday night, no plans so far. Željko ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] FOSDEM presentation - feedback welcome
Op 30 jan. 2013 om 21:29 heeft Quim Gil q...@wikimedia.org het volgende geschreven: On 01/30/2013 10:43 AM, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: 1. The number of languages into which the software is translated - over 300 Citation needed. ;) Yes let's add that number but all the better if we can have an exact number and the source to update it. https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:MessageGroupStats/core would be and authoratitive source. Siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcoming Runa Bhattacharjee
Welcome Runa. It's great that we can finally share the good news! -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Op 28 jan. 2013 om 22:10 heeft Alolita Sharma asha...@wikimedia.org het volgende geschreven: Hi Everyone, Please join me in welcoming Runa Bhattacharjee as the Language Engineering team’s outreach and QA coordinator. Runa will be responsible for the team’s language focused technical outreach activities as well as working with Wikimedia’s language communities to get feedback on internationalization and localization features being developed or deployed to Wikimedia sites. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Fwd: [MediaWiki-commits] SVN: [115794] GOODBYE
The king is dead. Long live the king! Begin doorgestuurd bericht: Van: de...@svn.wikimedia.org Datum: 25 januari 2013 17:49:02 CET Aan: mediawiki-...@lists.wikimedia.org Onderwerp: [MediaWiki-commits] SVN: [115794] GOODBYE Antwoord aan: wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Special:Code/MediaWiki/115794 Revision: 115794 Author: demon Date: 2013-01-25 16:49:01 + (Fri, 25 Jan 2013) Log Message: --- This is the way the world ends: Not with a bang but a whimper. Added Paths: --- GOODBYE Added: GOODBYE === --- GOODBYE(rev 0) +++ GOODBYE2013-01-25 16:49:01 UTC (rev 115794) @@ -0,0 +1,3 @@ + So long S-V-N + You have served us well for years + Look, now we use Git! ___ MediaWiki-commits mailing list mediawiki-comm...@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-commits ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] 2012-01-17 10:00 UTC: Knowledge transfer Solr in Translate by Niklas Laxstrom
On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 9:37 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: Date: Thursday 2013-01-17 Time: 10:00 UTC - 11:00 UTC What: Knowledge transfer Solr in Translate Where: Google Hangout (*send me a mail for an invitation*) Seats left: 5 (first come, first served, I'll overbook by 2) Over the past few months, we have started integrating MediaWiki's Translate extension tighter with Apache Solr for translation memory and translation search features. This session is primarily meant to transfer knowledge about the use of Solr in Translate to other members of the Wikimedia Language Engineering team. As we're doing it anyway, we thought we might as well invite more people that have and interest in the technology. A recording of the session is available now: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH902KsEYag Cheers! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] i18n deployment 2013-01-15
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.orgwrote: Is there a vague deadline when to have Translate + ULS deployed to all wikis that currently use Narayam + WebFonts (if that question makes sense)? There are no plans for widespread deployment of the Translate extension, i.e. beyond multi lingual projects that request it. The end goal is to have ULS deployed on all Wikimedia wikis, for all users. That may take a while, though, because caching challenges in squid and/or Varnish have to be tackled first. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] i18n deployment 2013-01-15
Hi Gerard. Interesting to hear from you. Op 14 jan. 2013 om 13:06 heeft Gerard Meijssen gerard.meijs...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Is there any idea when the ULS will be enabled on all projects ? No. As soon as is realistic. There are no hard targets that are worth communicating. What priority do the caching challenges have given the huge amount of people who stand to benefit in the USA (never mind the people in the rest of the world) ?? I was told that the Varnish solution will be explored by someone right after the data centre migration. Someone else is working on getting a squid patch together and get that submitted to the squid cache project for a short term solution. No estimated times to fix their either. Siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki Extension Bundles and Template Bundles
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 5:17 PM, bawolff bawolff...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 12:12 PM, Mark A. Hershberger m...@everybody.org wrote: On 01/14/2013 10:20 AM, Yuvi Panda wrote: ParserFunctions is already included, but I was going to bundle the following extensions in 1.21: * LocalisationUpdate How do you plan to get users to set it up? AFAIK it requires setting up a cron job, so its not exactly something that can automatically be set up by the installer. LU is also part of MLEB, which is released on a monthly basis: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/MLEB. This page also contains brief instructions on how to set things up. This bundle is maintained by the Wikimedia Language Engineering team, more specifically Niklas Laxström. Another bundle that I know of is SemanticBundle, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Semantic_Bundle, which is currently maintained by Yaron Koren and Jeroen De Dauw. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] i18n deployment 2013-01-15
On Mon, Jan 14, 2013 at 7:58 PM, Matthew Walker mwal...@wikimedia.orgwrote: do you have 30 minutes sometime this week where we could bash heads together and bring each other up to date on requirements/needs that sort of thing? Thanks for the reply, Matt. I'll follow-up off list. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] i18n deployment 2013-01-15
The following changes will be deployed to Wikimedia wikis on Tuesday 09:00 UTC (01:00 PST): * Backport of feature to Allow preferences that need not be rendered in Special:Preferences[1] to 1.21wmf7 * Update of extensions Translate[2] and UniversalLanguageSelector[3] to master in 1.21wmf7 * Disable extensions Narayam[4] and WebFonts[5] on all wikis with extension Translate enabled (see list below). Functionality of these extensions is superseded by that of UniversalLanguageSelector. * Enable extension UniversalLanguageSelector to be enabled on all wikis with extension Translate enabled (see list below) UniversalLanguageSelector will be enabled with: * $wgULSEnableAnon set to false (see bug 41451[6] for details) * $wgULSGeoService = false; List of wikis with extension Translate enabled and the changes besides the language selector: * bewikimedia (adds web fonts and input methods) * incubatorwiki * mediawikiwiki * metawiki (also adds web fonts) * outreachwiki (adds web fonts and input methods) * testwiki (also adds input methods) * wikidatawiki (also adds input methods) * wikimania2012wiki (also adds web fonts and input methods) * wikimania2013wiki (also adds web fonts and input methods) [1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/37395/ [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate [3] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Universal_Language_Selector [4] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Narayam [5] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:WebFonts [6] https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/41451 Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] 2013-01-17 10:00 UTC: Knowledge transfer Solr in Translate by Niklas Laxstrom
Date: Thursday 2013-01-17 Time: 10:00 UTC - 11:00 UTC What: Knowledge transfer Solr in Translate Where: Google Hangout (*send me a mail for an invitation*) Seats left: 5 (first come, first served, I'll overbook by 2) Over the past few months, we have started integrating MediaWiki's Translate extension tighter with Apache Solr for translation memory and translation search features. This session is primarily meant to transfer knowledge about the use of Solr in Translate to other members of the Wikimedia Language Engineering team. As we're doing it anyway, we thought we might as well invite more people that have and interest in the technology. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Apologies for delayed i18n/L10n review on Gerrit patch sets
Over the past week or so, I've found the review bot[1] created by Merlijn extremely helpful. It automatically adds me as reviewer to all patch sets that make changes to a file with i18n or Messages in the path. I try to review within 12 hours, but as I need to sleep, spend time with the family, eat and work on other stuff also, that sometimes doesn't happen. I'm also subscribed to the mailing list mediawiki-commits, which is a stream for *all* changes that come through Gerrit. Very high volume (200-400 e-mails a day), but very useful for the type of work I do. Hard to keep up with, too. Reviewer bot has malfunctioned a few times over the past few days. In those cases I was not added as a reviewer. Apologies if I failed to review your patch set. If you want to ensure that I have a look at it, please add siebrand to the reviewers of your patch set. Sometimes I'm able to also review patch sets other than i18n/L10n related, but because if a high workload, I sometimes decline requests for review that are outside of my direct scope. I hope you understand. Other users that can review your i18n related patch sets are Amir Aharoni, Niklas Laxström and Santhosh Thottingal. Feel free to send me a mail if you think your patch set should have gotten an i18n review already, but didn't. Rock on! [1] http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Git/Reviewers -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Plans for GNUnify 2013?
Op 9 jan. 2013 om 19:59 heeft Yuvi Panda yuvipa...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: GNUnify[1] is a popular FOSS conference that happens in India every year. Last year WMF had a pretty heavy presence at GNUnify. This year's CFP just opened up. Are there existing plans for the WMF to participate? [1]: http://gnunify.in/ Alolita, Santhosh, Niklas, Amir and I will attend. We will all be submitting talk proposals by the end of next week. Hope you'll be there, Yuvi! Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla Weekly Report
On Mon, Jan 7, 2013 at 4:00 AM, reporter repor...@kaulen.wikimedia.orgwrote: MediaWiki Bugzilla Report for December 31, 2012 - January 07, 2013 Status changes this week Bugs NEW : 520 Bugs ASSIGNED : 58 Bugs REOPENED : 39 Bugs RESOLVED : 177 Total bugs still open: 9050 Last week: 9031 (+19). At least 520 new, some 180 resolved. Where are the other 300+? Resolutions for the week: Bugs marked FIXED : 125 Bugs marked REMIND : 0 Bugs marked INVALID: 16 Bugs marked DUPLICATE : 15 Bugs marked WONTFIX: 9 Bugs marked WORKSFORME : 17 Bugs marked LATER : 0 Bugs marked MOVED : 0 According to the list above this one, 177 issues were resolved. Here we have 182 resolutions. Somewhere, 5 are missing. Specific Product/Component Resolutions User Metrics New Bugs Per Component General/Unknown 9 Special pages 7 General/Unknown 6 GuidedTour 4 General 3 With 500 new issues, and this being the top 5 (29 issues), we have at most 3 new items per remaining component (so that's at least 160 components with thee issues, or even more components with fewer issues). I know over bug tracker is very diverse, bug yhat comes across as very unlikely to me. Also, I count 5 new issues for Echo alone in the past week ( http://hexm.de/oe ). It's not in the above list. New Bugs Per Product MediaWiki 31 Wikimedia 21 MediaWiki extensions45 Datasets1 Security1 So we have 520 new issues. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/enter_bug.cgishows we have 21 products. In the top 5 most newly added issues, the lowest score is 1. So over the total of this list, there are at most another 16 new issues. The sum is at most 120. Where are the other 400 new issues? Top 5 Bug Resolvers aklapper [AT] wikimedia.org 23 jrobson [AT] wikimedia.org 13 krenair [AT] gmail.com 8 s.mazeland [AT] xs4all.nl 8 krinklemail [AT] gmail.com 7 I think I didn't resolve a single bug last week. Sure, I closed a few because I merged some patch sets, but hardly a reason to add my to this week's hall of fame. Does this report contain any data that can actually be trusted? Is anyone getting anything useful out of this report? -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Gerrit reviewer-bot
That's pretty nice, Merlijn. On Fri, Dec 28, 2012 at 8:24 PM, Tim Landscheidt t...@tim-landscheidt.dewrote: Alex Monk kren...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure is that useful, because Gerrit can already notify you of new changes for any project: https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/settings/projects What might be better is getting added as a reviewer when certain files/directories are changed (especially in mediawiki/core) [...] You can filter for those for example with the search expres- sion 'file:^.*[pP]ost.*$' as Only if. Unfortunately you can't test these beforehand as the file tag is not allowed in regular searches. Could you make it so that I can subscribe to a file pattern, too? I'd like to be added as a reviewer to all patch sets that include files with i18n in the name (unless it's a patch set by L10n-bot). I hope that you're excluding adding people as reviewer to all patch sets by user L10n-bot, by the way... -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Open Tech Chat stomorrow/s about NOW
Well, not really now, but starting in 15 minutes. Details at https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2012-12-13 and below. What: Wikimedia Open Tech Chat Where: Google Hangout/#wikimedia-dev (keep an eye on IRC or [1] for the hangout URL) Moderator: Rob Lanphier (robla on IRC) Presenters: * Chris McMahon: An update on browser test automation * Amir Aharoni: Internationalisation dos and don'ts * Pau Giner: Multilingual user testing Cheers! On Wed, Dec 12, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi there! Tomorrow at 20:30 UTC (12:30 PST, 21:30 CET, 02:00 IST) there will be another Wikimedia Open Tech Chat[1] on Google Hangout. This time there are three topics. I'd love to see you there. Please come! Topics: * An update by the Quality Assurance department on browser test automation * Internationalisation dos and don'ts: Why you should not merge your patch set, but request i18n/L10n review (Amir Aharoni) * Multilingual user testing for improving the Translate extension (Pau Giner) The Hangout URL will be published about 5 minutes in advance and QA can go through the #wikimedia-dev IRC channel on Freenode. If you're in San Francisco, consider joining in the flesh on the 6th floor of the Wikimedia Foundation SF office's Collab space. The session will last between 60 and 90 minutes. The session will be moderated by Rob Lanphier. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2012-12-13 -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Wikimedia Open Tech Chat tomorrow
Hi there! Tomorrow at 20:30 UTC (12:30 PST, 21:30 CET, 02:00 IST) there will be another Wikimedia Open Tech Chat[1] on Google Hangout. This time there are three topics. I'd love to see you there. Please come! Topics: * An update by the Quality Assurance department on browser test automation * Internationalisation dos and don'ts: Why you should not merge your patch set, but request i18n/L10n review (Amir Aharoni) * Multilingual user testing for improving the Translate extension (Pau Giner) The Hangout URL will be published about 5 minutes in advance and QA can go through the #wikimedia-dev IRC channel on Freenode. If you're in San Francisco, consider joining in the flesh on the 6th floor of the Wikimedia Foundation SF office's Collab space. The session will last between 60 and 90 minutes. The session will be moderated by Rob Lanphier. [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Meetings/2012-12-13 Cheers! P.s. Would you have read this mail sooner if its subject would have been Pictures of cute cats? Initially I was planning to give it this subject, but I changed my mind... Whatever the answer: Thanks for reading and do come! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Bugzilla upgrade [was: bugzilla.wikimedia.org downtime: Now.]
On Wed, Dec 5, 2012 at 8:53 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, Dec 4, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: bugzilla.wikimedia.org is operational again and is now running the latest stable version (4.2.4, before was 4.0.9). There's been some idle grumbling (myself included) that the new default of HTML e-mails is kind of yucky and people preferred the plaintext. Do others have thoughts? Should we turn the default back? I like that I can finally see what changed. I couldn't see that on my iOS mail apps. Now I can. So I like that part. I'd like to see the order of the fields optimized, but that's nothing critical. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] What other FLOSS projects does the WMF contribute to/collaborate with?
On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:28 PM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.org wrote: I'm helping to organize an 'intro to FLOSS' orientation module for new hires at the WMF with Tomasz Finc, and we're curious to know what all the projects are that the we collaborate with/contribute to. Just from my own experience working at the WMF, I know of a handful like Drupal, CiviCRM, Phonegap, Varnish, jQuery, Squid, Open Stack... but I'm very curious to know the others. OpenStreetMap, Gerrit, MySQL, Ubuntu (Faidon). ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Marking /trunk/extensions as read-only
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 2:28 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 6:52 PM, Platonides platoni...@gmail.com wrote: On 24/10/12 21:21, Chad wrote: I was wondering what people thought of marking /trunk/extensions in SVN as read only. Thoughts? I don't see the need for making it r/o. And if there's an issue with one of them, it could be fixed immediatly, instead of waiting for an import. Keeps new extensions from being committed to SVN. If something is still being maintained, it should be moved to Git. +1 -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Seeking feedback on new Organizations feature on Ohloh
Op 18 okt. 2012 om 08:23 heeft Quim Gil quim...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Brion, Siebrand and I are admins of the MediaWiki project on ohloh.net. Good to know. :) Do you want to contact Rich Sands from Ohloh? Do you want me to contact CCing you...? Yes and yes. Do you want to be project admin? Looks like you may be the better person to take care of this for now... I think you can hit a button somewhere to spam the other admins with a request for admin. -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Improving Documentation on Bug Report Management
Hi Andre, Can we please change the venue for this discussion? English Wikipedia is not used and/or visited by all. It seems to me that Meta-Wiki or mediawiki.org is a better place for this. Unless you're trying to establish English Wikipedia's documentation on bug management/triaging, in which case I misunderstood the scope of your proposal, for which I apologise. Cheers! Siebrand On Wed, Oct 10, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Andre Klapper aklap...@wikimedia.org wrote: Hi everybody, being WMF's new bug wrangler I would like to improve documentation on bug management/triaging in order to make it easier to get involved and understand how things work. As a side effect it will also help myself in understanding things better. :) Current content feels inconsistent and scattered across several wikis, plus after reorganizing I'd like to extend it with some pages I consider useful (e.g. starting a proper Triage Guide, and a page listing URLs of upstream bugtrackers). My (old but still valid) proposal is available at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump_%28technical%29/Archive_100#Improving_Documentation_on_Handling_Bug_Reports Not sure if I should also post this again in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Village_pump (and not sure in which section)? If anybody has (good/bad) recent experience with trying to get into bug management: Your feedback is very welcome. No comments means nobody has strong feelings and I'll simply go ahead. ;) Cheers, andre -- Andre Klapper | Wikimedia Bugwrangler http://blogs.gnome.org/aklapper/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Language Engineering Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Github replication
On Oct 3, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Chad innocentkil...@gmail.com wrote: Just letting everyone know: mediawiki/core is now replicating from gerrit to github. https://github.com/mediawiki/core Next step: extensions! Yay. Finally we're allowing the world to fix our code :). Can has Github-Gerrit merge?! ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] beta labs is now a fit test environment
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 10:43 AM, Chris McMahon cmcma...@wikimedia.org wrote: On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 11:37 AM, Arthur Richards aricha...@wikimedia.orgwrote: This is super awesome. This is something that could be useful for MobileFrontend, although I suspect there will need to be some additional configuration work to mimic how mobile requests get handled on the cluster. I'll ping Antoine :) Also, we'll have a Mobile QA person hired Real Soon Now, so more motivation to get things like this in place. A few questions... I love that we now finally have a way to test production changes on a non-production environment. 1. How can I get access to this environment, so I can fiddle with it, too (or is this done through test puppet changes or something? 2. Is it possible to simply clone another one of these environments, and if so, how is that done? Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Extensions still in SVN
On Fri, Sep 21, 2012 at 11:26 AM, Daniel Friesen dan...@nadir-seen-fire.com wrote: Where do we put all the extensions I made that people may be using but I haven't had a reason to make any modifications to in ages. In git. -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Invitation for Localisation team development demo 2012-09-04 15:00 UTC
For those who were not able to participate: Video: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_23_demo.ogv Slides: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_23_demo.pdf Next chance in two weeks :). Cheers! On Mon, Sep 3, 2012 at 9:10 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: You are invited to the Localisation team development demo on Tuesday 4 September 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: 08:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its deliverables from sprint 23[1]. After about 20 minutes of presentation, the remainder of the meeting is available for discussion. We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or friends you think are interested! This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to install any required plug-ins or software. Connection details and a quick link to add this meeting to your calendar can be found below the signature. Slides and the video of our previous sprint demo are also available[2,3]. [1] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/internationalization/cards/1072 [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_22_demo.pdf [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_22_demo.ogv -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate --- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) --- 1. Go to https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=15076568UID=41853448RT=MiM0 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. No password is required 4. Click Join. To view in other time zones, please click the link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=15076568UID=41853448ORT=MiMyMg%3D%3D To add this meeting to your calendar program, click this link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=15076568UID=41853448ICS=MILD=1RD=2ST=1SHA2=uFTn2pMnBAxcaLHkOpTnseK71m944AqUXSGYwV4PJ0M=RT=MiM0 -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Invitation for Localisation team development demo 2012-09-04 15:00 UTC
You are invited to the Localisation team development demo on Tuesday 4 September 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: 08:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its deliverables from sprint 23[1]. After about 20 minutes of presentation, the remainder of the meeting is available for discussion. We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or friends you think are interested! This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to install any required plug-ins or software. Connection details and a quick link to add this meeting to your calendar can be found below the signature. Slides and the video of our previous sprint demo are also available[2,3]. [1] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/internationalization/cards/1072 [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_22_demo.pdf [3] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_22_demo.ogv -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate --- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) --- 1. Go to https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=15076568UID=41853448RT=MiM0 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. No password is required 4. Click Join. To view in other time zones, please click the link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=15076568UID=41853448ORT=MiMyMg%3D%3D To add this meeting to your calendar program, click this link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=15076568UID=41853448ICS=MILD=1RD=2ST=1SHA2=uFTn2pMnBAxcaLHkOpTnseK71m944AqUXSGYwV4PJ0M=RT=MiM0 ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Call for Gerrit contractor
On Sat, Sep 1, 2012 at 3:15 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: In my response to Steven at the time [1], I indicated that we have a modest contractor budget for this work. The RFP is now posted here: http://hire.jobvite.com/Jobvite/Job.aspx?j=o4gIWfwIc=qSa9VfwQ Please let me know if you're interested (and apply if you're really interested). Also, please let me know if you have any questions. Great news, Rob. Looking forward to someone making Gerrit better for us. -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Status on MediaWiki 1.20 release?
Hi all, Wikimedia is at 1.20/wmf10 now. That means that it has been working with 1.20 alpha for the past 20 weeks. Isn't is about time we start preparing something usable called 1.20, 2.0, or whatever, for the outside world, too? Previous experiences tell us that getting something release ready takes at least 6 weeks, so we we'd want to have a stable release by end of October, we'll have to starting doing something very soon. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] MediaWiki security release: 1.19.2 and 1.18.5
Thanks, Chris. What's the reason for releasing before adding code to git? Correct me if I'm wrong, but were the point releases and the announcements also made before the fixes for the vulnerabilities hit master? If so, are you sure that's a good idea? On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 7:07 PM, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: REL1_19 is merged and tagged now. Apologies for the delay. I'm still working on getting REL1_18 finished. On Fri, Aug 31, 2012 at 3:59 AM, Niklas Laxström niklas.laxst...@gmail.com wrote: On 31 August 2012 07:55, Chris Steipp cste...@wikimedia.org wrote: I would like to announce the release of MediaWiki 1.19.2 and 1.18.5. These releases fix 6 security related bugs that could affect users of MediaWiki. Download links are given at the end of this email. I don't see updates in git REL1_19 branch nor does tag 1.19.2 exist. Same probably applies to 1.18. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] translatewiki.net configuration and scripts in Git
Dear all, Over the past few months, we have moved the configuration of translatewiki.net over to the translatewiki repository in Git/Gerrit[1,2]. Recently we also added maintenance scripts to that. So in case you're wondering how the magic of supporting the localisation of 20 or so open source projects with MediaWiki and the Translate extension is done, the veil is now lieften and you can see (almost[3]) everything we have set up. If you see anything that could use improvement, we would be happy to see your suggestions in the form of patches ;). Cheers! [1] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/gitweb?p=translatewiki.git;a=shortlog;h=HEAD [2] https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/q/project:translatewiki,n,z [3] https://translatewiki.net/wiki/Configuration -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Lua deployed to www.mediawiki.org
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 4:00 AM, Tim Starling tstarl...@wikimedia.org wrote: But Lua is so fast compared to wikitext that our Lua developers will have to exercise a lot of creativity to find applications that will exceed the performance limits. Famous words, kept in the archives forever :). Siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Code review statistics and trends
On Thu, Aug 23, 2012 at 3:37 AM, Rob Lanphier ro...@wikimedia.org wrote: Our Analytics crew have worked out how to generate a graph that gives us a view into our code review backlog: http://gerrit-stats.wmflabs.org/graphs/mediawiki Yay. I've been awaiting this. Great to have something now. These numbers seem to be +/- 10 revisions, and not evenly off over the history, so bear that in mind as you look at the numbers. In particular, it seems to paint a slightly rosier picture for how we're doing on keeping up with the backlog than we are.[2] The graph for new changesets fluctuates a lot. I would guess this is due to change sets submitted by user l10n-bot. Maybe it's a good idea to filter those out, to get a line that's a little easier to interpret. As of this writing, there's 207 revisions that have neither positive nor negative reviews associated with them. That's still seems like a pretty big number. 30 of those are more than a month old, and some date back to May. Add a third line that displays the open number of patch sets including comments? How is the process working for everyone? Is stuff getting reviewed quickly enough? How has it been for the reviewers out there? Review is a lot of work, especially if change sets are large. I try to do a lot of it, both i18n/L10n related, as well as easy patch sets. I don't consider myself a well enough developer to approve the harder/larger patch sets. For some of the deprecated methods replacements, I have recently teamed up with IAlex. Reciprocity works well in review. A few things are very, very annoying. Most annoying is that pushing directly to master still appears to be possible, which completely removes patch sets from sight. They're there when you pull, but one actually has to inspect the git log to see it's there and who dunnit. From what I understand, Chad is planning on plugging this hole, but it's not going quick enough for me. Cheers! Siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Invitation for Localisation team development demonstration 2012-08-21 15:00 UTC
You are invited to the Localisation team development demo on Tuesday 21 August 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: 08:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its deliverables from sprint 22[1]. After about 20 minutes of presentation, the remainder of the meeting is for discussion. We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or friends you think are interested! This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to install any required plug-ins or software. Connection details and a quick link to add this meeting to your calendar can be found below the signature. Slides of our previous sprint demo are also available[2]. [1] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/internationalization/cards/1071 [2] https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_21_demo.pdf -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate --- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) --- 1. Go to https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=183453277UID=1297933382RT=MiMyMg%3D%3D 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. No password is required 4. Click Join. To view in other time zones, please click the link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=183453277UID=1297933382ORT=MiMyMg%3D%3D To add this meeting to your calendar program, click this link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=183453277UID=1297933382ICS=MILD=1RD=2ST=1SHA2=kNl8D6AcQ4btV9qDHhL-oDcEv-g0qy803klHuaaLpfo=RT=MiMyMg%3D%3D ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Can we make an acceptable behavior policy? (was: Re: Mailman archives broken?)
Op vrijdag 17 augustus 2012 schreef Ryan Lane (rlan...@gmail.com) het volgende: I get that our community tends to accept this kind of behavior, but I think we should really put effort into coming up with some method of discouraging people from acting this way. I've long advocated for adopting toolserver-l's mailing list etiquette guideline on all Wikimedia mailing lists. It's available here: https://wiki.toolserver.org/view/Mailing_list_etiquette. That guideline basically just says don't top post. It doesn't really address aggressive, offensive or hostile behavior, which is something we actually have a problem with. We have this problem on basically all of our lists, so I'm not saying it's limited to this one. Isn't the friendly space policy[1] something that can be applied here? If that policy is slightly adapted so that online spaces are also covered, we don't have to invent YACoC[2]. [1] http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Friendly_space_policy [2] yet another code of conduct Cheers! Siebrand -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] [RFC] Abstract table definitions
Hey Daniel, As far as I know this is something lying on a shelve somewhere (ie probably a branch in core's svn, as, IIRC, Chad, was close I completing this once a year or two ago. -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Op 18 aug. 2012 om 19:52 heeft Daniel Friesen li...@nadir-seen-fire.com het volgende geschreven: We've got a nice abstract query system but our table creation and migrations are horrible. We re-write them for multiple database engines. And as a result extensions need to do the same and often don't. Leading to things being a mess for databases other than MySQL. While I was doing the sites stuff a syntax for defining tables came to mind and I wrote out an RfC for a method of defining our database abstractly. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Abstract_table_definitions -- ~Daniel Friesen (Dantman, Nadir-Seen-Fire) [http://daniel.friesen.name] ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] jQuery 1.8
Was merged into master/1.20alpha today actually. -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Op 11 aug. 2012 om 19:01 heeft Tyler Romeo tylerro...@gmail.com het volgende geschreven: Hey, Not sure whether this has been discussed previously, but are there any plans on when MediaWiki is going to upgrade to jQuery 1.8? *--* *Tyler Romeo* Stevens Institute of Technology, Class of 2015 Major in Computer Science www.whizkidztech.com | tylerro...@gmail.com ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Invitation for Localisation team development demonstration 2012-08-07 15:00 UTC
Someone managed to cancel our demo in WebEx. Apologies. The demo link is https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=182512652UID=1294182757RT=MiMyMg%3D%3D The demo will start in 5 minutes or less. On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 9:00 AM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: You are invited to the Localisation team development demo on Tuesday 8 August 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: 08:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its deliverables from sprint 21[1]. As there were no demos for the previous two sprints because of Wikimania and holidays, work from those sprints will also be covered. After about 20 minutes of presentation, the remainder of the meeting is for discussion. We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or friends you think are interested! This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to install any required plug-ins or software. Connection details and a quick link to add this meeting to your calendar can be found below the signature. [1] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/internationalization/cards/1070 -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate --- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) --- 1. Go to https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=182389302UID=1293732427RT=MiMyMw%3D%3D 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. No password is required 4. Click Join. To view in other time zones, please click the link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=182389302UID=1293732427ORT=MiMyMw%3D%3D To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft Outlook), click this link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=182389302UID=1293732427ICS=MILD=1RD=2ST=1SHA2=z3ZN/33nkT8xunS6/c0htwByDfaEDkmwIInZgdcbw04=RT=MiMyMw%3D%3D -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Invitation for Localisation team development demonstration 2012-08-07 15:00 UTC
You are invited to the Localisation team development demo on Tuesday 8 August 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: 08:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its deliverables from sprint 21[1]. As there were no demos for the previous two sprints because of Wikimania and holidays, work from those sprints will also be covered. After about 20 minutes of presentation, the remainder of the meeting is for discussion. We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or friends you think are interested! This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to install any required plug-ins or software. Connection details and a quick link to add this meeting to your calendar can be found below the signature. [1] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/internationalization/cards/1070 -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate --- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) --- 1. Go to https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=182389302UID=1293732427RT=MiMyMw%3D%3D 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. No password is required 4. Click Join. To view in other time zones, please click the link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=182389302UID=1293732427ORT=MiMyMw%3D%3D To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft Outlook), click this link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=182389302UID=1293732427ICS=MILD=1RD=2ST=1SHA2=z3ZN/33nkT8xunS6/c0htwByDfaEDkmwIInZgdcbw04=RT=MiMyMw%3D%3D ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Are you doing something that slows Wikipedia down?
I'm not sure if it's really needed to find out *if* site speed influences visits. They do, and they are very heavily influenced by site speed. Effects of Website Speed on Revenue Experience - Shopzilla increased page load time from 6 seconds to 1.2 seconds and increased revenue by 12% and page views by 25%. - Amazon increased revenue by 1% for every 100 milliseconds of improvement. - AOL documents that visitors in the top 10th percentile of site speed viewed 50% more pages than visitors in the bottom 10th percentile. - Yahoo! increased traffic by 9% for every 400 milliseconds of improvement. - By reducing the website by 2.2 seconds Mozilla estimates that 60 million more Firefox downloads occur every year. Source: Make Data Useful by Greg Linden at Amazon Some of these numbers are already a few years old. I wouldn't be surprised if the numbers are even bigger these days. -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Op 3 aug. 2012 om 22:02 heeft Steven Walling swall...@wikimedia.org het volgende geschreven: A somewhat cheeky subject line, I know, but I wanted to get people's attention. Let me explain: My team's job is to run experiments that tell us why Wikipedia editors stay or leave.[1] One of the conclusions we've come to is that we have zero data on how site performance impacts editor retention (IP editors included). We could throw all our energy into building cool new features, but if people still have a frustrating experience because contributing is appreciably slower than reading (for purely technical reasons), we have no idea what the net loss is. We really need to know what the numbers here are, not just assume that slower is bad in an unquantifiable way. We could get a measure of this by artificially slowing down the site for a subset of users, but we'd rather not do that for obvious reasons. So my proposal is this: if you're going to deploy anything that you think might effect English Wikipedia site performance, positive or negative, tell us beforehand and we'll measure its impact on users for you. -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Welcoming Srikanth Lakshmanan to the i18n engineering team
A most warm welcome, Srikanth. Great to have you on board! -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Op 1 aug. 2012 om 19:22 heeft Alolita Sharma asha...@wikimedia.org het volgende geschreven: Hi All, Please join me in welcoming Srikanth Lakshmanan as outreach coordinator/QA engineer (contractor) in WMF’s Internationalization (i18n) / Localization (L10n) engineering team. As the team’s technical liaison, Srikanth will be actively reaching out and working with our language communities to get feedback on new i18n/L10n features being planned or rolled out to Wikimedia sites. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Invitation for Localisation team development demonstration 2012-06-26 15:00 UTC
Apparently it's hard for me to get both dates and times right in the same mail. Apologies for the incorrect date in the subject. This demo is in 15 minutes. Siebrand On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 11:47 PM, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: You are invited to the Localisation team development demo on Tuesday 26 June 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: 08:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its deliverables from sprint 18[1]. After about 20 minutes of presentation, the remainder of the meeting is for discussion. We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or friends you think are interested! This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to install any required plug-ins or software. Connection details and a quick link to add this meeting to your calendar can be found below the signature. [1] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/internationalization/cards/710 --- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) --- 1. Go to https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=179507597UID=1282558597RT=MiM0 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. No password is required 4. Click Join. To view in other time zones, please click the link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=179507597UID=1282558597ORT=MiM0 To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft Outlook), click this link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=179507597UID=1282558597ICS=MILD=1RD=2ST=1SHA2=jx97zDEmgtVl-/6vrbG0bNWXRkgwP1hqEwW79py8/CU=RT=MiM0 https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=178330947UID=1277985032ICS=MILD=1RD=2ST=1SHA2=szvi7CAvvFyCYdQ8AKxQKGnqcqY6E1tMevwjW70wv1M=RT=MiMyMg%3D%3D -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Invitation for Localisation team development demonstration 2012-06-16 15:00 UTC
You are invited to the Localisation team development demo on Tuesday 26 June 2012 at 15:00 UTC (other time zones: 08:00 PDT, 17:00 CEST, 20:30 IST). This meeting will take 40 minutes at most. In this meeting the Localisation team will present its deliverables from sprint 18[1]. After about 20 minutes of presentation, the remainder of the meeting is for discussion. We hope you can attend, and please invite any other colleagues or friends you think are interested! This meeting will be held using WebEx. Please ensure that you log in a few minutes before the meeting starts, so that you have time to install any required plug-ins or software. Connection details and a quick link to add this meeting to your calendar can be found below the signature. [1] https://mingle.corp.wikimedia.org/projects/internationalization/cards/710 -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate --- To join the online meeting (Now from mobile devices!) --- 1. Go to https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=179507597UID=1282558597RT=MiM0 2. If requested, enter your name and email address. 3. No password is required 4. Click Join. To view in other time zones, please click the link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=179507597UID=1282558597ORT=MiM0 To add this meeting to your calendar program (for example Microsoft Outlook), click this link: https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=179507597UID=1282558597ICS=MILD=1RD=2ST=1SHA2=jx97zDEmgtVl-/6vrbG0bNWXRkgwP1hqEwW79py8/CU=RT=MiM0 https://wikimedia.webex.com/wikimedia/j.php?ED=178330947UID=1277985032ICS=MILD=1RD=2ST=1SHA2=szvi7CAvvFyCYdQ8AKxQKGnqcqY6E1tMevwjW70wv1M=RT=MiMyMg%3D%3D ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Bugzilla down
Hi everyone, It looks like bugzilla.wikimedia.org is unreachable at the moment. I'm assuming the right people are already aware of it, but as I cannot create a bug for this, I thought I'd let you know :). On IRC the last change reported in bugzilla is of about 07:30 UTC, about 2.5 hours ago. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage notes
The triage was held on Wednesday, May 9, 16:00UTC in #mediawiki-i18n on Freenode IRC. About 6 people participated, and about 15 lurkers appeared in the channel. Thanks to all people that participated. We had prepared[1] some 10 topics, and were able to cover about three. Please find below the notes for the Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage. The etherpad may provide additional information. * https://bugzilla.wikedia.org/36591 -- Integration of CentralNotice with Translate extension. We expected a lot of support for this, and got it. We mainly tried to get a good feel of what a Meta CentralNotice administrator does with translations, and where the pain points are. The Localisation team will be performing a functional analysis in the current sprint, and document user stories for future development. * Moving translated pages around between wikis. Use case: Pages are translated at Meta-Wiki and have a target of wikimediafoundation.org. There wasn't a clear consensus on if and how this could be automated. Suggestions were made to use scary transclusion, transwiki import, or plain copy-paste. * New functionality for translator registration and translation notification. Jon Harald Søby wrote an interesting post about this today: http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/translators-l/2012-May/002011.html. This all resulted in the following new issues reported: * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36820 -- The first field on https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:NotifyTranslators should only contain non-discouraged pages * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36821 -- Notification e-mail should be more personal and specific (1) Fix wording and parameters in sentence: You are receiving this e-mail because you signed up as a translator to [Your notified language(s)] on SITENAME. (list of localised language names). If not notified about all signed up languages, then only the matched languages from Special:TranslatorSignup should be added. (2) Change link part: language=FirstMatchedNotifiedLanguageCode. If one is signed up for German, French and Spanish, and French and Spanish are notified, then two links should be added in the e-mail; one to French, one to Spanish (listed with * prefix?). (3) Signature should be changed. Currently says SITENAME staff. This should be SITENAME translation administrators. * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36822 -- Add timestamp to talk page message The talk page message must be updated. (1) Items from bug 36821 also apply. Additionally: (2) For talk page messages, a timestamp should be added after SITENAME translation administrators. * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36823 -- Filter source language signups from notifications On Special:TranslatorSignup, users can sign up for only English, too. That doesn't really make sense, but it's a valid use case. At least then we know they cannot help in making translations :). However, it doesn't make sense to ask them to visit something like https://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3ATranslatetaction=translategroup=page-Donor+policylanguage=enlimit=100task=view, as they'll get the message English is the source language.. (1) Translators signed up for a site's content language (or later possibly the notified page's language) should not be notified. They can of course get a notification in English for another language they signed up for, because that's their primary language. * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36824 -- Show only open production wikis in the wiki selector on Special:TranslatorSignup Not sure if this should be a CentralAuth feature request going something like Add method to only deliver list of open production wikis with attached accounts. Feel free to refile. I wouldn't like to have to filter in TranslationNotifications; that doesn't really make sense. Special:TranslatorSignup currently shows a list with wikis with attached accounts for the current user. For https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth/siebrand, this for example contains wikis like: * test2.wikipedia.org (non-production) * en.labs.wikimedia.org (non-production) * wikimania[2009|2010|2011].wikimedia.org (outdated) * ten.wikipedia.org (outdated) * aa.wikipedia.org (locked) (1) Provide a list with on Special:TranslatorSignup, through CentralAuth that only contains open production wikis. * https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/36825 -- Make translated page source more easily accessible On http://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special%3AMessageGroupStatsx=Dgroup=page-Terms+of+usesuppressempty=1language=es. if you could fix that somehow so that there's a direct link tohttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Terms_of_use/asthttp://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terms_of_use/astaction=edit to view the source to copy andhttp://meta.wikimedia.org/w/index.php?title=Terms_of_use/astaction=history to have a quick review of the history Niklas suggests to provide a plain text export of the page source via the Export tab. *
[Wikitech-l] IRC office hours with the Localisation team 2012-05-23 16:30 UTC
Hi everyone, You're invited to the IRC office hours with the Localization team [1] at the Wikimedia Foundation. Date: 2012-05-23 Time: 16.30 UTC Venue: #wikimedia-office As usual, more logistical info and time conversion links are available on Meta.[2] For a taste of what the localization team has been up to, I highly recommend the following links: * https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Universal_Language_Selector * https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Wikimedia_Localisation_team_Sprint_15_demo.pdf Thanks, and we hope to talk to you next week! [1] https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localisation_team [2] https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Language codes vs site codes
Hi Denny, On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 3:36 AM, Denny Vrandečić denny.vrande...@wikimedia.de wrote: (Siebrand, I am unsure if this will arrive at mediawiki-i18n, feel free to forward it you consider it interesting to them). It does after the list admin approves it, but you may just want to subscribe[1]. OK, I've written a few lines of Python [1] which actually helped me answer my questions. Sorry to bother. And the answers are yes, yes, no, but close, and i hope so. No problem. We like people answering their own question. More time for us to do other things :). There are a small number of wikis which use a different language code than their site code is, namely: crh - crh-latn als - gsw be-x-old - be-tarask roa-rup - rup simple - en There are a few more, actually. See includes/DefaultSettings.php, $wgDummyLanguageCodes. But, at the same time, the given *site* codes exist as *language* codes as well, i.e. the languages/messages files exist for them, but they just fallback to the given language code (i.e. MessagesAls.php just names gsw as a fallback). That's an issue with the Wikimedia setup, I guess. If the language code could be different from the subdomain name, that is what should be done. It's probably not as simple as it looks. See next item. I would not be surprised if each of these five examples would have an anecdote to explain why they are the way they are :) That, and a past in which there was less attention for trying to stick to a particular standard. Doesn't really matter, we're stuck with it for now, and should try to not make it worse, and fix it on the long run. For the 5+ years that I'm involved in MediaWiki development, there have been requests to rename wikis to more appropriate subdomain names, but for some reason, no progress has been made on it yet. These 10+ requests are tracked in https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/19986. P.S.: There is one thing I do not understand though. According to https://simple.wikipedia.org/w/api.php?action=querymeta=siteinfo the language of simple.wp is en, but MessagesSimple.php seems to be taken into account (instead of edit it has change in the UI, one of only two changes in MessagesSimple to MessagesEn). Thanks for mentioning. That shouldn't have been there. Fixed in https://gerrit.wikimedia.org/r/#/c/7035/. So it seems that the language is simple -- why does it say en in the siteinfo? Because it *is* English. It just should be English with a reduced vocabulary. There have been many debates in the past over its usefulness, and if possibly other languages should also get a simple vocabulary Wikimedia project (and subdomain). This is just for reference, please do not comment on this in this thread, but start a new one if you'd wish to discuss simple language versions. Not sure if this made your insight clearer, but at least I hope I was able to add some details :). [1] https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/mediawiki-i18n Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
Re: [Wikitech-l] Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage
Just a quick reminder. This is about two hours from the time this e-mail was sent. What: Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage When: Wednesday, May 9, 16:00UTC Time zone conversion: http://hexm.de/ir Where: #mediawiki-i18n on freenode Use http://webchat.freenode.net/ if you don't have an IRC client Notes will (and some preparation of topics) are on http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-i18n-2012-05. Cheers! Siebrand On Thu, May 3, 2012, Siebrand Mazeland (WMF) smazel...@wikimedia.org wrote: You are invited to a bug triage on Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation Localisation team. This will be a one hour meeting. The intended audience is very broad: translators, translation administrators, and developers. We will discuss the current state of translation tools on Meta-Wiki and mediawiki.org, and with your input we will try to map out which features and issues will be most helpful to streamline the translation process for things like documentation, policies, sitenotices, fundraiser messaging and appeals, and other non-primary project content* material that benefits from being available in as many languages as possible. Please forward this e-mail to anyone who may be interested. They are most welcome to join in. * Translating main namespace articles for Wikipedia and other projects is still out of scope for now. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Many bug reports referencing WTA
The past day I've seen a hand full of i18n related bug reports that mention WTA. I've replied to most, and also asked what WTA was. No replies yet. In total there have been some twenty reports, I think, I found something on Chris McMahons talk page, and just found Chris' blog post on it: http://chrismcmahonsblog.blogspot.com/2012/05/weekend-testing-for-wikipedia-may-5.html limking to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/QA/WTA_Test_Plan. Noting in this mailing list's archive, though. Most of them seemed related to content or of relative low quality accusing them not to be immediately actionable (missing details like steps to reproduce, observations and expectations, or screenshots). I like the initiative. I do wonder if it could have been embedded in the community more. Any comments? -- Siebrand Mazeland M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage
What: Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools bug triage When: Wednesday, May 9, 16:00UTC Time zone conversion: http://hexm.de/ir Where: #mediawiki-i18n on freenode Use http://webchat.freenode.net/ if you don't have an IRC client You are invited to a bug triage on Meta and mediawiki.org translation tools hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation Localisation team. This will be a one hour meeting. The intended audience is very broad: translators, translation administrators, and developers. We will discuss the current state of translation tools on Meta-Wiki and mediawiki.org, and with your input we will try to map out which features and issues will be most helpful to streamline the translation process for things like documentation, policies, sitenotices, fundraiser messaging and appeals, and other non-primary project content* material that benefits from being available in as many languages as possible. Please forward this e-mail to anyone who may be interested. They are most welcome to join in. * Translating main namespace articles for Wikipedia and other projects is still out of scope for now. Cheers! -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] FW: Reminder: IRC office hours with the localization team 2011-02-21 18:00 UTC
-- Forwarded message -- From: Steven Walling swalling at wikimedia.org Date: Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 10:46 AM Subject: IRC office hours with the localization team, on International Mother Language Day To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org Hi everyone, I just wanted to give some advance notice about IRC office hours with the localization team [1] at the Wikimedia Foundation, which will be aptly held on International Mother Language Day.[2] Date: 2011-02-21 Time: 18.00 UTC Venue: #wikimedia-office As usual, more logistical info and time conversion links are available on Meta.[3] For a taste of what the localization team has been up to, I highly recommend the blog posts they've been writing regularly.[4] Thanks, and we'll talk to you later this month! -- Steven Walling, Wikimedia Foundation 1. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Localisation_team 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mother_Language_Day 3. https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/IRC_office_hours 4. http://blog.wikimedia.org/c/technology/features/internationalization-and-localization/ -- Steven Walling https://wikimediafoundation.org/ ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] i18n triage report
Please find the report on the latest[1] i18n triage below. The rough notes are on etherpad: http://etherpad.wikimedia.org/BugTriage-i18n-2012-01. Thanks go to the participants liangent, Nemo_bis, srikanthlogic, OrenBo, ^demon, aharoni, Nikerabbit, santhosh and hexmode. We covered three main topics: WebFonts, Narayam and Translate. WebFonts -- Support WebFonts for Chinese -- This topic does not yet have a bugzilla entry. Because of the complexity, it was agreed that Liangent and Santhosh would discuss firther. Availability of fonts for Chinese and their potential large size is an issue. This will require some more discussion to understand the issue more clearly and to think about solutions -- there are more than 47.000 characters involved. Liangent suggested Font Subsetting -- creating downloadable fonts tailored for a pageon the fly -- but there are multiple issues with that. Narayam input methods https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31904 -- Bamini keyboard map needs fix: We are looking for a community member to validate the mapping. srikanthlogic volunteered to track somebody down. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32029 -- Some vowel combination in Sinhala Wijesekara need to be corrected: We are looking for a community member to validate the mapping. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33243 -- Narayam IME on fails to replace English characters on mobile: This report contains at least two separate issues. For tracking purposes, that's not great; one should be split off. Because of the multitude of mobile and tablet devices, each with their own resolution, screen dimension and aspect ratio, something like Narayam on mobile will probably not be a one size fits all solution, like it is implemented on desktop browsers. Siebrand will open a discussion with the mobile team on what we think we can do with input methods on mobile devices. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33300 -- Unwanted activation which disables user's ability to type: It's unclear how to proceed with this. We are thinking about something visual in the proximity of the text area or input field. This needs to be discussed with UI/UX people. Siebrand will follow up, and UI/UX designers have been CC-ed on the issue, but have not yet added their thoughts. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33480 -- Add Telugu Transliteration input method to Narayam: A Telugu community member/developers is needed to port the existing input method gadget to Narayam. Hexmode will chase down a tewiki user/dev. Script to automate transliteration help maps -- This topic does not yet have a bugzilla entry. srikanthlogic suggested this for transliteration tables liike http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Narayam/Tamil/Transliteration. Opinions differ on if this would contribute anything valuable, as each transliteration schema is different, and these tables may always need to be created manually. Siebrand to schedule a session to discuss this further. Translate https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31632 -- When re-marking translatable page for translation, old version of the pages might be shown: It looks like this behaviour is no longer observed. The issue was closed. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/31695 -- Support Google Translate V2 API: Google has deprecated and limited use of the Translate V1 API. We're looking for a volunteer to update the interface, but one has not been found yet. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/32983 -- Page protection leads to issue in translatable pages: It looks like Translate may be missing a hook or it might be using the wrong hook. We're planning on asking Roan for help. https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/33647 -- Translate popups with insufficient height: This appears to be an intermittent, but annoying issue. During the triage no additional understanding has arisen. Anyone with information that may reliably reproduce this issue is requested to please add steps and details in bugzilla. Cheers! In February, there will be another Localisation and internationalisation bug triage. [1] http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/mediawiki-i18n/2012-January/000383.html -- Siebrand Mazeland Product Manager Localisation Wikimedia Foundation M: +31 6 50 69 1239 Skype: siebrand Support Free Knowledge: http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Donate ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l
[Wikitech-l] Report on WebFonts deployment
Dear all, My apologies up front for the long e-mail that follows. In this e-mail you will find a comprehensive status overview of the recent WebFonts deployment. On Monday December 12 at 18:00 UTC we deployed the extension WebFonts[1] to 40 wikis in 11 Indic languages and Wikimedia Incubator -- all wikis in Assamese, Bengali, Gujarati, Hindi, Kannada, Marathi, Nepali, Oriya, (Eastern) Punjabi, Sankrit and Telugu have WebFonts now. WebFonts was not deployed on Malayalam and Tamil projects. The reason for this was that community members had requested us not to. We are confident that in time, the communities will request that WebFonts is enabled on their projects. WebFonts aims to resolve the issue that users see incomplete web pages, because the fonts to properly render the page is not present in the local system by downloading the font through the browser. One of our great challenges developing this functionality is the multitude of scripts and the low availability of freely licensed fonts that may be modified and redistributed. Over the past few months we have tried to build out a collection of fonts in the extension mainly for Indic languages, and we have performed many tests. We have solicited community involvement through messaging in village pumps, e-mails on mailing lists, blog posts on personal blogs as well as on the Wikimedia Foundation blog, at developer events, through personal e-mails and through our bug tracker, and gotten some feedback, although unfortunately not for all the languages we would like to have gotten it for. We will of course continue our efforts in this area. Next to the community involvement, we have had a two day session with the Red Hat Localisation team in Pune, India. Since the deployment, we have been criticised for not communicating enough -- or not through the right channels, not with the right people, not in time, or too soon, or not with the right messages. I'm not really sure how to respond to that, except for uttering a general mea culpa, mea maxima culpa. We are working really hard in continuously improving the work that we do, and the way that we do it. We make mistakes, we are human after all, and when we become aware of our mistakes, we will do everything in our power to make it better. With our team we support the mission of the Wikimedia Foundation to imagine a world in which every single human being can freely share in the sum of all knowledge. I care about that -- a lot. We all care, and I am pretty certain that we're not ignorant, dismissive or incapable. I acknowledge that we as the Localisation team are a relatively new entity within the MediaWiki development community and within the Wikimedia Foundation, with a very wide scope, and that we are dealing with a lot of technical details on which we are simply not able to assess the final quality; there are after all 7.500 languages in this world of over 7 billion people that we theoretically all cover, some 350 of those languages are supported in MediaWiki, and 280 within Wikimedia. I accept that we cannot keep everybody happy -- doesn't keep us from trying, though. I want to try and work with as many people as possible in a constructive way. With these numbers, that's not always easy to coordinate. To channel the input on languages, we have set up Language Support Teams[2]. We do not yet have a language support team for every language. Please sign up if you care about the technical facilitation of your language in the Wikimedia movement. Let's use the mediawiki-i18n mailing list[3] to have constructive discussions about language support. Let's use the #mediawiki-i18n IRC channel[4] on Freenode to have real-time discussions. Let's use bugzilla.wikimedia.org to report bugs[5]. Link [5] explains the bug reporting procedure. If you already know how, report issues quickly using this link: http://ur1.ca/6ov9a . Since the deployment, we have been made aware of about 17 issues. Some very serious in nature, others not requiring immediate attention. Yesterday an issue with web fonts not loading in Firefox was resolved in the infrastructure. Today around 15:30 UTC, we have deployed fixes for an additional hand full of issues[6]: functionality disabled in IE6, IE8 on Windows XP, selection buttons not working properly in IE7 and hiding the Samyak fonts in the font selector. During our current sprint, we are working on a framework for multi-lingual and localised user documentation as well as feature based feedback functionality for WebFonts, Narayam and Translate. In the future we will also explore what is known as dark launch by some, a kind of hidden live deployment of a feature, only usable be for example manipulating a URL. This would allow us to deploy a feature in a live environment, without having the full deployment impact. Thanks for reading through this. I am looking forward to working with you! Please read on for details on all the issues that were reported on WebFonts recently. Cheers! Siebrand
