Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

Are we running same firefox? I have same experience like you, but with Chrome. Firefox is best performing and rock solid compared to anything else to me and I run it on all my computers including virtual boxes, with ~100 tabs I achieved months of uptime with no crash. Can't say this about chrome

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Joaquin Oltra Hernandez wrote: > I think that people using old browsers on desktop, are most surely doing it > because they have to (company policy on locked down computers) and showing > them a banner or similar is only going to detract

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On Wed, Sep 6, 2017 at 2:31 AM Antoine Musso wrote: > On 05/09/2017 17:47, Chad wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:28 AM Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < > > jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > > > >> I think that people using old browsers on desktop, are most surely > doing it > >>

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On 05/09/2017 17:47, Chad wrote: On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:28 AM Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote: I think that people using old browsers on desktop, are most surely doing it because they have to (company policy on locked down computers) and showing them a banner or

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

Just to throw in some other datasets to look at: The US .gov publishes all browser/traffic information in csv/json [1]. The gov.uk publishes similar data [2]. I realize this is centered mainly on people who live in those countries, but it may be helpful to look at other large traffic-getting

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

On Tue, Sep 5, 2017 at 2:28 AM Joaquin Oltra Hernandez < jhernan...@wikimedia.org> wrote: > I think that people using old browsers on desktop, are most surely doing it > because they have to (company policy on locked down computers) and showing > them a banner or similar is only going to detract

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I think that people using old browsers on desktop, are most surely doing it because they have to (company policy on locked down computers) and showing them a banner or similar is only going to detract from their experience with information they don't neither want nor need. In mobile the situation

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 6:13 PM, Bryan Davis wrote: > In my personal past experience, > Firefox crashes were almost always correlated with buggy user > installed, community developed extensions. > Which are going to be axed in the next release and replaced with a Chrome-like

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2017-09-05 2:08 GMT+02:00 Risker : > Firefox has decided to take a path that is actively awful. > Which is? ___ Wikitech-l mailing list Wikitech-l@lists.wikimedia.org https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/wikitech-l

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On Mon, Sep 4, 2017 at 6:08 PM, Risker wrote: > Gonna be honest...after using Firefox almost exclusively for the last 10 > years whenever I had a choice, I'm ready to give up on it. I don't expect > all the bells and whistles (and privacy compromises) of the big commercial >

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Gonna be honest...after using Firefox almost exclusively for the last 10 years whenever I had a choice, I'm ready to give up on it. I don't expect all the bells and whistles (and privacy compromises) of the big commercial browsers, but Firefox has decided to take a path that is actively awful.

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Hi! > After Firefox and Chromium, there's a bunch of open source web browsers > listed on [2], but a brief spot check showed many as being Linux only > (or outdated Mac builds). One that looked promising was Brave[3], though > it's a relatively new browser and I would need to do more research >

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Hi, On 09/01/2017 07:06 PM, Chad wrote: > (3) I would *really* like to have 2--maybe 3--browsers to list. There's > zero reason to make users think there's only one option when there's a > couple of valid ones. I think Neil hit my goals on the head, and ideally there would be multiple browsers

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On Sat, 02 Sep 2017 02:06:09 +, Chad wrote, (3) I would*really* like to have 2--maybe 3--browsers to list. There's zero reason to make users think there's only one option when there's a couple of valid ones. I would love that too. Imagine that we do take the

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 3:57 PM Neil Patel Quinn wrote: > I understand the desire to avoid playing favorites by directing users to a > list of browsers rather than a single one, but I think that cuts against > *both > *the goals of doing this in the first place. > > The

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I personally use firefox on desktop and safari on my mobile (im lazy to install an web browser on mobile lol) but I don't think we should make users feel like we're pushing them towards a certain browser because someone(s) agree the browser is recommended. While yes people may see the list and

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I understand the desire to avoid playing favorites by directing users to a list of browsers rather than a single one, but I think that cuts against *both *the goals of doing this in the first place. The first goal is to nudge users to upgrade from an insecure, less-capable browser to a modern

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Why dont we link to an list of web browsers compatible with wmf projects and let the user decide Sent from my iPhone > On Sep 1, 2017, at 12:09 PM, Chad wrote: > > On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:55 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) > wrote: > >> At least until

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

On Fri, Sep 1, 2017 at 6:55 AM Federico Leva (Nemo) wrote: > At least until a proper resource exists, just directing people to the > latest Firefox is probably the most reasonable option (we certainly > can't support the incumbent). > > Is linking to Firefox and Chromium an

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-1 to linking any resource which is not itself free software, translatable with free software and managed by a privacy-compliant org. Positive example of what I mean: https://pdfreaders.org/ . At least until a proper resource exists, just directing people to the latest Firefox is probably the

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On 1 September 2017 at 01:58, Gergo Tisza wrote: > > We could send them to something like https://whatbrowser.org/ or > https://browsehappy.com/ whatbrowser.org is definitely a nice experience, but it does require JS to work; it fails to load both your current browser and

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On 01/09/2017 01:58, Gergo Tisza wrote: On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:37 PM, bawolff wrote: I'm concerned this would be seen as an inapropriate bias. We could send them to something like https://whatbrowser.org/ or https://browsehappy.com/ Motivating users to update their

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The recent update of Firefox has made it worse, it basically kills most of the extensions, deletes your browser bookmark cache and make nearly all legacy addons useless, so yeah no, unless Firefox stop making things worse, they should not be the alternative, most would rather stick with Google

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Hi, On 08/31/2017 02:20 PM, Fæ wrote: > +1 on appearing to be a slippery slope and benefiting from wider, > political, discussion. Just to clarify, I fully plan on turning this into a wider discussion on Meta or alternative venue if/when pursuing this further. I was just trying to use wikitech-l

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On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:37 PM, bawolff wrote: > I'm concerned this would be seen as an inapropriate bias. > We could send them to something like https://whatbrowser.org/ or https://browsehappy.com/ Motivating users to update their outdated browsers would definitely be a

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Hi, On 08/31/2017 01:51 PM, Max Semenik wrote: > +1 to that. Additionally, the proposed method wouldn't even work because we > blacklist crappy browsers from receiving JS. This isn't strictly true, we give legacy browsers some JS to make new HTML5 elements work using html5shiv[1]. And I think

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There's a pile of minor open source browsers too ... maybe redirect to a page with a list. - d. On 31 August 2017 at 22:48, Neil Patel Quinn wrote: > Personally (because I have no expertise in thing kind of thing in my WMF > capacity), I'd very much support this. It

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Personally (because I have no expertise in thing kind of thing in my WMF capacity), I'd very much support this. It *would *be showing a bias towards Mozilla and Firefox, but I think it's entirely reasonable for us to be biased towards non-profit, open technology. A web with Firefox as a strong

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

On 31 August 2017 at 21:37, bawolff wrote: > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Legoktm wrote: >> Hello, >> >> This was something that came up during "The Big Open" at Wikimania, when >> Katherine Maher talked with Ryan Merkley (CEO of Creative

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The best way we can invest in Firefox is via open web technology such as push notifications imo. On Thu, 31 Aug 2017 at 16:51 Max Semenik wrote: > +1 to that. Additionally, the proposed method wouldn't even work because we > blacklist crappy browsers from receiving JS. >

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+1 to that. Additionally, the proposed method wouldn't even work because we blacklist crappy browsers from receiving JS. On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 1:37 PM, bawolff wrote: > On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Legoktm > wrote: > > Hello, > > > >

Re: [Wikitech-l] Recommending Firefox to users using legacy browsers?

On Thu, Aug 31, 2017 at 8:14 PM, Legoktm wrote: > Hello, > > This was something that came up during "The Big Open" at Wikimania, when > Katherine Maher talked with Ryan Merkley (CEO of Creative Commons) and > Mark Surman (ED of Mozilla Foundation). One of the themes