Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming)

out if they start doing rubbish and fail to hear the said feedback). -- This is very unclear and unspecific. I would expect others to come up with a specific mechanism for such cases. Svetlana. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] News about stolen Internet credentials; reducing Wikimedia reliance on usernames and passwords

On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, at 21:49, Andre Klapper wrote: On Tue, 2014-08-05 at 22:05 -0700, Pine W wrote: After reading this [1] I am wondering if Wikimedia should start taking steps to reduce reliance on usernames and passwords. What steps do you refer to, or is this intentionally vague?

Re: [Wikitech-l] News about stolen Internet credentials; reducing Wikimedia reliance on usernames and passwords

that. Are there really no browser based public key based solutions? [...] -Martijn certfp authentication ? ex. https://freenode.net/certfp/certfp-chatzilla.shtml svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Fine-tuning the Architecture RfC process

On Fri, 8 Aug 2014, at 22:14, Legoktm wrote: Just use Bugzilla, most RfCs are already using it to track issues anyways. -- Legoktm +1 I find some folks use Trello. I can't even darned add a comment there. Svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

[Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

On Fri, 8 Aug 2014, at 11:47, MZMcBride wrote: [...] For comparison, we now have MediaViewer, which moved through as a beta feature. They say MediaViewer may one day be as feature-ful as the file description pages we've had for a long time (editing capability, oh my!). [...] MZMcBride

[Wikitech-l] ignore feature for mediawiki?

, documentation, or discussions. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

utter and complete rubbish as it excludes the community and leaves all development within corporate hands; All against free software philosophy and/or community involvement programming should be a hobby, like editing articles svetlana On Sat, 9 Aug 2014, at 23:27, Gilles Dubuc wrote

Re: [Wikitech-l] slow death of anyone can edit concept (was: [Wikimedia-l] let's elect people to serve on the wikimedia engineering community team! (brainstorming))

progress bar at the right top and such unreadable light-shade text while it loads VE is also dog slow also having edit by default means a lot of people would save rubbish edits a LOT LOT more people with not assuming bad faith, i objectively see vast potential for accidental editing here svetlana

Re: [Wikitech-l] Engineers in residence

not make a difference to a big linux distro run by a corporation (or using one as an upstream) which is why I'm not very supportive of any plans that involve more employees at WMF Engineering either I hope this way to put it is slightly more clear than it was before svetlana

[Wikitech-l] more thoughts on project types; what is reusable?

Engineering? In other words: - What reusable things come out of each Wikimedia Engineering project? - Where can I find out about them easily without asking you to find them for me by hand? svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

: In the long run, we will want to apply a code review process to these changes as with any other deployed code I hope such things will not need to go through the WMF. Or is that what you'd like? svetlana. ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Translators-l] Thank you for Tech News see you soon

On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 04:07, Tomasz W. Kozłowski wrote: Philippe, the patch is not for the MediaWiki software but for the configuration of Wikimedia wikis (it's in the operations/mediawiki-config repository on Gerrit). It has been merged and deployed on the production cluster. The user

Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 19:20, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Code review should be a strictly technical process surely. However the community CANNOT decide on everything. The WMF has one codebase for MediaWiki and it explicitly defines with long lead times the things it is working on. It does

Re: [Wikitech-l] IRC web client for Wikipedia help

On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 15:17, Pine W wrote: Following up on a conversation on the gendergap email list, I am discussing with Freenode the possibility of changing the default web client to one that is friendlier and has a less technical feel, primarily for the benefit of new users who access

Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

On Mon, 11 Aug 2014, at 19:56, Ricordisamoa wrote: Why aren't they implementing a global repository for gadgets, modules, templates which is (IMHO) what the community needs first? THANK YOU! you are, alone, worth a whole engineering team ___

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia

working on documenting what on earth you're doing exactly, in public it should be the base of the entire team are you doing planning in your head? design? ;) definitely not put it onto a public wiki, collaborate out in the open svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] Superprotect user right, Comming to a wiki near you

Il 11/08/2014 12:27, James Forrester ha scritto: On 11 August 2014 10:56, Ricordisamoa ricordisa...@openmailbox.org wrote: Why aren't they implementing a global repository for gadgets, modules, templates which is (IMHO) what the community needs first? We are. ​SUL finalisation (which is

Re: [Wikitech-l] ignore feature for mediawiki?

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 15:58, svetlana wrote: On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 07:44, Sumana Harihareswara wrote: Frances makes a good point, and now I'm thinking about the different scenarios we're talking about. There are two big ones: 1) A has a policy or editing dispute with B and they just

Re: [Wikitech-l] ignore feature for mediawiki?

On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 02:01, Brandon Harris wrote: The problem lies with the whole revert/communicate, or warn/communicate problem. We have no way for administrators/sysops to mark comments in discussions as being in my role as administrator, and people who are ignoring said

[Wikitech-l] Getting new category members by mail (was: Re: [Wikimedia-l] Options for the German Wikipedia)

edit by email, outside of web browser, but that's a bit complicated and I can't think of /how/ to do it, yet.) svetlana On Tue, 12 Aug 2014, at 17:44, Dan Garry wrote: On 12 August 2014 02:39, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: There needs to be a central place, like the Wikimedia blog

Re: [Wikitech-l] Future platforms, devices, and consumers

? and then also outside of http protocol ? svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

a website which is so good that an 'app' is redundant. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

does. Oh, the waste of effort. I truly pledge you to work together to make a website which is so good that an 'app' is redundant. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] extra docs in beta gadgets tab (was: superprotect; was: 'everyone who tries to speak for 'community' is censored and trying to blame it for own lack of interest')

manually so that it includes a link to [[:mw:Gadget kitchen]] ?? ... structurise the gadgets place for it to become more useable as a directory ?? -- svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, at 00:18, Dan Garry wrote: On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: We don't need apps. Read this to find out why you're wrong: http://gigaom.com/2014/08/01/wikipedias-new-apps-are-good-for-you-but-theyre-even-better-for-the-developing-world

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, at 10:04, Dan Garry wrote: On 16 August 2014 00:29, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: We don't need apps. We need mobile websites which work as good as an app does. Oh, the waste of effort. It appears to me like you have issues with this project that go

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app? (was: Future platforms, devices, and consumers)

be a nice task. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] [WikimediaMobile] need for an app?

On Sun, 17 Aug 2014, at 10:54, Daniel Friesen wrote: On 2014-08-16, 4:56 PM, Yuvi Panda wrote: On Sun, Aug 17, 2014 at 12:40 AM, svetlana svetl...@fastmail.com.au wrote: Why not use in-browser offline storage? http://www.html5rocks.com/en/features/storage One of my favorite articles

Re: [Wikitech-l] [Wmfall] Marc Ordinas i Llopis (marcoil) joins Wikimedia as Features Engineer

добро пожаловать svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] User rating for beta features (was Re: Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings)

that integrates well with a bug tracker and eases some routine work. Merging and splitting bugs? Localisation for bugs, anyone? :-) svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] User rating for beta features (was Re: Help in modifying Template:Extension to support user ratings)

feedback. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Disabling JS support in additional browsers

[...] Are there changes affecting only JavaScript, or also CSS? CSS is another beast that needs effort to support in browsers properly. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

[Wikitech-l] planned move to phabricator

options (including staying with bugzilla and what cons it has) and posting an URL to it here? svetlana [1] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project_management_tools/Review [2] https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Project_management_tools/Review ___ Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] planned move to phabricator

of this migration? How can this be done sooner and how can I help? svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] planned move to phabricator

Quim Gil wrote: svetlana wrote: and how can I help? Your help resolving tasks at http://fab.wmflabs.org/project/board/31/ is welcome. Out of curiousity, why is production content hosted on wmflabs? Thought it's a server where folks are just testing new stuff. svetlana

Re: [Wikitech-l] planned move to phabricator

- maniphest - diffusion - audit - projects - applications Of these, none are familiar, except 'projects'. I clicked that, and was taken to an empty results page. How do you suggest to proceed with using this tool? svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] planned move to phabricator

svetlana wrote: I failed to figure out how to file a new bug, here. Found it at the right top. It lets me choose a project. Are these hierarchical like in bugzilla (product + component) or not? svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] planned move to phabricator

Chad wrote: svetlana wrote: quiddity wrote: See the navbox, https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Template:Project_management_tools_review The RfC is step 4. Steps 1-3 contain what you're looking for. I read a few bits, and visited fab.wmflabs.org to test it out. The left sidebar

Re: [Wikitech-l] planned move to phabricator

I've attempted to create a new bug, and use comments. Apparently I can't reply to comments (quoting the previous folks).? svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of skins

) to edit how they look and what their layout is? svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] The future of skins

/Category:All_skins . I am in the process of notifying each skin maintainers of this RfC immediately. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

[Wikitech-l] The future of skins: accuracy translation (was: Re: [EE] The future of skins)

to translate it to other languages to get international feedback, but I was told that the RfC may need a review by a pair of critical eyes first. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo

Re: [Wikitech-l] extra docs in beta gadgets tab (was: superprotect; was: 'everyone who tries to speak for 'community' is censored and trying to blame it for own lack of interest')

FWIW i just filed https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70154 (beta features) https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=70155 (gadgets) thanks for mentioning nice things coming in gadgets 3.0 svetlana On Sat, 16 Aug 2014, at 21:36, svetlana wrote: in light of the recent

[Wikitech-l] Watchlist and Echo

ones doesn't - immediately - appear to help usability. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Watchlist and Echo

Hi all. svetlana wrote: Hi all. I've noticed Echo has a separate special page, Special:Notifications. Would we like to rewrite the extension so that it adds entries to the watchlist instead? (And add 'Edits' tab into echo itself - put the watchlist items there). There is a lot

[Wikitech-l] Is simplicity is the key to success of Echo and Watchlist?

is really conceptually merely a new channel where to pipe watchlist items - simplicity is the key to success svetlana -- (original rant attached for reference) Dunno. I'm pissed by Echo. Hundreds of hours of time wasted looking at a reply at a talk page or at an edit someone thanked me for. Which

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is simplicity is the key to success of Echo and Watchlist?

Hi, Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: tl;dr -- Matma Rex I tried for about an hour to summarize a concern. Can you truly not take a couple minutes to /read/ ? svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] Is simplicity is the key to success of Echo and Watchlist?

Ryan Kaldari wrote: svetlana wrote: - the 'notifications' tab lacks a 'watchlist' column so that I can choose where events go (email, echo's nagging, or watchlist passively) The first part of this sentence is true, but like I said, notifications aren't necessarily tied to articles. Also

[Wikitech-l] HTTPS on by default for logged out users: questions

In September 2013, HTTPS was enabled by default for logged in users. To my knowledge, in October 2014, it's planned to also enable it by default for logged out users. I asked some questions here. Please provide me with the missing information.

Re: [Wikitech-l] HTTPS on by default for logged out users: questions

Oops. I was mistaken, having it on by default for unregistered contributors is a decision individual project made. There is no global plans to do so. I still would like to have answers to these questions. On Thu, 18 Sep 2014, at 08:59, svetlana wrote: In September 2013, HTTPS was enabled

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

our users that headache. Dan I would suggest to ask on a village pump and alter the configuration per local consencus. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor relay, and freenode

Thought WMF already hosts one for freenode. There is only one TOR hidden service. On Mon, 10 Nov 2014, at 20:28, Pine W wrote: Thanks for the note. Would it be within our mission scope to host a Freenode server? We use Freenode a *lot* for public and private communications. There have been

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tor relay, and freenode

will try to honour your preference. That said, we can make a CNAME from freenode.Wikimedia.org to dickson.freenode.net if desired. svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] changing edit summaries

On Thu, 13 Nov 2014, at 23:15, Amir E. Aharoni wrote: In Facebook it's possible to edit posts and comments after posting after a lot of users asked for it. Why isn't it possible to change MediaWiki edit summaries after posting? It is a very rare case compared to, say, how the diff viewer

[Wikitech-l] searching across all languages

What URL can I use to search across all languages of Wikipedia (or a sister project)? Would like to add it as a search engine so that I don't have to constantly switch between 2-3 language different search engines in the list. ___ Wikitech-l mailing

Re: [Wikitech-l] searching across all languages

, November 16, 2014, svetlana wrote: What URL can I use to search across all languages of Wikipedia (or a sister project)? Would like to add it as a search engine so that I don't have to constantly switch between 2-3 language different search engines in the list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

Doesn't edit conflict show your content at the bottom of the edit conflict page? A bit unintuitive, but should be there. On Mon, 17 Nov 2014, at 09:07, Pine W wrote: I have just lost *two hours* of work due to an edit conflict. I thought using my browser's back button would fix it, but the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

: Svetlana: having accidentally tested this feature again, yes. I was looking in the wrong place for my text, and I copied the wrong portion of text in my haste to save it. The text is now permanently gone. Judging by the number of times that I hear about edit conflicts, I have plenty of company

Re: [Wikitech-l] Identifying potential cross-language contributions

How can we get it into the beta features tab -- at ALL sister projects (except commons etc where translating stuff is complex, it is all showed into one page atm, they did not switch to the subpages thing like Meta does, yet) -- please? Have a couple non-Wikipedias in mind where I'd use it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Feature request.

manager, such as the popular windows platform). -- Svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] RFC meeting wikignoming (Re: RFC meeting this week)

https://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/wikitech-l/2014-November/079285.html The meeting will be on the IRC channel #wikimedia-office on irc.freenode.org [...] On Fri, 21 Nov 2014, at 09:53, John wrote: What channel are the meetings held in? On Thursday, November 20, 2014, MZMcBride

Re: [Wikitech-l] changing edit summaries

- I think this ML top-posts. Not sure. - Suspect that the Flow extension would allow for more flexibility, including attaching multiple discussion threads to a specific edit or paragraph. -- svetlana On Sun, 23 Nov 2014, at 19:25, Anthony Cole wrote: (Sorry, I posted this in the wrong thread

Re: [Wikitech-l] Tech Talk: What's New with MediaWiki-Vagrant?: Simple Use Cases and Beyond: November 25

a more free licence. Would like to upload it to Commons after the talk ends (and stick to the MW-V page as a video tutorial). https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Licensing -- svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator migration part II: Replacing gitblit with Diffusion

Hi, On Thu, 27 Nov 2014, at 02:26, Brad Jorsch (Anomie) wrote: [...] If we can't -2 the whole idea of required callsigns, Why can't we? -- svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman

Re: [Wikitech-l] Phabricator outage due to network issues, 11/29

. Happy Thanksgiving to all, of course... -- svetlana On Sun, 30 Nov 2014, at 20:13, Gerard Meijssen wrote: Hoi, Right ? so it is thanksgiving et al.. Be thankful that it is seen, It is not Wikipedia or any of the projects...so relax.. eat some left over turkey.. Thanks, GerardM On 30

[Wikitech-l] search engine integration of wikimedia projects

I'm calling for developers for this idea: https://duck.co/ideas/idea/4655/wikimedia-projects-integration Polyglots- Please vote for this idea and spread it at your local wiki, and also call for developers. -- svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

and see what happens? Shoulw we go to a wiki and see if we can gain local consensus on such move? Which wiki would be better, a bigger one or a smaller one, for a start? -- svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

. -- svetlana On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 10:14, David Gerard wrote: On 3 December 2014 at 23:08, Ryan Kaldari rkald...@wikimedia.org wrote: Surely we can come up with a creative idea that is: * Easy for humans to solve * Can't be solved by out-of-the-box captcha breakers * Isn't trivial

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

Hi, On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 15:02, MZMcBride wrote: svetlana wrote: I like how my message to try abandoning captcha entirely came up with a myriad of complaints how we can be smart, enable new captcha which is unique, etc. Let's measure the impact. We disabled the CAPTCHA entirely

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

to implement your suggestion without piping all logged out contributors into the mice pile. This is unacceptable. -- svetlana On Thu, 4 Dec 2014, at 15:35, Robert Rohde wrote: We have many smart people, and undoubtedly we could design a better captcha. However, no matter how smart the mousetrap

Re: [Wikitech-l] Our CAPTCHA is very unfriendly

. -- svetlana ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

Re: [Wikitech-l] Wikimedia tool framework (php)

September 2014 (UTC) - I believe Wikibase (Wikidata) is meant to make database operations easier. I have no idea what database toolkits they provide (you may want to check with wikidata-l). -- svetlana Petr Bena benap...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, It's been some time since we launched tool labs