Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
Which will be a darn shame, as San Francisco is a near perfect city for a Wide Scale PtMP cell type engineered WISP network, based on the layout of the city, and where the high spots are. But I'm sure they'll ruin it with the high power Omni on every corner design. Tom DeReggi RapidDSL

Re: [WISPA] UL WiMAX update

2006-04-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
You bring up an interesting point, comparing to GSM.. The problem is, in a democracy full of special interests, how does one determine fairly what that compatibilty standard should be? One of the Reasons WiMax still is not deployed, while non-standards product are flourishing. Is it better to

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread George
Travis Johnson wrote: You guys are all missing the point. If they contract with the local WISP, they don't get to create new jobs for the muni... instead, they are just helping a local business grow with local tax money. Welcome to politics in the wireless arena. :( Travis Microserv

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread George
Here in Atlanta you can't use 2.4 unless it is indoors. In fact, you have to get out 90+ miles before the noise floor drops off enough to even think about it. -Matt Need I say more. George -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe:

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread George
Chris cooper wrote: The SR9 cards might be interesting for this app... Probably not much help Chris. As you and every wisp who has deployed more than a few AP's in urban density knows, there is not enough spectrum available in all the unlicensed bands combined to service the vast population

Re: [WISPA] Dual Channel Bonded Wireless Internet System - Closer?

2006-04-25 Thread Carl A Jeptha
Two nice options depending on how much you want to do 1. Xincom Dual WAN Router - will load balance, fail save, no firewall. 2. Mikrotik - will do everything the Xincom can do and then some, including firewalling. But you have to learn how to work with it. Every week i find something different

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Carl A Jeptha
What is really funny is that they used Hewlett Packard. Why not Cisco, Alvarion, Tranzeo. These are some of the people who are suppose to know what they are doing. BTW I am a certified HP Computer and printer tech. but still I think they know what they are doing. KICKBACK You have a Good Day

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Bob Moldashel
3500 registered users using a network that costs $400K per year to maintain!!! That's $114 per subscriber! Why not just pay to give them DSL! LOL -- Bob Moldashel Lakeland Communications, Inc. Broadband Deployment Group 1350 Lincoln Avenue Holbrook, New York 11741 USA 800-479-9195 Toll

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
OK. You mentioned some convenient factors regarding Tropos. But what software benefits does it have over other MESH that will allow it to work better than other mesh? Thats what really matters, and I'm not sure that they have a superior software platform. Refering to intelligent routing and

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Peter R.
Bob Moldashel wrote: 3500 registered users using a network that costs $400K per year to maintain!!! That's $114 per subscriber! Why not just pay to give them DSL! LOL You laugh, but there are ISPs with less than 50 broadband customers. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org

RE: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Dustin Jurman
That's 114 a year, it's 9.50 a sub on a monthly rate. DSJ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter R. Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 8:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes Bob Moldashel

Re: [WISPA] UL WiMAX update

2006-04-25 Thread Rich Comroe
The problem is, in a democracy full of special interests, how does one determine fairly what that compatibilty standard should be? You got it. In a democracy full of special interests, who decides? It depends on the charter of who is organizing the standard and who the participants are. The

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread John J. Thomas
-Original Message- From: George [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 09:02 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes John J. Thomas wrote: inline... First off, the WISPs have to have the guts to talk to the city. Many

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread John J. Thomas
Cities don't want home brew, they generally want something that says Cisco on the side. Every city that we ahve recently talked to either has a Cisco Catalyst 6500 at teh core or has written a RFP to buy a switch that directly indicates a Catalyst 6500. Note, I am talking about cities with

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread John J. Thomas
So, in Atlanta, the trees are so dense that a 5 GHz radio putting out 26 dBm into a 7.5 dB omni can't go 2500 feet? John -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 24, 2006 10:53 AM To: 'WISPA General List' Subject: Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Brian Whigham
Bob, It's $9.50 per month per user, after only 50 days of evangelizing. Not even the SBCs of the world are selling it for that. And as soon as grandma Jones and Bob down the street figure out what's going on, they'll sign up, too. So it will only be $4.16/mo. when they hit the 8,000 mark.

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Tom DeReggi
George, I agree with you but... Not all Muni Projects are being designed under that model. Some intent is actually legitimately help the expansion of broadband to those in need, and help the growth of local providers. Our job, whether we signed up for the role or not, is to incourage that

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Brian Whigham
George, Few people care about socialistic programs so long as their pockets are affected in a positive way. Our government is not purely capitalistic, and was never designed to be. Plus, access has become a commodity and a utility. It's no surprise to me that governments try to regulate

Re: [WISPA] Pioneering Wi-Fi City Sees Startup Woes

2006-04-25 Thread Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
The real problem is that it won't be $400k. It'll be at least twice that. It always is. And, I didn't see anywhere that that included upstream connectivity? Here's where this stuff gets sticky. Out here we have a PUD that's put fiber to the home in. They told people that it cost roughly

[WISPA] Leasing IP classes?

2006-04-25 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Hey folks, I was wondering if anyone knew of companies that lease class C's to small ISP's looking for the ablity to announce the leased IP classes as their own As to avoid being locked in to a specific provider. Please let me know If you know of anyone. Best, Jeff Booher -- WISPA Wireless

Re: [WISPA] Leasing IP classes?

2006-04-25 Thread Jeffrey Thomas
Arin isnt an option I don't think because these guys arent multi-homed yet. - Jeff On 4/25/06 9:35 AM, David E. Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, April 25, 2006 11:26 am, Jeffrey Thomas wrote: I was wondering if anyone knew of companies that lease class C's to small ISP's looking

Re: [WISPA] Leasing IP classes?

2006-04-25 Thread David E. Smith
On Tue, April 25, 2006 11:40 am, Jeffrey Thomas wrote: Arin isnt an option I don't think because these guys arent multi-homed yet. And I take it they're not yet big enough to be able to justify a /20 allocation? Yeah, in that case, they'll probably have to live with IP space from their

[WISPA] Service in Elizabethtown/Hodgenville, KY

2006-04-25 Thread Mark Nash
Anyone have service here? I'm traveling to visit family and may have to rig something up to get online while I'm there. Hit me off-list if we can work something out. Thanks. Mark Nash Network Engineer UnwiredOnline.Net 350 Holly Street Junction City, OR 97448 http://www.uwol.net 541-998-

Re: [WISPA] ping

2006-04-25 Thread Brian Rohrbacher
yup, things are working. Brian Rohrbacher wrote: ping my last email came in at 1:52pm...just checking -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/