Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread John Erling Blad
What frustrates me the most are - bugs found by the editor community, that has obvious simple fixes, which isn't acted upon for several years - new features that isn't fully tested, and you have to answer in the community about stuff you rather want to throw out - new features and changes that

[Wikitech-l] New Gerrit privilege policy

2019-03-12 Thread Tim Starling
Following approval by TechCom and WMF Interim CTO Erika Bjune, I've moved the new Gerrit privilege policy page out of my userspace to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Privilege_policy This is a merge of two pages: [[Gerrit/+2]] and [[Gerrit/Project ownership]], with some additional changes.

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread John Erling Blad
Without the editors there would be no content, and thus no readers, and without readers there would be no use for the software provided. So is the actual users subsidizing the software? Definitely yes! The content is the primary reason why we have readers. The software is just a tool to provide

Re: [Wikitech-l] Community-Engineering gaps as defined in configuration

2019-03-12 Thread James Forrester
On Sat, 9 Mar 2019 at 11:50, bawolff wrote: > In regards to wgUseRCPatrol - I suspect (but don't know) that originally > that was disabled on enwiki as a performance thing. If it was a performance > concern, that's probably irrelevant at this point. > Sadly, no. It was enabled as a new feature

[Wikitech-l] Improving reading experience on mobile

2019-03-12 Thread Volker E.
Hi all, in my part of the Design team at Wikimedia Foundation, I'd like to share an upcoming change in typography, that might be of interest for you: Improving reading experience on mobile [0] – As many of our projects are putting textual content first, we are consistently aiming at best possible

Re: [Wikitech-l] ManualLogEntries::publish do not store tags when published to `udp`

2019-03-12 Thread Brad Jorsch (Anomie)
On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 9:48 AM Piotr Miazga wrote: > I noticed that ManualLogEntry items could have tags only when those > entries are published to `rc` or `rcandudp`. Hmm. Yes, it looks like the tags aren't being added in the `udp` case. Looks like it was broken in

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread Pine W
Andre, good points, thanks. I think that this ties in with my comments regarding having a common situational awareness. I don't think that I have good situational awareness regarding the state of the backlog, the composition of the backlog, etc. I'm confident that there is a backlog and that there

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread Stas Malyshev
Hi! > 1. My impression is that there's agreement that there is a huge backlog. Obviously, there is a backlog. As for it being "huge", it's subjective, for someone who has experience with long-running projects, having thousands of issues in the bug tracker is nothing out of the ordinary. Does it

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread Vi to
Regardless of definition-related issues, I concur editors' most shared/fundamental needs deserve being addressed spending some money. Vito Il giorno mar 12 mar 2019 alle ore 11:50 John Erling Blad ha scritto: > Without the editors there would be no content, and thus no readers, > and without

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread Andre Klapper
On Tue, 2019-03-12 at 20:34 +, Pine W wrote: > > 1. My impression is that there's agreement that there is a huge backlog. Phabricator is public. Anyone can propose and report anything. Hence the number of ideas, bugs, feature requests is usually higher than the number of available developers

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread Bartosz Dziewoński
I get an impression from this thread that the problem is not really the size of the backlog, but rather certain individual tasks that sit in said backlog rather than being worked on, and which according to John are actually major issues. It's hard to disagree or agree with this without

Re: [Wikitech-l] Old tiles.wfmlabs.org maps services need maintainers to keep them alive after december 18th

2019-03-12 Thread Derk-Jan Hartman
Small update on this. Over the past 3 months, I have slowly familiarised myself with the tiles.wmflabs.org and I have now migrated rendering and serving of these tiles to a new server. I still need to do some work on the following things: 1: tile expiration 2: puppet deployment 3: log

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread Pine W
I'm going to make a few points that I think will respond to some comments that I've read, and I will try to organize some of my previous points so that they're easier to follow. 1. My impression is that there's agreement that there is a huge backlog. 2. I think that there's consensus that the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread David Barratt
> > I think that there's consensus that the backlog is a problem. > For whom is the backlog a problem? On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 4:36 PM Pine W wrote: > I'm going to make a few points that I think will respond to some comments > that I've read, and I will try to organize some of my previous

Re: [Wikitech-l] Question to WMF: Backlog on bugs

2019-03-12 Thread John Erling Blad
On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 10:29 PM Bartosz Dziewoński wrote: > > I get an impression from this thread that the problem is not really the > size of the backlog, but rather certain individual tasks that sit in > said backlog rather than being worked on, and which according to John > are actually

Re: [Wikitech-l] New Gerrit privilege policy

2019-03-12 Thread Physikerwelt
On Wed, Mar 13, 2019 at 5:25 AM Tim Starling wrote: > > Following approval by TechCom and WMF Interim CTO Erika Bjune, I've > moved the new Gerrit privilege policy page out of my userspace to > > https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Gerrit/Privilege_policy > > This is a merge of two pages: